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I see these possibilities (in no particular order):

1) No Deal
2) May's Plan with Customs Union and some minor stuff like dynamic alignment with EU worker directives (which is unenforceable but meh)
3) Article 50 extended and a general election either at the Governments request or because a Vote of No Confidence has been lost
4) EEA or EFTA
5) War with Spain

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Nah the pertinent words were 'no-deal Brexit will be stopped'.

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I don't want to be tied in to any union with the corupt EU.

If the nightmare of a no brexit, I'll never vote again, I will go to vote but spoil my paper along with the millions of other robbed leavers.

But as a exlabour vote, I'm backing May to get us out (Yes I know she was a remainer).

Corbyn is the biggest block ATM to our exit, he told all his MPs not to partake with Mays deal.

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Tht's the second person on FB I've unfriended on Facebook.

They took it personal so bye they are history.

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Latest William Hill odds. Odds changing on everything except a deal.
Article 50 extended 3/10 (Yesterday 1/4)
Article 50 revoked 12/1 (Yesterday 16/1)
Leave with a deal 6/1 (Yesterday 6/1)
Leave without a deal 5/1 (Yesterday 6/1)

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think you'll find Corbyn is a bit of an irrelevance.

How has 'EU corruption' affected you? What if our expense fiddling, cash for questions, MPs are more corrupt?

What are if leaving the EU means losing your job, lower living standards and higher prices? What if it means the NHS can't get the staff and isn't there when you need it? Is that ok? Who will you blame when the EU is gone and things are no better/ worse? What if you've been lied to ? Unlike a General Election they'll be no turning back. Be careful what you wish for.

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The Dutch press don't seem to like May.:D

(FYI it means battle)

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It’s a mock-up - the original word (verslagen*) had letters before and after ‘slag’...

Too much white space under the picture, no newspaper would do that.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/17/no-th...-slag-8354779/

*defeated/beaten

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He does carry a substantial block of votes but any new deal, an extension or a second referendum can get to 318(?) without him necessarily actively campaigning for any of the options.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-peoples-vote

The party faces a problem. All roads to remain are via an extension anyway, so there’s no need to come out for a PV yet. Leave the Tory divisions to play out for a little longer.

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LOL :D:D:D

70-Days 22-Hrs 41-Min 45-Sec ;)

- Weekends of course/Non-Working days :p:

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I can't see this ending well, May needs to go and we need some who voted to leave to run us leaving the EU.

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Entertainingly your most frequent contribution to this thread is wrong. It’s out by an hour, you are counting down to 00:00 on 30th March 2019, and not 23:00 on 29th March 2019.

:dunce:

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That's something your an expert in :D:D

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Have a cup of Tea and chill it will be fine :) We are the United Kingdom.The greatest nation and the most diverse nation on the planet.It will work out
just fine in the long run :)

Don't let these persky deluded Remainers make you lose any sleep :)


Goodnight :D

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I like the way you selectively edited out in your quote my bit pointing out your countdown is out by an hour.

I’ll keep you right with the countdown to the revised time when there’s an extension.

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The bookmakers odds compilers rarely get it wrong Andrew.

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What do you base your statement about being "the greatest nation" on?

Also, your claim we are the most diverse nation on the planet is factually incorrect - https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html

If by diverse, you mean by immigration

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Here we go, letting facts get in the way of a perfectly good argument. :erm:

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All roads to anywhere, require an extension. Even no-deal should it actually happen would still require an extension, from what i understand

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Boris our promising unicorns again.

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Boris and Donald both have one thing in common as they both have a excessive interest and admiration of themselves!!!

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Also excessive egos to match.

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We aren’t leaving on 29rh March. Or the 30th.

What’s plan B for the Brexiteers?

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No deal.

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Well first we will demand that the result (or whatever) is overturned because the politicians told lies.
Secondly we will demand another referendum because we didn't like how the first one ended.
During all this there will be months and months of posting links to tweets and articles that really have no merit, apart from making a noise.

We've had some excellent teachers ;)

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We can't discuss it until you take winding people up off the table.

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Unfortunately the truth then is off the table.

My earliest posts in this thread described Parliament trying to subvert the will of the people. I literally told everyone this would happen.

We stumble along and it appears more likely than ever. It doesn’t really give me joy that all this time is wasted pandering to people that will inevitably be let down.

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No mandate

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It’s not my intention to question a moderator decision from Maggy (so I’m specifically not doing so).

However the thread does discuss the most contentious issue this country has faced for forty years. Disagreement is unavoidable.

