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Mick 29-11-2017 22:55
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926853)
If anything Mick it's the other way round, we're the ones in the slow lane, while the rest of the EU economies outpace us
No it is not, you are categorically incorrect.

The EU will not be able to survive in a unbalanced economic vacuum and this is exactly what it is. 28 Members, (soon to be 27 and that day cannot come any quicker) Of these Countries of which only 10, it will be 9 once we leave of them make a net contribution, it is unsustainable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
Careful now, that eye will start swivelling ! It does seem to have come as shock to some Brexiters that it's going to cost big time. It's wake up time to Project Reality, the fairy story is over.
Most of your story telling has been reasonably fictional, as already outlined.

Mr K 29-11-2017 23:07
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926885)
No it is not, you are categorically incorrect.

The EU will not be able to survive in a unbalanced economic vacuum and this is exactly what it is. 28 Members, (soon to be 27 and that day cannot come any quicker) Of these Countries of which only 10, it will be 9 once we leave of them make a net contribution, it is unsustainable.
I bow to your expert wisdom Mr Mick !

It is strange though, that we have almost totally met the EU cash demands, and to the timescale they gave us. Who is more desperate?
And why is our economy flatlining and theirs is steaming way ahead ? Have the markets/industry got it totally wrong ? (they rarely do).

heero_yuy 30-11-2017 10:01
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926853)
If anything Mick it's the other way round, we're the ones in the slow lane, while the rest of the EU economies outpace us.
As usual you're completely wrong:

Quote:
Britain is still the most prosperous major European country this year despite Brexit fears, it has been revealed.

The Legatum Institute’s annual survey of 149 nations put the UK above rivals Germany, France, Italy and Spain for economic and social wellbeing.

The UK also came 10th overall across the globe, unchanged from last year, despite grim projections for trouble in the years ahead - above even the US, with oil-rich Norway topping the survey.

We are also judged to be the fifth best in the world for having a good environment to do business in.

The Legatum Prosperity Index was drawn up from nine different measurements, from the economy and governance to health, education and the natural environment.
Source

But hey, let's not let some pesky facts get in the way of closed mind opinion.:rolleyes:

jonbxx 30-11-2017 11:43
Re: Brexit discussion
 
That Sun link is a little misleading saying the UK is most prosperous country in Europe. Here are where we stand on that Index;

For the complete index;

Globally, we are 10th in the world
In Europe, we are 7th
In the EU, we are 5th

Comparing us to the rest of the EU, here's where we stand;
  • Economic quality - 4th behind Sweden, Netherlands and Denmark
  • Business environment - 1st - I guess this is why the Sun is saying what it did
  • Governance - 6th behind Finland, Sweden, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Denmark
  • Education - 3rd behind Netherlands and Finland
  • Health - 10th behind Luxembourg, Austria, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Spain and France
  • Safety and security - 10th behind Austria, Malta, Netherlands, Ireland, Luxembourg, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Germany
  • Personal freedom - 12th behind Luxembourg, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland, Portugal, Belgium, Sweden, Malta, Denmark, Spain and Germany
  • Social capital - 7th behind Denmark, Malta, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland and Austria
  • Environment - 8th behind Slovenia, Finland, France, Latvia, Luxembourg, Estonia and Sweden

In 9 indicators, we lead in 1. Business environment measures a country’s entrepreneurial environment, its business infrastructure, barriers to innovation and labour market flexibility. This along with Economic quality are probably the two indicators that are most likely the be affected by Brexit.

I think The Sun may be cherry picking data there...

