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1andrew1 03-04-2017 20:09
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893107)
I have to keep an eye on you Bilderbergers ;) I can't have you lulling us into a false sense of security, and then end up, down the line, believing that black is really white, now can I? :D
Ha ha. I need to post more anti-Brexit comments before I'm allowed to attend the next meeting! And paying VM to keep Fox News off their platform is costing me the earth! :D

Osem 03-04-2017 20:30
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893120)
Too exciting for them. The Telegraph loved it especially with the comparison to the Falklands.
So we have the media trying to turn the comments of a political has been into a diplomatic incident they can then spend even more time reporting. Self serving or what?

Damien 03-04-2017 20:32
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35893134)
So we have the media trying to turn the comments of a political has been into a diplomatic incident they can then spend even more time reporting. Self serving or what?
Well yeah, they've been doing that for as long as I've know about the media.

Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY

1andrew1 03-04-2017 20:42
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35893134)
So we have the media trying to turn the comments of a political has been into a diplomatic incident they can then spend even more time reporting. Self serving or what?
Until such time as newspapers don't need buyers or advertising this will continue to happen.

Osem 03-04-2017 20:45
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893107)
I have to keep an eye on you Bilderbergers ;) I can't have you lulling us into a false sense of security, and then end up, down the line, believing that black is really white, now can I? :D
The elite are right now living the high life, their worries are longer term and just like their investments, their plans and allegiances are focused on the future when things are likely to get much harder as their obscene wealth comes under increasing scrutiny as Sir Philip Green will testify. Lehman Bros. was sacrificed but Goldman Sachs has a very big fat finger in every pie at the highest level - whose interests do they serve? You and me? :rolleyes:

Can you imagine a scenario in which the super rich and powerful wouldn't do their utmost to try to exert undue influence political leaders and government policy to suit themselves? I can't. It wasn't that long ago that cash for questions was in the news and we know full well what sort of company our glorious leaders all too often like to keep - free holidays on billionaire's yachts, private islands etc. etc. Just because a few of them get caught out and are made to suffer doesn't mean that corruption isn't a serious problem with a common theme. The rich and the powerful will stick together because of their common interests and do whatever they can to secure their long term wellbeing. They're already doing it all over the place by funding one party or another according to what suits them NOT for the common good.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893135)
Well yeah, they've been doing that for as long as I've know about the media.

Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY
So what we really need to do is not perpetuate their nonsense but make it plain that govt. policy isn't and almost certainly never will be to go to war with Spain. End of story, end of ridiculous media speculation and pot stirring.

Damien 03-04-2017 20:50
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35893138)
The rich and the powerful will stick together because of their common interests and do whatever they can to secure their long term wellbeing. They're already doing it all over the place by funding one party or another according to what suits them NOT for the common good.
People with a lot of money will always be able to exert control to an extent. I think it's important to separate that behaviour from a conspiracy of world control as if this is organised and planned rather than people reacting to events, often with the short-term in mind.

Also these people also oppose each other. They bankroll opposition parties. Trump and Brexit had elites behind them, as did Clinton and Remain. The interests of Bill Gates and Elon Musk do not gel with the interests of The Koch Brothers or Murdoch.

I would support the public financing of elections to be honest. That would help remove some power from the richest, maybe, or we could support candidates that don't raise much corporate money such as Sanders in the States. Your signature though slams Corbyn as part of this elite, I don't like him and think he is destroying the role of the opposition, but the Tories are far more in tune with those elites you talk of than Corbyn.

1andrew1 03-04-2017 21:01
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893140)
People with a lot of money will always be able to exert control to an extent. I think it's important to separate that behaviour from a conspiracy of world control as if this is organised and planned rather than people reacting to events, often with the short-term in mind.

Also these people also oppose each other. They bankroll opposition parties. Trump and Brexit had elites behind them, as did Clinton and Remain. The interests of Bill Gates and Elon Musk do not gel with the interests of The Koch Brothers or Murdoch.

I would support the public financing of elections to be honest. That would help remove some power from the richest, maybe, or we could support candidates that don't raise much corporate money such as Sanders in the States. Your signature though slams Corbyn as part of this elite, I don't like him and think he is destroying the role of the opposition, but the Tories are far more in tune with those elites you talk of than Corbyn.
Spot on.
.:tu:

Ramrod 03-04-2017 22:09
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35893010)
Why would this benefit multinational companies? They benefit by playing states off one another for tax deals, lighter regulations and government grants. A global government would end this.
Or impose a totalitarian rule on us which is exploited by (previously multinational) companies.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893140)
People with a lot of money will always be able to exert control to an extent. I think it's important to separate that behaviour from a conspiracy of world control
There is a conspiracy (call it a long term ideal, a vision of the future, if it makes you feel better) to create a bloc of american countries (north and south), another of asian countries and yet another of european countries (the EU). Then 'they' will combine them together into a one world government.
This is a good idea. It's logical and I am all for it as long as it's done with our consent and not in a cackhanded way like the EU is being attempted.
If it's done against the will of the peoples of the planet then we should fight it as much as we can.

