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Sephiroth 30-07-2019 18:07
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36004551)
None of that detracts from your false claims that Conservative governments fully cost expenditure is 100% false.
I still can't see the lie. OB said ".... . Conservatives don't spend money they don't have or that cannot be sourced from somewhere".

Nothing about "fully costed" but the implication would be that what they've "sourced from elsewhere - such as borrowing - would be fully costed".

Damien 30-07-2019 18:12
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004554)
I still can't see the lie. OB said ".... . Conservatives don't spend money they don't have or that cannot be sourced from somewhere".

Nothing about "fully costed" but the implication would be that what they've "sourced from elsewhere - such as borrowing - would be fully costed".
Well, Labour funded their debt via borrowing. The money does come from somewhere.

papa smurf 30-07-2019 18:14
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36004556)
Well, Labour funded their debt via borrowing. The money does come from somewhere.
Usually the peoples pockets.

Damien 30-07-2019 18:15
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36004557)
Usually the peoples pockets.
It all comes from the 'people's pockets' including debt repayments. Boris' spending pledges will come from the people's pockets even if it's not the people voting for them but the generations that follow.

jfman 30-07-2019 18:22
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004554)
I still can't see the lie. OB said ".... . Conservatives don't spend money they don't have or that cannot be sourced from somewhere".

Nothing about "fully costed" but the implication would be that what they've "sourced from elsewhere - such as borrowing - would be fully costed".
Where does it come from? Consistently posting budget deficits year after year doesn’t suggest the books are balanced. Year after year despite massive privatisation is just kicking the can down the road for future generations.

It’s a big pozni scheme, both Conservative and New Labour. Eventually someone has to pay under any system.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36004558)
It all comes from the 'people's pockets' including debt repayments. Boris' spending pledges will come from the people's pockets even if it's not the people voting for them but the generations that follow.
Debt repayments, bank bailouts, collapsed pension schemes.

Sephiroth 30-07-2019 18:24
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36004556)
Well, Labour funded their debt via borrowing. The money does come from somewhere.
But where's the lie? Where did OB lie?

jfman 30-07-2019 18:35
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004561)
But where's the lie? Where did OB lie?
OB said expenditure was fully costed or the money "found from somewhere". Expenditure isn't fully costed in any such way at all, hence consistent budget defecits throughout Conservative governments since 1979.

As the country hasn't yet defaulted on any debts since 1932 - the same imaginary "found from somewhere" could be used to justify excessive Labour spending.

Sephiroth 30-07-2019 19:46
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36004564)
OB said expenditure was fully costed or the money "found from somewhere". Expenditure isn't fully costed in any such way at all, hence consistent budget defecits throughout Conservative governments since 1979.

As the country hasn't yet defaulted on any debts since 1932 - the same imaginary "found from somewhere" could be used to justify excessive Labour spending.
But surely the meaning of "fully costed" is open to interpretation. Like when they costed it, they thought it was fully costed but the out-turn was different hence deficit.

Calling OB a liar isn't right at all.

Damien 30-07-2019 19:53
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004569)
But surely the meaning of "fully costed" is open to interpretation. Like when they costed it, they thought it was fully costed but the out-turn was different hence deficit.

Calling OB a liar isn't right at all.
I don't get the entire point of the discussion if just taking on debt counts as being costed.

pip08456 30-07-2019 20:00
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36004571)
I don't get the entire point of the discussion if just taking on debt counts as being costed.
I think you miss the point unless you agree OB is a liar.

Rather strong point to take as part of the mod team IMHO.

Sephiroth 30-07-2019 20:01
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36004571)
I don't get the entire point of the discussion if just taking on debt counts as being costed.
What's a mortgage, then?

jfman 30-07-2019 20:22
Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004569)
But surely the meaning of "fully costed" is open to interpretation. Like when they costed it, they thought it was fully costed but the out-turn was different hence deficit.

Calling OB a liar isn't right at all.
I think it's entirely unreasonable that any person or of average intelligence would describe consistently spending more than you earn as "fully costed'.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004574)
What's a mortgage, then?
A mortgage is debt to fund the purchase of an asset. I'd say consistently borrowing to fund your annual expenditure is more like a payday loan.

Sephiroth 30-07-2019 20:34
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36004576)
I think it's entirely unreasonable that any person or of average intelligence would describe consistently spending more than you earn as "fully costed'.

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A mortgage is debt to fund the purchase of an asset. I'd say consistently borrowing to fund your annual expenditure is more like a payday loan.
We can go on all day. So I'll just agree to differ.

Meanwhile sit back and watch the Boris show.

jfman 30-07-2019 20:40
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Oh I enjoy car crash television as well.

heero_yuy 30-07-2019 20:58
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Quote from jfman:Oh I enjoy car crash television as well.
Diane Abbot. :D


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