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muppetman11 17-01-2017 16:09
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35880999)
Well they said that 10 years ago but sadly that did not hold much substance then and l doubt whether it holds any substance now.
I'm truly astonished by that , you truthfully think it can continue to climb at the levels it has ?

alwaysabear 17-01-2017 16:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35880991)
Some speculation here that the price paid for sports rights may be reaching its peak.

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...-sports-costs/
You cannot disregard what he is saying. IMO the bubble has burst or is very close to doing so.
From what I have read BT are going to have to do something pretty radical to get people to watch Champions league the figures have been dier. UEFA took the money and sacrificed the product, I cannot see them making the same mistake twice.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35880999)
Well they said that 10 years ago but sadly that did not hold much substance then and l doubt whether it holds any substance now.
Really Den have you thought that comment through, despite all the evidence. Massive sky discounts on sky sports,etc.

muppetman11 17-01-2017 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35881008)
You cannot disregard what he is saying. IMO the bubble has burst or is very close to doing so.
From what I have read BT are going to have to do something pretty radical to get people to watch Champions league the figures have been dier. UEFA took the money and sacrificed the product, I cannot see them making the same mistake twice.
Since leaving BT I kid you not they have rang me at least 4 times trying to offer me new deals each time I've politely declined. The football costs are way over the top and are now pushing the pay TV costs up for all in my opinion.

Have a read of this , this illustrates the increase in Sky's costs but the same goes for all providers with there constant hikes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/sky-tv...double-9594785

alwaysabear 17-01-2017 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881011)
Since leaving BT I kid you not they have rang me at least 4 times trying to offer me new deals each time I've politely declined. The football costs are way over the top and are now pushing the pay TV costs up for all in my opinion.

Have a read of this , this illustrates the increase in Sky's costs but the same goes for all providers with there constant hikes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/sky-tv...double-9594785
I think I have said before but my costs for VM are lower now than 5 years ago. The cost reduction is coming from my Sky Spts sub as each time I have phoned up there always seems a deal.

muppetman11 17-01-2017 16:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35881014)
I think I have said before but my costs for VM are lower now than 5 years ago. The cost reduction is coming from my Sky Spts sub.
Because these days less and less people are prepared to pay full price , perfectly proves my point.

alwaysabear 17-01-2017 16:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881015)
Because these days less and less people are prepared to pay full price , perfectly proves my point.
Absolutely!

denphone 17-01-2017 16:43
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881007)
I'm truly astonished by that , you truthfully think it can continue to climb at the levels it has ?
Any proof that they won't MM?.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35881008)
You cannot disregard what he is saying. IMO the bubble has burst or is very close to doing so.
From what I have read BT are going to have to do something pretty radical to get people to watch Champions league the figures have been dier. UEFA took the money and sacrificed the product, I cannot see them making the same mistake twice.

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Really Den have you thought that comment through, despite all the evidence. Massive sky discounts on sky sports,etc.
Discounts on Sky don't necessarily mean that Sports rights are suddenly going to come down as have you seen any proof of that AB?.

muppetman11 17-01-2017 16:50
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We have provided many links and reasons why we believe the sharp increases we've seen over the last few football rights won't continue please enlighten us to why you believe it will.

(I should point out I'm saying we won't see the huge increases going forward not we won't see any.)

alwaysabear 17-01-2017 17:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881018)
Any proof that they won't MM?.

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Discounts on Sky don't necessarily mean that Sports rights are suddenly going to come down as have you seen any proof of that AB?.
But what it does prove is that customers are not prepared to pay the full amount of subscribing to Sky Sports. I doubt Sky will wish to underwrite this for the next EPL deal.
If they do that's fine as I will not be paying full price.

denphone 17-01-2017 17:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881021)
We have provided many links and reasons why we believe the sharp increases we've seen over the last few football rights won't continue please enlighten us to why you believe it will.

(I should point out I'm saying we won't see the huge increases going forward not we won't see any.)
l stated that there is no chance of sports rights staying the same or going down but l still think they will continue to rise but not as much as we have seen.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35881025)
But what it does prove is that customers are not prepared to pay the full amount of subscribing to Sky Sports. I doubt Sky will wish to underwrite this for the next EPL deal.
If they do that's fine as I will not be paying full price.
You forget Sky and BT are bitter enemies in the marketplace and their main aim is to win customers from each other and if that means not being outbid for important sports rights and one is not going to see any one of them suddenly roll over and let the other one take important sports rights unless you think otherwise AB?.

alwaysabear 17-01-2017 19:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881026)
l stated that there is no chance of sports rights staying the same or going down but l still think they will continue to rise but not as much as we have seen.