Edit - apologies, here's the data - http://www.prosperity.com/rankings

Damien 30-11-2017 13:19
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35926927)
That Sun link is a little misleading saying the UK is most prosperous country in Europe. Here are where we stand on that Index;

For the complete index;

Globally, we are 10th in the world
In Europe, we are 7th
In the EU, we are 5th

Comparing us to the rest of the EU, here's where we stand;
  • Economic quality - 4th behind Sweden, Netherlands and Denmark
  • Business environment - 1st - I guess this is why the Sun is saying what it did
  • Governance - 6th behind Finland, Sweden, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Denmark
  • Education - 3rd behind Netherlands and Finland
  • Health - 10th behind Luxembourg, Austria, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Spain and France
  • Safety and security - 10th behind Austria, Malta, Netherlands, Ireland, Luxembourg, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Germany
  • Personal freedom - 12th behind Luxembourg, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland, Portugal, Belgium, Sweden, Malta, Denmark, Spain and Germany
  • Social capital - 7th behind Denmark, Malta, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland and Austria
  • Environment - 8th behind Slovenia, Finland, France, Latvia, Luxembourg, Estonia and Sweden

In 9 indicators, we lead in 1. Business environment measures a country’s entrepreneurial environment, its business infrastructure, barriers to innovation and labour market flexibility. This along with Economic quality are probably the two indicators that are most likely the be affected by Brexit.

I think The Sun may be cherry picking data there...

Edit - apologies, here's the data - http://www.prosperity.com/rankings
That's unlike them!

1andrew1 30-11-2017 23:56
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35926912)
As usual you're completely wrong:

Source

But hey, let's not let some pesky facts get in the way of closed mind opinion.:rolleyes:
Since when did The Sun become a reliable source?

Mr K 01-12-2017 00:09
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35927043)
Since when did The Sun become a reliable source?
When it's hidden behind the word Source :rolleyes:

1andrew1 01-12-2017 20:47
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35927044)
When it's hidden behind the word Source :rolleyes:
It makes it hard to have a debate when unreliable sources are used. Some people love the tabloids for confirmation bias. The broadsheets have their points of view but they do at least have commentators with different opinions and don't resort to the cherry-picking and use of disreputable "experts" as deployed by papers like The Sun.
They also contain lazy journalism. We saw that with the recent Mail story about the Oxford Street incident which mistook an accident happening on 14 November as part of the 24 November situation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0649480742255

Mick 01-12-2017 21:26
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35927043)
Since when did The Sun become a reliable source?
I think The Sun is a very reliable source of solar energy, radiating heat and generating lots of light during the day time... ;) It is just a pity the UK has not had very much of it this year. :Sun:

TheDaddy 01-12-2017 21:37
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Surprised no one has mentioned the net immigration figures released today, wonder why :scratch:

daveeb 01-12-2017 23:24
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35927190)
Surprised no one has mentioned the net immigration figures released today, wonder why :scratch:
Yes as reported on BBC news so presumably has no credibility in these parts ;)

Mick 01-12-2017 23:27
Re: Brexit discussion
 
BBC have only just released the figures today ?

They talked about net migration on Sky News yesterday..

It's come down but IMO it is still too high, 230,000 still coming here to a country with a severe housing shortage... Services stretched to the limit...

denphone 02-12-2017 06:44
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35927208)
BBC have only just released the figures today ?

They talked about net migration on Sky News yesterday..

It's come down but IMO it is still too high, 230,000 still coming here to a country with a severe housing shortage... Services stretched to the limit...
l agree it is to high but don't think for one moment that reducing this significantly will be the great panacea that ends all our ills as many of these problems stem from before there was a influx of migrants and those problems will still exist after Johnny Foreigner has long gone home.

OLD BOY 02-12-2017 11:19
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35927217)
l agree it is to high but don't think for one moment that reducing this significantly will be the great panacea that ends all our ills as many of these problems stem from before there was a influx of migrants and those problems will still exist after Johnny Foreigner has long gone home.
I don't think you can deny that a significant net reduction in immigration figures will ease the burden on services and housing, Den. That is the point.

denphone 02-12-2017 11:47
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35927226)
I don't think you can deny that a significant net reduction in immigration figures will ease the burden on services and housing, Den. That is the point.
l somehow doubt it as there are many other significant factors involved that stretch our services then just blaming everything on good old Johnny Foreigner OB.


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