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This must surely reduce our chances of leaving the EU on 29th March. That Anglo-Saxon saying "Couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery comes to mind.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46917999

Meanwhile, fellow leaver BoJo has been caught out for lying to the public. A ploy to aid his prime ministerial ambitions or a genuine memory lapse?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46926119

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Many leavers hoped that German business might come to our rescue and persuade the powers to be of the right course of action to take in the course of Brexit. The "they need us more than we need them" belief.

Well, they might be right after all!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...tain-55c9tchl2

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In today’s Times letters.

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It’s a nice sentiment, but the first paragraph occurred in the 30-odd years before we joined the EU and they can still come here and enjoy a pie, a pint and a panto after we leave.

So unless this letter is somehow a coded plea for us not to leave them alone with the French, I’m unmoved ...

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In all seriousness I’m not sure what it’s meant to achieve. If they think the abandonment of Brexit is likely, or even on the table, then a very senior German politician is misreading the situation in Britain very badly indeed. If they think that Britain’s role in forcibly bringing Nazi Germany to its senses and then assisting in its post-war rehabilitation is in any way connected, in the British psyche, with our membership of the EU, then for all the affection and sentiment in their letter they really don’t understand us at all.

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Correct.

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If Turkey isn't going to join the EU, why has the EU given them over 9 billion Euros plus other billions as part of preparations for it? Turkey has pushed for visa-free travel. That is freedom of movement in all but name.
EU Auditors report,
Another €6bn to Turkey.
Then there's the likes of Ukraine being lined up.

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I saw in the papers from a few days ago that the EU could lose 500 billion from a no deal. not sure how true that is.

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All the more reason for no deal.

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I'm not sure you read the article I linked to. Boris denied mentioning Turkey whereas he did. The point is about his honesty or memory.

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They could gain 500 billion. It depends on the period of time involved and the formula; we'll all lose from a no-deal initially and the UK long term.

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At present due to our EU membership Liam Fox cannot finalise any free trade deal with any other country.

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Whatever way you look at it, remaining in the EU will mean that we have to finance, feed, house, etc hundreds of thousands(actually 1m+) more people. Why is the EU interfering in the "democratic" systems of foreign countries, and why are we expected to pay out billions for the privilege? Foreign governments are being propped up by the EU. Their economies are being made to look better by all the free money they get. That in turn makes the incumbent government look better than it is.

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I have no idea why the EU are giving Turkey money, but given their 2018 decision on the death penalty, they have ruled out complying with the ECJ, which is a prerequisite of EU membership.

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Still doesn't change the fact that billions of the EU budget are being used to artificially prop up foreign governments.


All in preparation for those countries to send us their criminals and other assorted dross. That could and would in some ways, still happen with the current EU proposals to the UK. Continued freedom of movement is part of the withdrawal agreement.

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That's a red herring distraction point. Do you think Boris lied?

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If we choose to leave with no deal we will end up losing much more in terms of trust from the rest of the world. Negotiations on the trade deals we will need, will end up being less favourable as a result.

Would you trust the country who runs away from their responsibilities by burying their heads in the sand, not being grown up enough to negotiate some sort of deal. Would any other country trust our word, or would they know our desperation and screw us down as hard as they could.

Leaving with no deal would leave us with no choice but the sharks.

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Yet more silly postings about politicians telling lies.

Please can we stop this nonsense, all politicians lie - to the public, their colleagues, and themselves . .

As for the letter in the Times . . totally believable, honest :rolleyes:

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May has created the stalemate by going back to the EU with a deal that parliament has resoundingly rejected.

How on earth is this productive in any way shape or form. You cannot blame the EU negotiators for this. They have agreed the deal with May, parliament overwhelmingly has not. Who is to blame here, cos it 'ain't the EU?

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I believe the first link counts many individual tribes that originate from the same country as a separate ethnicity, which should be understood when looking at the figures in the link. May be what you was alluding too anyway.

As for the immigration numbers above, they look a lot different when you compare those numbers to the square miles of each country and also the population of the indigenous population. As they say, likes, damn lies and statistics....its how you present the numbers.

As for Brexit, a vote was made and the results need to be honoured. How can any future vote be accepted by the population if we re-vote until we get the decision the most vocal want?

Of course the EU, Germany and other countries are trying their hardest to keep us in the EU, by saying nice things in newspapers of playing bully by politics. They want us in the EU as it benefits them. We paid way over and above in to the EU purse each year compared to most countries and they want our trade. They need us more than we need them which is why they are trying so hard to keep us.