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You forget Sky and BT are bitter enemies in the marketplace and their main aim is to win customers from each other and if that means not being outbid for important sports rights and one is not going to see any one of them suddenly roll over and let the other one take important sports rights unless you think otherwise AB?.
That's fine if they want to drive each over a cliff, I just don't see that people will keep paying as we have already shown. It will just become uneconomic for both BT and Sky to pay more than they can recover. Have a look at this https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/art...its-grip-on-tv

telegramsam 19-01-2017 10:12
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The cost of football rights has I believe reached saturation point and more and more people are saying enough is enough and are either staying with paying for sky sports/bt sports because they get a discount like me,or like many of my friends and work colleagues get a dodgy box (not endorsing that route mods).
The trouble is sports rights in general still attract customers and sky and bt are in competition against each other and don`t want to loose out to each other. I don`t know what the answer is.

OLD BOY 19-01-2017 10:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35881225)
The cost of football rights has I believe reached saturation point and more and more people are saying enough is enough and are either staying with paying for sky sports/bt sports because they get a discount like me,or like many of my friends and work colleagues get a dodgy box (not endorsing that route mods).
The trouble is sports rights in general still attract customers and sky and bt are in competition against each other and don`t want to loose out to each other. I don`t know what the answer is.
In the end, Sky and BT will have to accept that there is a limit to what even the most ardent sports fanatics are prepared to pay. Certainly, Sky seem to appreciate this and I think they will pitch their bids lower next time around.

Neither Sky nor BT want to lose their share of the audience for their sports channels, but that desire will be tempered by their ability to make a profit. if the number of subscribers diminishes as a result of the high costs charged, both parties will have to think long and hard about their strategy.

I do think that the number of deals being offered by Sky at present is indicative of their realisation that without them, the number of paying subscribers to Sky Sports will diminish substantially.

The bidding process next time around will be very interesting.

denphone 19-01-2017 10:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35881226)
In the end, Sky and BT will have to accept that there is a limit to what even the most ardent sports fanatics are prepared to pay. Certainly, Sky seem to appreciate this and I think they will pitch their bids lower next time around.

Neither Sky nor BT want to lose their share of the audience for their sports channels, but that desire will be tempered by their ability to make a profit. if the number of subscribers diminishes as a result of the high costs charged, both parties will have to think long and hard about their strategy.

I do think that the number of deals being offered by Sky at present is indicative of their realisation that without them, the number of paying subscribers to Sky Sports will diminish substantially.

The bidding process next time around will be very interesting.
Any proof of that OB?.;)

OLD BOY 19-01-2017 10:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881227)
Any proof of that OB?.;)
No decision has been reported as far as I know, but it is obvious that this cannot go on, Den, as indicated in the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.

People haven't got bottomless pockets. One thing that could happen next time, and this is speculative, is that BT may seek to take advantage of any indication that Sky would pay less to put in a one-off high bid as a loss leader to grab majority sports rights from Sky.

That is not as daft as it seems. Sky are reported to have indicated already that they are not prepared to keep bidding higher for sports rights regardless of the consequences. The only question now is, have we reached that point yet? Let's see what happens...

telegramsam 19-01-2017 10:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35881229)
No decision has been reported as far as I know, but it is obvious that this cannot go on, Den, as indicated in the link I posted on the previous page of this thread.

People haven't got bottomless pockets. One thing that could happen next time, and this is speculative, is that BT may seek to take advantage of any indication that Sky would pay less to put in a one-off high bid as a loss leader to grab majority sports rights from Sky.

That is not as daft as it seems. Sky are reported to have indicated already that they are not prepared to keep bidding higher for sports rights regardless of the consequences. The only question now is, have we reached that point yet? Let's see what happens...
The problem is neither sky nor bt want to loose the premier league rights and will bid whatever they think necessary to keep at least some of them. The danger for both of them is they both bid low and another provider comes in and scoops the lot!

OLD BOY 19-01-2017 10:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35881230)
The problem is neither sky nor bt want to loose the premier league rights and will bid whatever they think necessary to keep at least some of them.
True, but in the end, reality will determine what happens next.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ence-on-sports

denphone 19-01-2017 11:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35881231)
True, but in the end, reality will determine what happens next.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ence-on-sports
And l think you know the reality of bidding for sports TV rights OB.:)

muppetman11 19-01-2017 11:20
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So Dens still asking for evidence despite not presenting one scrap of evidence to counter what people are saying.:banghead::banghead:

OLD BOY 19-01-2017 12:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881234)
And l think you know the reality of bidding for sports TV rights OB.:)
Ah, but past reality may not be future reality, Den. The signs point to a movement of tectonic plates...

