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Evidence suggests immigration is a minor burden on the NHS compared to other factors: https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-immig...elated_content

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We cannot sustain over 200,000 people coming here each year Den. You forget we are a tiny island with severely limited housing and resources.

Several rented houses, on my road have been taken up by unskilled Romanians who do not work. They constantly argue, fight with each other, are up all times of the night. They don’t integrate and to put it bluntly, some are absolute scavengers, watched 3 of them other week look over peoples walls and go through peoples bins etc, looking for any scraps of metal they can find.

Do we really want open borders to unskilled migrants who just come here to ride the benefits gravy train and steal and rob from our own citizens?

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Brexit is all about emotion and not facts. You'll never win a discussion with a Brexiter on facts and evidence alone, I'm afraid.

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You have not been right on a lot of things Andrew, so you got no room to talk, at all. :rolleyes:

Mostly what keeps being said would happen, hasn’t happened or is just fear mongering BS.

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But even if they went tomorrow many of our problems would still exist unless you think otherwise?.

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:tu:

Not to mention some serious stereotyping. Talk about hypocrisy...

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They are a small troublesome minority and as such should not be allowed in Mick as the majority of migrants who come in this country are skilled hardworking citizens who add to this country by working for many important services so l am sure you would not want them to go as well as without them our staff shortages would be even more severe then they already are..

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Of course not but they are a very small minority who should have not been let in to start with as the vast majority of migrants who come in are skilled and hardworking and are of a benefit to this country unless you don't them in either?.

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That’s out of order Den, I did not say that! :mad:

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l never said you did Mick as like many you can see the benefits of skilled hardworking migrants coming into this country.:)

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It's obvious they aren't a major burden to the nhs, most are fit, young and healthy at least

I despute that, especially when talking about eastern European workers and I dispute the hard working bit to actually, I'm not saying they're lazy but I've never met one who works harder than me and I don't describe myself as any thing special when it comes to working hard, it's a bit of a bug bear for me the way we do our own workforce down especially in the early days when they forced wages down so much pretty much any lowish skilled job became minimum wage and also ignoring the fact their living costs were much lower. That said I had noticed a marked change amongst my eastern European workmates over the last three or four years, they were not quite so happy to do three hundred hour month's or live 5 to a house.

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Talent is talent wherever they t comes from. I work with a European Customer service team as part of my job and I would say that the 60+ EU born workers are amazing.

Interestingly, one of the managers in that team is Hungarian and her 18 year old brother came over to the UK to improve his English. He has never been out of a job. If he didn’t like a job, he quit and got another one in days, if not hours. All minimum wage of course. His impression of British 18 year old workers is not good. The sense of entitilement astonished him.

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Blame the schools and parents for that: "You can be anything you want to be" tosh. If you're as thick as two planks you'll only be fit to stack the shelves at Sainsbury's not a brain surgeon.

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Well by definition you're seeing the highly motivated ones who've bothered to come to the UK for work not the rest. What's more a few years of living here and adjusting to all that 'entitlement' can have exactly the same effect on migrants as it does on our own who've grown up with that expectation. Anyone coming here from poorer countries is bound to perceive things as being far easier here than back home and the children of migrants who're born here are likely to have exactly the same expectations as those born of British parents.

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You means these immigrants are integrating in to the British way of life?

It does go to show how each persons perceptions of immigration vary depending on their experience. On the whole, most immigrants I have met have been sound. Normal people who just want to get on with their lives. Mick’s experience is different. Neither however is 100% correct.

I have been an immigrant myself, having worked in Germany, Sweden and the US. It’s tough moving to another country to work, especially if the language is different.

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One key issue that the two leave campaigns brushed away as Project Fear is now the major sticking point it was always predicted to be.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ch-deal-irish/