papa smurf 04-04-2017 10:08
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'You're listening now, aren't you?' Hilary Benn on Brexiteers' referendum wake-up call

Mr Benn said: “The reason why 52 per cent of the population voted to leave was, for me, about a whole host of things. Yes, migration and immigration and change and jobs and stagnant wages and austerity and sovereignty and a desire not to be told what to do any more by others.
“But I would sum it up as a feeling of ‘we don’t think that you are listening to us’ and if someone was standing on this stage today representing the 52 per cent, they would look everyone in the audience who voted Remain and say ‘you’re listening now, aren’t you?’

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/787...m-wake-up-call

ianch99 04-04-2017 10:56
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893140)
People with a lot of money will always be able to exert control to an extent. I think it's important to separate that behaviour from a conspiracy of world control as if this is organised and planned rather than people reacting to events, often with the short-term in mind.

Also these people also oppose each other. They bankroll opposition parties. Trump and Brexit had elites behind them, as did Clinton and Remain. The interests of Bill Gates and Elon Musk do not gel with the interests of The Koch Brothers or Murdoch.

I would support the public financing of elections to be honest. That would help remove some power from the richest, maybe, or we could support candidates that don't raise much corporate money such as Sanders in the States. Your signature though slams Corbyn as part of this elite, I don't like him and think he is destroying the role of the opposition, but the Tories are far more in tune with those elites you talk of than Corbyn.
One recent example of such a person is Arron Banks ..

1andrew1 04-04-2017 13:16
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35893205)
'You're listening now, aren't you?' Hilary Benn on Brexiteers' referendum wake-up call

Mr Benn said: “The reason why 52 per cent of the population voted to leave was, for me, about a whole host of things. Yes, migration and immigration and change and jobs and stagnant wages and austerity and sovereignty and a desire not to be told what to do any more by others.
“But I would sum it up as a feeling of ‘we don’t think that you are listening to us’ and if someone was standing on this stage today representing the 52 per cent, they would look everyone in the audience who voted Remain and say ‘you’re listening now, aren’t you?’

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/787...m-wake-up-call
Hilary Benn has also sensibly been pushing the Government about the costs of no deal.
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Labour MP Hilary Benn, who chairs the committee, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "If the government is going to make this assertion that no deal would be better than a bad deal, I think everyone would expect the government to have done some assessment."
He pointed out that farming tariffs, financial services and emergency health care in Europe were all issues that would all "fall by the wayside" with no deal.
"They should make an assessment. Because in the absence of the government explaining what mitigating measures it would take to deal with that outcome, to say that no deal is better than a bad deal is unsubstantiated," said Mr Benn.
He added there is a "balance to be struck" and "a difference between doing the work behind the scenes and making it public".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39482530

Kursk 04-04-2017 13:37
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35893205)
“But I would sum it up as a feeling of ‘we don’t think that you are listening to us’ and if someone was standing on this stage today representing the 52 per cent, they would look everyone in the audience who voted Remain and say ‘you’re listening now, aren’t you?’
:D Oh yes. A task force should be despatched to Ibiza immediately. If they want Gib, we're having their beetches :) on account that we've paid for them several times over.

heero_yuy 04-04-2017 14:34
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35893236)
:D Oh yes. A task force should be despatched to Ibiza immediately. If they want Gib, we're having their beetches :) on account that we've paid for them several times over.
Maybe we should support Morocco to claim back the Spanish enclaves there. Sauce for the goose etc.

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The government of Morocco has requested from Spain the sovereignty of Ceuta and Melilla, of Perejil Island, and of some other small territories.
Wiki

1andrew1 04-04-2017 14:40
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Come on Team GB negotiators, let's keep these jobs in the UK!
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Up to 100,000 UK jobs at risk as Merkel and Juncker ally warns on euro clearing
The future of an estimated 100,000 jobs has been plunged into doubt after a close political ally of the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and president of the European commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, warned that a prized sector in the City of London must relocate to EU soil after Brexit.
Manfred Weber, the leader of the largest political group in the European parliament, to which both the German chancellor and the commission president belong, told reporters that euro-denominated clearing could no longer be undertaken in the City when the UK leaves the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-weber-brexit

papa smurf 04-04-2017 14:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35893248)
Come on Team GB negotiators, let's keep these jobs in the UK!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-weber-brexit
i'm starting to favor nuclear brexit as opposed to hard .


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