denphone 19-01-2017 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881235)
So Dens still asking for evidence despite not presenting one scrap of evidence to counter what people are saying.:banghead::banghead:
l don't need too as the evidence of the last 5 years is clear enough evidence MM but here is ample proof that we are not in the last chance saloon as articulately stated by you and others as others are likely to come into the market to push up sports rights even more unless you think otherwise?.:)

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...s-soar/1402782

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7425496.html

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...g-profits.html

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35881239)
Ah, but past reality may not be future reality, Den. The signs point to a movement of tectonic plates...
Like Linear TV is having the last rites before it goes in its coffin in the museum for dinosaurs...;)

OLD BOY 19-01-2017 13:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881241)
l don't need too as the evidence of the last 5 years is clear enough evidence MM but here is ample proof that we are not in the last chance saloon as articulately stated by you and others as others are likely to come into the market to push up sports rights even more unless you think otherwise?.:)

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...s-soar/1402782

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7425496.html

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...g-profits.html

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Like Linear TV is having the last rites before it goes in its coffin in the museum for dinosaurs...;)
Your own example from The Independent, observed:

'But there are recent signs the UK market is slowing down, with viewing figures 12 per cent lower than last year, increasing the importance of overseas markets. Sky chief executive Jeremy Darroch said the latest rights deal was close to the limit of what broadcasters would pay.'

Your opinion appears to be based purely on past events, and you have been telling me over and over that my view of the future cannot be right because that is not happening now.

However, any successful businessman will tell you that no matter how successful you are, if you are not alert to signs of change and you do not adapt to them quickly, you could be caught out big time.

Sky are already investing more in drama in an effort to future proof themselves from a shift in viewing patterns away from sport.

I think that more people now are prepared to believe my vision of on demand viewing taking over and rendering our linear channels unviable than there were only a year ago, as evidence mounts of increasing numbers watching TV via non conventional methods.

denphone 19-01-2017 13:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35881251)
Your own example from The Independent, observed:

'But there are recent signs the UK market is slowing down, with viewing figures 12 per cent lower than last year, increasing the importance of overseas markets. Sky chief executive Jeremy Darroch said the latest rights deal was close to the limit of what broadcasters would pay.'

Your opinion appears to be based purely on past events, and you have been telling me over and over that my view of the future cannot be right because that is not happening now.

However, any successful businessman will tell you that no matter how successful you are, if you are not alert to signs of change and you do not adapt to them quickly, you could be caught out big time.

Sky are already investing more in drama in an effort to future proof themselves from a shift in viewing patterns away from sport.

I think that more people now are prepared to believe my vision of on demand viewing taking over and rendering our linear channels unviable than there were only a year ago, as evidence mounts of increasing numbers watching TV via non conventional methods.
But what are yours and others predictions based on? as there is utterly no proof in the financial figures of these companies that the golden goose that laid the egg has done a disappearing act as of yet.

muppetman11 19-01-2017 14:53
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Nobody has said that it as however you are looking at profits across the whole business.

With fewer people electing to take Sport and some of those that are receiving lengthy half price discounts where do you think the extra money comes from ?

Presumably higher prices for non Sports fans and customers of other products , with cheap entertainment alternatives can the likes of Sky and BT afford to increase base tv packs much further?

denphone 19-01-2017 15:00
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Whether they can increase them much further remains to be seen as l respect your views MM but we shall see what the future holds in the next few years as you usually are often right.;)

OLD BOY 19-01-2017 16:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881255)
But what are yours and others predictions based on? as there is utterly no proof in the financial figures of these companies that the golden goose that laid the egg has done a disappearing act as of yet.
But where is your proof, Den? Show me yours and I'll show you mine!

Er...

:tiptoe:

denphone 19-01-2017 17:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35881281)
But where is your proof, Den? Show me yours and I'll show you mine!

Er...

:tiptoe:
l concur to your greater knowledge and prescience OB.:)

Chad 19-01-2017 23:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35872369)
SKY to show their second Premiership game on SKY Sports Mix on Saturday the 17th December. Crystal Palace Vs. Chelsea. At this rate SKY are likely to show 5 Premiership games on SKY Sports Mix before the season is out.
SKY to shows their third Premiership game on SKY Sports Mix on Saturday the 11th February. Arsenal v Hull City

denphone 20-01-2017 14:07
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BT to start charging for sports channels from August 2017...

http://www.seenit.co.uk/bt-to-start-...m-august-2017/

Gavin-D 20-01-2017 14:57
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BT Sport will remain free for those on the total Entertainment package and those on the Entertainment Max package

