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Osem	31-03-2017 12:10

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892635)

Jean-Claude Juncker threatens to campaign for Ohio's independence in revenge for Donald Trump backing Brexit

Ya gotta smile :D

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7659471.html

Blimey the EU's got its sights set on the US now. :D

1andrew1

31-03-2017 12:18

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892635)

Jean-Claude Juncker threatens to campaign for Ohio's independence in revenge for Donald Trump backing Brexit

Ya gotta smile :D

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7659471.html

lol:D

Hugh	31-03-2017 13:10

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35892600)

Possibly interesting, wonder why you'd want immunity if you hadn't done anything wrong. Perhaps he's an attention seeker or they're just making things up again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...probe-WSJ.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39451358

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President Donald Trump's ex-national security adviser, Michael Flynn, wants immunity to testify on alleged Russian election meddling, his lawyer says.

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At last summer's Republican party convention, Mr Flynn led chants of "lock her up" aimed at Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server.

In September, he said in a TV interview that it was unacceptable that some of the Democratic candidate's aides had been granted immunity from prosecution.

"When you get given immunity that means you've probably committed a crime," he told NBC News.

martyh

31-03-2017 17:44

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35892647)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39451358

We need a hypocrite crusher...........

Mick	31-03-2017 18:01

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892676)

We need a hypocrite crusher...........

He's not a member of this forum so unable to provide such a service. :dozey:

Key differences, Michael Flynn is asking for immunity, for which noone knows why, where as Democratic Aides were given it where they could have possibly obstructed the course of justice by 'hard deleting' thousands of Hillary Clinton's emails off her private server.

passingbat

31-03-2017 18:12

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892676)

We need a hypocrite crusher...........

Actually, we need to wait until everything comes out on the, Russia-collusion/surveillance/unmasking investigations before making any judgements either way. There is a big can of worms to open. At this point, they could crawl in any direction.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892681)

He's not a member of this forum so unable to provide such a service. :dozey:

Key differences, Michael Flynn is asking for immunity, for which noone knows why, .

From that BBC article

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Michael Flynn may have a "story to tell", but what it is at this point is anybody's guess.
Donald Trump's critics will probably imagine grand revelations of possible campaign contacts with Russian operatives or even the "c" word - collusion. Beyond the news reports of ongoing conversations between Flynn's lawyer and federal investigators, however, there is no firm ground for such speculation.
It's entirely possible the immunity request is nothing more than the former senior Trump adviser attempting to insulate himself from legal trouble if he were to answer detailed questions about his foreign contacts and lobbying efforts. For instance, if he actively represented overseas interests, he may have run afoul of federal disclosure rules.
There's also the chance that Flynn could be uneasy about what he told FBI agents in January, when they asked about his conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
Either of those possibilities would be of great concern to Flynn, who has a six-figure military pension to preserve, but it wouldn't be the kind of political bombshell that would directly threaten Mr Trump or his administration.

Arthurgray50@blu

31-03-2017 23:49

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I bet that Trump is finished by the end of this year. Trump is a very clever man. Most of his family now work at the White House

I bet that Trump had dealings with the Russians to topple Clinton.

This is why he kept saying watch this space.

Stuart

01-04-2017 00:38

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35891783)

Oh isn't it very fitting now to say this. But when it comes to issuing executive orders, we've had comments from the likes of you and others saying he is not a dictator blah blah. Completely and utterly laughable. :rolleyes:

Trump is supposed to be a good deal maker. He clearly failed in this instance.

Also, a decent leader should be able to bring most of his party round to his way of thinking without having to order or dictate to them.

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On thing is for sure. Whether you like Trump, or not. Whether you believe his administration has committed dubious acts or not, these are interesting times..

Mick	01-04-2017 01:04

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Oh I don't doubt that for one minute Stuart.

adzii_nufc

01-04-2017 01:32

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It's amusing how many people still believe Trump is going to be impeached. The entire media circus is an absolute sham. It'd take at least two years if it even got that far. Can anyone actually see a Republican house doing so? :erm:

It's a lopsided story continuously pushed despite having no evidence at all to provide to it's case and backed by the still sore public that didn't get their own way.

