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Hugh 06-10-2019 13:22
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36012933)

But in the minds of the Remainer MPs, they know that their's is a foil for No Brexit - as well you know.

May's deal was BRINO and unacceptable to everyone in the UK.
Now, you know that’s not true...

OLD BOY 06-10-2019 13:33
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Anyone hoping that the US will come to our rescue post-Brexit, needs to review how badly the US is treating us now.
The US woman involved in a car crash here that killed teenager Harry Dunn recently left the UK claiming diplomatic immunity.
https://news.sky.com/story/family-to...edium=referral
What's that got to do with trade?

Pierre 06-10-2019 13:38
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MPs aren’t trying to stop Brexit, they’re trying to ensure we leave with a deal, which isn’t the same thing.
Stopping “no deal” Brexit, is just Remainer speak for stopping Brexit.

There was a deal on offer that was rejected 3 times, and I would suspect that any deal brought before the house would be rejected, as they don’t want to leave. Unfortunately no deal is the only form of Brexit that will happen, if it happens at all.

OLD BOY 06-10-2019 13:38
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May's deal got the support of the vast vast majority of her party in Parliament. It's only the extreme end of the Brexit wing of the party that didn't vote for it.

Despite being BRINO as you put it, none of these so called remainers supported it.
No, because the remainers wanted things to remain as they are.

I don't think it is 'extremist' to take the view that the NI backstop was unacceptable.

jfman 06-10-2019 13:48
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Stopping “no deal” Brexit, is just Remainer speak for stopping Brexit.

There was a deal on offer that was rejected 3 times, and I would suspect that any deal brought before the house would be rejected, as they don’t want to leave. Unfortunately no deal is the only form of Brexit that will happen, if it happens at all.
It's not remainer speak for stopping Brexit. It's about leaving the EU on our terms, when it suits us, and not arbitrarily leaving the EU without a deal when we are ill prepared to do so.

One option would be to change the arithmetic in Parliament, another to negotiate another deal. All of which would allow more time to prepare for no deal.

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No, because the remainers wanted things to remain as they are.

I don't think it is 'extremist' to take the view that the NI backstop was unacceptable.
It was the extremists who voted against it - the DUP and the ERG. The moderates in the Conservative Party were happy with it.

That's a statement of fact.

OLD BOY 06-10-2019 13:48
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It's not remainer speak for stopping Brexit. It's about leaving the EU on our terms, when it suits us, and not arbitrarily leaving the EU without a deal when we are ill prepared to do so.

One option would be to change the arithmetic in Parliament, another to negotiate another deal. All of which would allow more time to prepare for no deal.
The deadline for leaving will not be extended. I thought you'd heard! :D

jfman 06-10-2019 13:49
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The deadline for leaving will not be extended. I thought you'd heard! :D
That's what they said in March.

OLD BOY 06-10-2019 13:51
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012941)
It's not remainer speak for stopping Brexit. It's about leaving the EU on our terms, when it suits us, and not arbitrarily leaving the EU without a deal when we are ill prepared to do so.

One option would be to change the arithmetic in Parliament, another to negotiate another deal. All of which would allow more time to prepare for no deal.

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It was the extremists who voted against it - the DUP and the ERG. The moderates in the Conservative Party were happy with it.
Extremists. What a joke! You could call Corbynistas extremists because they are communist. The direct opposite of communism is fascism, and neither the ERG nor DUP are fascist.

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That's what they said in March.
That's what May said, not Johnson.

jfman 06-10-2019 13:54
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Extremists. What a joke! You could call Corbynistas extremists because they are communist. The direct opposite of communism is fascism, and neither the ERG nor DUP are fascist.[COLOR="Silver"]
You are conflating multiple issues here that are irrelevant. The ERG have an extreme view of what Brexit should look like. An element of the bigots in the DUP believe the dinosaurs were put in the Earth to challenge our faith that the world was created just a few thousand years ago.

If that's not extreme I don't know what is.

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That's what May said, not Johnson.
Have you missed the papers lodged in the Scottish courts?

1andrew1 06-10-2019 13:59
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Have you missed the papers lodged in the Scottish courts?
Pretty hard to avoid, one would have thought.

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That's what May said, not Johnson.
So, are you saying that BoJo is more honest than May?

Hugh 06-10-2019 14:07
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Not at all shame on me. Shame on the MPs trying to stop Brexit. As to that anti-semite Corbyn .....
Well, they haven't committed unlawful acts, and threatened to break the law, so, no...

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The deadline for leaving will not be extended. I thought you'd heard! :D
There's what he says, and then there's what he submits to a court of law (handy hint, only one is legally binding...).

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Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU asking for a Brexit delay if no deal is agreed by 19 October, according to government papers submitted to a Scottish court.
You can't believe everything you hear... ;)

denphone 06-10-2019 14:11
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That's what they said in March.
He seems to conveniently forgotten about that episode.

Pierre 06-10-2019 14:21
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One option would be to change the arithmetic in Parliament,
That is the only way it will happen. A majority Tory Government all with the whip.

There is no other way.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012952)
Well, they haven't committed unlawful acts, and threatened to break the law, so, no...
They just ignored it or changed it. The law said we would leave in March. The law also says we will leave in October, or at least it did until they amended it.

OLD BOY 06-10-2019 15:00
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012948)
You are conflating multiple issues here that are irrelevant. The ERG have an extreme view of what Brexit should look like. An element of the bigots in the DUP believe the dinosaurs were put in the Earth to challenge our faith that the world was created just a few thousand years ago.

If that's not extreme I don't know what is.



Have you missed the papers lodged in the Scottish courts?
It is not extreme to believe that Britain should leave the EU and negotiate a trade deal instead. That is basically what Brexiteers voted for. You are the one raising different issues. I'm just responding to them.

Maggy 06-10-2019 15:05
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I just don't care anymore..I'm sick of the whole boiling bunch in the HoC..


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