Broadband charges will rise by between 5% and 6% from 2nd April

Line rental will be frozen at £18.99 and TV prices remain unchanged

johnasimmons 22-01-2017 08:56
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Well, I was disappointed by the first ITV boxing last night - the fights were good but only 2 fights that both never went the distance in a 3 hour programme is in my mind poor :nono:

telegramsam 22-01-2017 10:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35881584)
Well, I was disappointed by the first ITV boxing last night - the fights were good but only 2 fights that both never went the distance in a 3 hour programme is in my mind poor :nono:
Not a boxing fan myself but I do know that ITV can't be responsible for how long the fights last!

johnasimmons 22-01-2017 10:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35881589)
Not a boxing fan myself but I do know that ITV can't be responsible for how long the fights last!
What I meant was not the length of the fights but there were 8 fights on the bill in Preston - surely they could have shown a few more... :confused:

telegramsam 22-01-2017 11:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35881597)
What I meant was not the length of the fights but there were 8 fights on the bill in Preston - surely they could have shown a few more... :confused:
Yeah I take your point. I guess they thought the fights would of lasted longer?

muppetman11 22-01-2017 12:41
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Another top lineup of matches on Sky Sports today Leicester v Southampton , Arsenal v Burnley and Chelsea v Hull.

No wonder audiences are on the slide.:D

denphone 22-01-2017 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881615)
Another top lineup of matches on Sky Sports today Leicester v Southampton , Arsenal v Burnley and Chelsea v Hull.

No wonder audiences are on the slide.:D
MM your disgruntled disaffection grows by the day.;)

Raider999 22-01-2017 13:11
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881615)
Another top lineup of matches on Sky Sports today Leicester v Southampton , Arsenal v Burnley and Chelsea v Hull.

No wonder audiences are on the slide.:D

Not sure you can blame sky, virgin or BT for the fixture list!

You cannot have games between the top 6 all day every day.

muppetman11 22-01-2017 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35881617)
Not sure you can blame sky, virgin or BT for the fixture list!

You cannot have games between the top 6 all day every day.
Agreed still a crap weekend of football on Sky Sports though :D

Mad Max 22-01-2017 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881620)
Agreed still a crap weekend of football though :D

Don't agree with you there mate, I thought the City V Spurs game was very good, especially the second half.

muppetman11 22-01-2017 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35881621)
Don't agree with you there mate, I thought the City V Spurs game was very good, especially the second half.
Sorry wasn't clear I meant the Sky Sports games that was on BT Sport. Reading my post back I should have added on Sky Sports. I'll edit it :D

denphone 22-01-2017 14:07
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The so called experts of Henry , Souness . etc , etc , etc get my boat and on BT the pundits are even worse IMO..:td:

alwaysabear 22-01-2017 15:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881624)
The so called experts of Henry , Souness . etc , etc , etc get my boat and on BT the pundits are even worse IMO..:td:
I agree Den Henry and Souness ain't the best.

muppetman11 22-01-2017 19:17
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BT and Sky take to the pitch for Champions League rematch

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...eague-rematch/

denphone 22-01-2017 19:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881695)
BT and Sky take to the pitch for Champions League rematch

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...eague-rematch/
Expect them to offer half what they offered before.;)

muppetman11 22-01-2017 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881701)
Expect them to offer half what they offered before.;)
That would certainly be preferable , however just to correct you I think it was actually said that many of us didn't believe we'd see the sharp increases as with previous rights.

The deal could very well net more but in what form ?

If Sky was to win and pay more than BT currently do how much do you forsee a Sky Sports sub costing ?

There are other options like so many games being offered to a FTA broadcaster a tie up between a FTA broadcaster and a pay broadcaster. The article also mentions possible pan European deal or global basis let's wait and see.

denphone 22-01-2017 19:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881705)
That would certainly be preferable , however just to correct you I think it was actually said that many of us didn't believe we'd see the sharp increases as with previous rights.

The deal could very well net more but in what form ?

If Sky was to win and pay more than BT currently do how much do you forsee a Sky Sports sub costing ?

There are other options like so many games being offered to a FTA broadcaster a tie up between a FTA broadcaster and a pay broadcaster. The article also mentions possible pan European deal or global basis let's wait and see.
Part of my post was meant in jest MM :) as personally l think the bidding will be above what was paid last time but as you know l am often wrong in my predictions ;) but we shall see what happens as you so succinctly say.

muppetman11 22-01-2017 20:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881706)
Part of my post was meant in jest MM :) as personally l think the bidding will be above what was paid last time but as you know l am often wrong in my predictions ;) but we shall see what happens as you so succinctly say.
Den trust me I get equally as many things wrong. My beliefs are just based on the fact I believe Sports rights cannot continue to increase at the rate they have been in my opinion everyone has a limit of what represents value for money to them. We will see.

muppetman11 23-01-2017 10:45
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Sky Acquires Majority Stake In True North, Invests In Chrysalis Vision

http://deadline.com/2017/01/sky-majo...nt-1201892237/

Sky prepares for push into film production

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...lm-production/

Clearly trying to make its offering less reliant on Sport ?