But there's more, a complete failure to report that the unmasking of General Flynn and the leaks coming are going to see quite a few people from the Obama Administration end up in front of a judge and likely imprisoned. Nine sources have been traced and they all face a fine of $100,000 and 10 years in prison. So where in the current media are reports that senior Obama administration officials are committing a federal offence and leaking classified documents? You don't, the anti-trump side of the public that are so high and mighty when it comes to breaking laws and wanting folks impeached and removed have nothing at all to say, it doesn't fit the lopsided anti-trump agenda. It's perfectly fine to break laws to remove the guy you don't like...Brilliant. It's getting very tedious. I'd rather see it all right down the middle than have to deal with this bias crap each and every day.

So like above, interesting times ahead but there's going to be further disappointment for anyone still living the dream that Trump has weeks at best.

Trump will back Flynn for immunity leading me to speculate it's so he can give information without incriminating himself for an unrelated crime.
The second scenario is essentially a game breaking move, deliberately incriminating himself in everything, removing The Donald from the picture by saying he essentially had no idea what his aides were doing and receiving a juicy pardon for his troubles. Trump's public backing of him getting immunity leads me to wonder if there's a bigger game being played here.

nomadking

01-04-2017 01:56

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I'm forever puzzled as to what this massive Russian interference is meant to have been. Even if they did the hacking, then there was no guarantee that the hacking attempt would work, and no guarantee that they would find anything that might make a difference.

RizzyKing

01-04-2017 05:02

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Meanwhile trumps core support strengthens as he is perceived as the victim of an orchestrated campaign and there's more then a little truth to that. Of course the biggest problem is if they did manage to oust him in weeks they would then be facing another election this time against a far more capable republican candidate. Trouble for the democrats is outside of their traditional power bases ordinary americans are fed up of the liberal globalist agenda and are ready to express that with their vote and even some of the democrats that I've known for a longtime are no longer as convinced as they used to be.

Hugh	01-04-2017 08:43

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35892721)

Perhaps this will help, from a (US) Conservative publication.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ersy-explained

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First, and most importantly, did Russia actually “hack” the 2016 presidential election?

No, and the use of that term to describe what Russia did needs to stop. The Russians hacked a few computers, but they did not “hack” an election. The media’s persistent insinuations otherwise are leading millions of Americans to believe that the Russians actually meddled with the election process itself, including with voting machines. There is zero evidence that occurred. None. Zilch. Nada.

Well, if the Russians didn’t “hack” the election, what did they do?

They sowed confusion and chaos, and there’s strong evidence (according to multiple intelligence agencies) that they ultimately sought to help Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton. Their most infamous move was the theft of e-mails from the Democratic National Committee, which were likely passed to WikiLeaks before becoming the basis of a slow drip of damaging information about Clinton and the Democratic party released into the news cycle. At the same time, Russia was allegedly using “trolls” and “bots” to impact the news cycle by creating artificial “surges” of commentary online. They also used propaganda outlets such as RT to try to affect the national debate, and intentionally tried to plant certain ideas and themes into the American electorate’s consciousness, including the notion that the election was “rigged” against Trump (a theme Trump himself picked up).

nomadking

01-04-2017 10:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35892735)

Perhaps this will help, from a (US) Conservative publication.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ersy-explained

So nothing specific, apart from an alleged single hack.

Anyway.....

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Comey later added that "there was evidence of hacking directed at state-level organizations, state-level campaigns, and the RNC, but old domains of the RNC, meaning old emails they weren't using. None of that was released."Comey said there was no sign "that the Trump campaign or the current RNC was successfully hacked."
Asked by Sen. Mark Warner, a Virginia Democrat, whether the hacker had the ability to selectively leak that old information, Comey indicated that they did.
Comey also said that the Russians "got far deeper and wider into the (Democratic National Committee) than the RNC," adding that "similar techniques were used in both cases."

Attempts were made to hack both sides, but only one side was stupid enough to be successful. So who was hacking the Republican side? The Democrats?

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Russia hacked the election to "denigrate" Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and contrast her unfavorably to Republican Donald Trump.

That would only work if there was something to be found. If there was, that was down to Hillary and the Democrats and NOBODY ELSE.

Mick	01-04-2017 10:36

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35892741)

That would only work if there was something to be found. If there was, that was down to Hillary and the Democrats and NOBODY ELSE.

Trump needed no help from anybody win him the Election. Hillary was a totally bad choice, and when it comes to the Democrats, they were no angels, just look at Hillary getting the questions prior to the TV debates during the Primaries, to give her an advantage over Bernie Sanders and she got them in collusion with a TV network.

Bottom line is, a lot of Americans had decided way before any campaigning that they did not want another 8 years of dull Obama and they would have got that with her.

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