1andrew1 23-01-2017 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35881755)
Sky Acquires Majority Stake In True North, Invests In Chrysalis Vision

http://deadline.com/2017/01/sky-majo...nt-1201892237/

Sky prepares for push into film production

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...lm-production/

Clearly trying to make its offering less reliant on Sport ?
I was thinking maybe to make its offering less reliant on HBO in case the latter decides to set up its own channels/service. The only exclusive content is content that you commission yourself.

denphone 23-01-2017 10:53
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You could say that but remember Sport has been Sky's mighty financial driver of subscriptions for over 20 years now and without it they might find themselves up the creek without a paddle quicker then one can imagine but personally l cannot see that happening anytime soon.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35881756)
I was thinking maybe to make its offering less reliant on HBO in case the latter decides to set up its own channels/service. The only exclusive content is content that you commission yourself.
And most of Sky's own exclusive commissions have failed to get decent audiences on the scale of the GOT and other HBO content.

1andrew1 23-01-2017 11:03
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If anyone wants to understand more about bidding for the Champions League and the BT-Sky rivalry, these two in-depth posts from Mike Darcey (former COO at Sky) are worth your while reading.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/biddi...?trk=prof-post

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/biddi...ii-mike-darcey

Credit to finding them: RobSmithS on Digital Spy
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2995

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881757)
And most of Sky's own exclusive commissions have failed to get decent audiences on the scale of the GOT and other HBO content.
Therein lies the dilemma. Sky's dependency here gives HBO more leverage in negotiations. The balance of power would be tipped in Sky's favour if its own content secured GoT-like viewing figures. Maybe the combination with Fox will help facilitate this too.

muppetman11 23-01-2017 11:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35881756)
I was thinking maybe to make its offering less reliant on HBO in case the latter decides to set up its own channels/service. The only exclusive content is content that you commission yourself.
Only HBO will know when that time is right on Sky's most recent deal I've worked out HBO would need north of 450,000 subscribers to equal what Sky is paying them. In that working I haven't allowed for extra costs such as marketing , subscription billing and the cost of running it's own streaming service. As an estimate I'd say they'd need at least north of a million paying customers on a subscription of £10 a month.

vincerooney 23-01-2017 15:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35881635)
I agree Den Henry and Souness ain't the best.
I had figured after the universal disdain for owen that sky and BT would hire pundits based on actual talent at the job rather than "name value". Henry is absolutely terrible at his job. Hired purely as he's "thierry henry". I'd rather have a man out of the pub giving his views if he's more articulate than Henry.

Looking at the wages of neville, owen, carragher, henry etc and the price i pay each month for sky sports going towards this...one wonders if we can "opt out" of grinning pundits in the future.

£25 for sky sports with the expensive wages of the cliche "MNF/Super sunday LADZ"
XL package needed for BT sports and the expensive wages for the awful punditry of BT sports at pitch side.

OR

Ten quid off the bill for everything if you just want football coverage. No expensive pundits. Their wage bill taken off for good. At half time you're just greeted with a black screen until the game finishes.

I'd sign up for the latter.

OLD BOY 23-01-2017 18:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35881757)
You could say that but remember Sport has been Sky's mighty financial driver of subscriptions for over 20 years now and without it they might find themselves up the creek without a paddle quicker then one can imagine but personally l cannot see that happening anytime soon.
That's right, Den, but you will be aware of the growing resistence to price rises in relation to the cost of sport. If higher bids result in higher prices on a regular basis, the law of diminishing returns start to kick in, and then sport will no longer be the mighty financial driver it once was.

As I said before, you can't just the future by the present. Things have a habit of changing.

---------- Post added at 18:24 ---------- Previous post was at 18:19 ----------

Another blow for VM subscribers.

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/01/f...ation-via.html

BT Sport subscribers with Sky, BT TV, TalkTalk, or who access BT Sport via the app will gain access to Boxing channel BoxNation from 24th February 2017.

The tie-up between the two broadcasters was first announced last year, but since then further details alongside the launch date have become available. While BT Sport subscribers using BT's and TalkTalk's YouView-based TV services or using Sky will benefit, Virgin Media customers with BT Sport are excluded.

Anyone with the BT Sport Pack will get BoxNation for free from 24th February 2017, although BoxNation's pay-per-view events won't be included, according to BT. HD pack customers will gain free access to BoxNation in high definition. BT Sport Lite Pack customers will need to upgrade to the full BT Sport pack to gain access to BoxNation.

The launch coincides with an evening of boxing including Boy Jones Jnr v Craig Poxton and Jay Harris v Thomas Essomba from Bethanal Green.

As part of the deal between BoxNation and BT Sport, Saturday night Fight Nights will also feature on the BT Sport channels.

As announced on Friday, BT will start charging all BT TV customers for BT Sport from 1st August 2017. This affects those watching in standard definition, as HD and UHD customers already pay a premium for BT Sport in high and ultra high definition formats. BT is increasing the monthly subscription charge for those accessing BT Sport via Sky from the same date. However, BT says the deal with BoxNation means viewers who previously subscribed to both services separately will save £144 a year.

Media Boy UK 23-01-2017 19:04
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35881824)
That's right, Den, but you will be aware of the growing resistence to price rises in relation to the cost of sport. If higher bids result in higher prices on a regular basis, the law of diminishing returns start to kick in, and then sport will no longer be the mighty financial driver it once was.

As I said before, you can't just the future by the present. Things have a habit of changing.

---------- Post added at 18:24 ---------- Previous post was at 18:19 ----------

Another blow for VM subscribers.

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/01/f...ation-via.html

BT Sport subscribers with Sky, BT TV, TalkTalk, or who access BT Sport via the app will gain access to Boxing channel BoxNation from 24th February 2017.

The tie-up between the two broadcasters was first announced last year, but since then further details alongside the launch date have become available. While BT Sport subscribers using BT's and TalkTalk's YouView-based TV services or using Sky will benefit, Virgin Media customers with BT Sport are excluded.

Anyone with the BT Sport Pack will get BoxNation for free from 24th February 2017, although BoxNation's pay-per-view events won't be included, according to BT. HD pack customers will gain free access to BoxNation in high definition. BT Sport Lite Pack customers will need to upgrade to the full BT Sport pack to gain access to BoxNation.

The launch coincides with an evening of boxing including Boy Jones Jnr v Craig Poxton and Jay Harris v Thomas Essomba from Bethanal Green.

As part of the deal between BoxNation and BT Sport, Saturday night Fight Nights will also feature on the BT Sport channels.

As announced on Friday, BT will start charging all BT TV customers for BT Sport from 1st August 2017. This affects those watching in standard definition, as HD and UHD customers already pay a premium for BT Sport in high and ultra high definition formats. BT is increasing the monthly subscription charge for those accessing BT Sport via Sky from the same date. However, BT says the deal with BoxNation means viewers who previously subscribed to both services separately will save £144 a year.
Virgin Media did confirm to SeeNit on December 12th that Boxnation was not set to launch on the XL Package or join the BT Sport package.

OLD BOY 23-01-2017 19:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35881842)
Virgin Media did confirm to SeeNit on December 12th that Boxnation was not set to launch on the XL Package or join the BT Sport package.
Yes, and this confirms it, so no prospect of a last minute deal, I think.

Chad 24-01-2017 00:12
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
When do SKY usually put up the price of SKY Sports?

Noticed something on my SKY account. I don't currently have SKY Sports but can add it for half price anytime I want due to the deal I have with SKY. The price currently being shown for SKY Sports on my account is £31.50 going down to £15.75 per month when my discount is applied. This is strange as all the other parts of SKY's website is showing the price as £27.50 per month.

This is not the first time I've seen this kind of thing. It has in the past reflected upcoming price increases. I suspect SKY Sports will be going up by £4.00 per month in the very near future.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...01/1.jpg:large

muppetman11 24-01-2017 09:52
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If that is indeed true I wont subscribe to Sky Sports it's simply no longer represents value for money to me at those prices.

muppetman11 25-01-2017 09:57
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UK ISP Sky Broadband Confirms Line Rental Price Hike to £18.99

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...ike-18-99.html

denphone 25-01-2017 10:15
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Goodness gracious me a 9.14% rise is pretty steep IMO..

Dave42 25-01-2017 10:51
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we all know price will only ever go up and never down so no surprise at all

muppetman11 25-01-2017 11:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35882072)
Goodness gracious me a 9.14% rise is pretty steep IMO..
Agreed but I'm sure they'll tell us something along the lines of we have just brought our prices in line with our competitors.:rolleyes:

denphone 25-01-2017 11:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35882085)
Agreed but I'm sure they'll tell us something along the lines of we have just brought our prices in line with our competitors.:rolleyes:
If l could get rid of my fixed phone line l would but because my ICD monitor has to send regular information down a fixed phone line to the hospital its a non starter.

1andrew1 25-01-2017 12:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35882068)
UK ISP Sky Broadband Confirms Line Rental Price Hike to £18.99

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...ike-18-99.html
I'm guessing those with the five-year deal which Chad has are not immune to landline rises.

denphone 25-01-2017 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35882096)
I'm guessing those with the five-year deal which Chad has are not immune to landline rises.
The devil is always in the detail as we know as most don't look at the small print generally..

muppetman11 25-01-2017 16:39
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BT's big money sport deals 'could be hit' after £8billion wiped off stock market value

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/busines...-deals-9685669

denphone 25-01-2017 16:56
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Could but unlikely IMO.

OLD BOY 25-01-2017 17:08
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35882098)
The devil is always in the detail as we know as most don't look at the small print generally..
They won't be reading the posts on this page of the thread, then! :D

denphone 25-01-2017 17:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35882148)
They won't be reading the posts on this page of the thread, then! :D
Not mine anyway as they are hard to understand from one post to the next.;)

Chad 25-01-2017 19:17
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35882096)
I'm guessing those with the five-year deal which Chad has are not immune to landline rises.
Yeah my line rental has gone up. TV package has stayed the same.

Keeping an eye on broadband deals from BT now that Boxnation will be included.

denphone 26-01-2017 10:18
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Sky wins new Uefa Nations League rights.

Quote:
Sky also announced that it has secured the exclusive rights to England matches in the new Uefa Nations League, including qualifiers for Euro 2020 and the 2022 World Cup.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...e-rights-costs

muppetman11 26-01-2017 10:43
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Sky profits dented by higher football rights costs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38754997

denphone 30-01-2017 19:12
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BT fires opening shot at Sky in new Champions League rights battle.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...hts-sky-sports

Quote:
To date Sky and BT have attempted to play down expectations of a bidding war, despite Uefa predicting the next three-year UK deal could go for as much as 30% more at about £1.2bn.

However, John Petter, chief executive of BT Consumer, who led the last bid, has admitted that BT has to hold on to the rights to continue to drive its pay-TV business.

1andrew1 31-01-2017 19:36
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All Discovery channels including Eurosport are staying on Sky!

GOOD NEWS! All our channels are staying on Sky. We can’t thank you enough for your patience & support. Best fans in TV! #KeepDiscovery
https://twitter.com/DiscoveryUK/stat...12462904172544

denphone 31-01-2017 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35883374)
All Discovery channels including Eurosport are staying on Sky!

GOOD NEWS! All our channels are staying on Sky. We can’t thank you enough for your patience & support. Best fans in TV! #KeepDiscovery
https://twitter.com/DiscoveryUK/stat...12462904172544
So sabre rattling by both sides all along.

johnathome 31-01-2017 22:18
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I wonder what one buckled?

denphone 01-02-2017 06:08
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35883400)
I wonder what one buckled?
Well the head honcho's of these companies certainly won't be revealing that John.

denphone 01-02-2017 14:28
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TalkTalk sees fourth consecutive fall in TV customer base.

http://www.seenit.co.uk/talktalk-see...customer-base/

Chad 02-02-2017 00:10
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There's some decent coverage of the next round of international games on TV for those without a SKY Sports subscription.

22nd March - Germany Vs. England - ITV4 (Friendly)
24th March - Spain Vs. Israel - SKY Sports Mix (FIFA World Cup 2018 Qualifier)
25th March - Bulgaria v Netherlands - SKY Sports Mix (FIFA World Cup 2018 Qualifier)
25th March - Portugal v Hungary - ITV4 (FIFA World Cup 2018 Qualifier)
26th March - England v Lithuania - ITV (FIFA World Cup 2018 Qualifier)
26th March - Scotland v Slovenia SKY Sports Mix (FIFA World Cup 2018 Qualifier)

denphone 04-02-2017 10:20
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l wonder what this will mean for football fans possibly if it happens?.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...ayre-step-down

Quote:
Liverpool’s outgoing CEO said a threatened break-up of the Premier League’s collective broadcasting deal “is still being debated” in the boardrooms of leading clubs despite the current model generating more than £10bn between 2016-19. The admission will alarm other top-flight clubs, who share the spoils of collective selling at home and overseas, and critics who argue the competitiveness of the Premier League is what makes it the most lucrative in the world.

OLD BOY 04-02-2017 11:52
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Well, something needs to be done to stop excessive money being made out of this at the expense of the punter, but they need to avoid chucking the baby out with the bathwater.

I would like to see all Premier League matches televised live, and distributed more widely to pay TV and the terrestrials. Unfortunately, if the clubs sell rights to their matches individually, I have a sneaking suspicion that prices will go up still further!

telegramsam 06-02-2017 15:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35883905)
Well, something needs to be done to stop excessive money being made out of this at the expense of the punter, but they need to avoid chucking the baby out with the bathwater.

I would like to see all Premier League matches televised live, and distributed more widely to pay TV and the terrestrials. Unfortunately, if the clubs sell rights to their matches individually, I have a sneaking suspicion that prices will go up still further!
Agree with you mate. The top clubs like Man UTD,Man City,Arsenal,Chelsea etc would be able to demand and get hughe tv fees but smaller clubs such as mine Middlesbrough would really struggle,especially if they put on the sort of dreary defensive performance seen against Spurs at the weekend!

Chad 11-02-2017 09:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35881312)
SKY to shows their third Premiership game on SKY Sports Mix on Saturday the 11th February. Arsenal v Hull City
SKY to show their fourth Premiership game on SKY Sports Mix on Sunday the 26th February. Tottenham Hotspur Vs. Stoke City.

muppetman11 11-02-2017 10:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35885172)
SKY to show their fourth Premiership game on SKY Sports Mix on Sunday the 26th February. Tottenham Hotspur Vs. Stoke City.
They have to prop up the falling viewing figures somehow.;)

denphone 11-02-2017 10:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35885173)
They have to prop up the falling viewing figures somehow.;)
Well l am sure you will put your own support behind them MM.;)

muppetman11 11-02-2017 10:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35885174)
Well l am sure you will put your own support behind them MM.;)
Sorry that's lost on me Den don't get it.

denphone 11-02-2017 10:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35885181)
Sorry that's lost on me Den don't get it.
It was a answer made in jest MM.:)

muppetman11 11-02-2017 10:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35885183)
It was a answer made in jest MM.:)
As I remember it Den it was you putting your support behind Sky the price it paid and it's dip in viewing, in fact it was only you I can remember it well. Didn't alwaysabear also disagree with you. Do you have amnesia.;)

denphone 11-02-2017 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35885185)
As I remember it Den it was you putting your support behind Sky the price it paid and it's dip in viewing, in fact it was only you I can remember it well. Didn't alwaysabear also disagree with you. Do you have amnesia.;)
l stand by everything l said although invariably l often generally get it wrong most times MM.;)

1andrew1 20-02-2017 18:42
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Channel 4 could show Champions League football for the first time

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that the public-service broadcaster is exploring the prospect of buying one fixture per matchweek [in conjunction with BT Sport] under the new three-year UK television contract that will be awarded next month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...ll-first-time/

denphone 20-02-2017 18:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35886735)
Channel 4 could show Champions League football for the first time

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that the public-service broadcaster is exploring the prospect of buying one fixture per matchweek [in conjunction with BT Sport] under the new three-year UK television contract that will be awarded next month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...ll-first-time/
Interesting as l would not have thought they would get anything like ITV's ratings when the had the CL on their channel before they lost their rights.

muppetman11 20-02-2017 19:09
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I'd be amazed if BT Sport didn't retain the European matches let's be honest their offering would look particularly weak without this.

With what Sky paid for the lions share of the Premier League can they honestly afford to compete.

denphone 20-02-2017 19:20
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35886743)
I'd be amazed if BT Sport didn't retain the European matches let's be honest their offering would look particularly weak without this.

With what Sky paid for the lions share of the Premier League can they honestly afford to compete.
Well the rumour is the rights could go for around £300 million more then last time.

muppetman11 20-02-2017 19:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35886748)
Well the rumour is the rights could go for around £300 million more then last time.
So £1.2 billion ? Just shows the madness involved with Football , at the end of the day I'm sure some suckers out there will continue to pay for it.

telegramsam 20-02-2017 19:24
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35886737)
Interesting as l would not have thought they would get anything like ITV's ratings when the had the CL on their channel before they lost their rights.
That always puzzles me,why so many people don't watch a programme they like just because it's not on one of the so called 'main' channels! If I like a programme I'll watch it no matter what channel it's on!

1andrew1 20-02-2017 19:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35886750)
That always puzzles me,why so many people don't watch a programme they like just because it's not on one of the so called 'main' channels! If I like a programme I'll watch it no matter what channel it's on!
I think it's because of the coss-promotion. ITV has massive audiences from shows like Coronation Street and the X-Factor.

denphone 21-02-2017 05:58
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35886749)
So £1.2 billion ? Just shows the madness involved with Football , at the end of the day I'm sure some suckers out there will continue to pay for it.
Well if Virgin pull BT Sport out of the XL TV pack then we will certainly be
saying adios.

OLD BOY 21-02-2017 07:45
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35886784)
Well if Virgin pull BT Sport out of the XL TV pack then we will certainly be
saying adios.
That's not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, though, is it, Den?

denphone 21-02-2017 08:33
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35886789)
That's not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, though, is it, Den?
Well if they do get rid of it then Virgin would need something pretty substantial up their sleeves to replace it OB.

telegramsam 21-02-2017 09:54
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35886784)
Well if Virgin pull BT Sport out of the XL TV pack then we will certainly be
saying adios.
And me too!


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