After a no deal brexit we will sort out plenty of trade deals and other countries will see they can leave ok and this frightens the EU. They screwed themselves over giving ever increasing powers, dictating stuff they shouldn't have, throwing money all over the place funding fake projects which lead to so much money going in to the hands of the mafiaa and also white collar criminals and they thought they were unstoppable.

Being in a Europe wide Union is not so bad but not what the EU has become. Our leaving and success will be the first brick out of the wall and it will start crumbling. Of course they are going to try by hook or crook to get us to stay.

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The EU have stated, on more than one occasion I believe, that there will be no further concessions - their deal is on the table, take it or leave it.
May brought it back to the UK, which then rejected it.
May returns to the EU hoping for a changed deal, the EU say no.

Which party has it's head in the sand?

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I secretly like to think that May, Corbyn,key politicians and the media have got together and made a pact to make May look incompetent by not changing any of the deal and making our whole government look like a shamble. Just to scare the EU in to thinking we will do a no deal brexit and that they need to change what they are offering. For the benefit of the UK in the future.

Then reality kicks in and what we see is exactly how it actually is.

Politics needs a restart with 3+ new political parties with new people. Labour is pointless existing, the conservatives have shown they only look after themselves and screw the country every chance they get and there is no other real options.

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May went back to the EU with the agreed deal which was rejected by parliament. This is not negotiating for changes, this is just doing the same thing with an already agreed result. The EU has no need to change, they have agreed the deal as it stands.

There is nothing to say a leaner deal cannot be sought. Red lines can be erased.

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The EU combined has a bigger market and larger GDP than we do. They'll still have the single market with each other whereas we'll have zero trade deals. They're about to add a trade deal with Japan forming the single biggest free trading zone in the world.

Losing one of it's biggest countries will be bad for the EU but whereas they lose the ability to trade without any friction with the UK we lose the ability to trade without any friction with all of them.

So where is the idea that they have to budge on their red lines and we don't have to move on ours coming from?

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What a revelation. Could that be something to do with EU rules expressly forbidding any member seeking their own trade deals?

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You don't think we will quickly do trade deals with the EU countries individually? I do.

Not only that, I suspect the same trade deal will pretty much be copy/pasted to most of the EU countries so that it can be enacted much faster. No doubt one or two countries will try and demand more than the others get but they will all want to trade and deals will be done.

You can argue over if we will be much better or worse off and only time will tell but companies want to sell products and trade deals between countries will be done.

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Yes? I never contested otherwise. Neither the less we won't have any. In March we're going to leave the biggest trading zone there is where we could sell in some of the largest economies in the world such as France and Germany as if they were the same country and instead have to trade on W.T.O rules without any trade deals.

So I don't get where the idea is coming from that by going with no deal the EU will panic and fold. They might make some concessions but it seems we're unwilling to make any.

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We can't. It's one of the Brexiters bigger complaints against the EU.

Besides the idea we can spilt the EU countries up and play them against each other in getting the exit deal didn't work.

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I'm really struggling to follow you here . .

Are you saying May went back to the EU and said "hey, here's that same deal we rejected once but can you offer the exact same deal again please?"

And this bit - The EU has no need to change, they have agreed the deal as it stands. - of course the EU have agreed the deal, it's a great deal for the EU, but not for the UK.

I understand that, as a remainer, the deal is probably acceptable to you though ;)

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This.

Talk needs to be about how this is done. Any talk of no brexit or second referendums by politicians show that these politicians think they do not work for the people but are in power to enact their own will.

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We can't finalise any deals until we leave but any leader would not be working for their country if they had not considered a post-exit trade deal and had some communication about it.

Deals will be done and quickly though, which was my point. Just can't deal with the EU who feel they have the upper hand. This will come back to bite them in time :)

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Besides on Day One after we leave who will be the number 1 target for a trade deal? Who will be the easiest to trade with, one of the largest customers, one of the most wealthy? It will be the EU.

We're going to have to do a deal with them anyway. They're huge, rich and right on our door step. Why subject ourselves to economic harm rather than slowly transition with something like May's deal into that new relationship.

What part of being outside is suddenly going to change the dynamic of the terms of a deal? Especially when there will be immense pressure to get something done because at the moment we've not really lost anything, that's about to change.

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The EU as a whole entity are rich, but I would suggest certain parts are far from it ;)

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Leaked video of Theresa May.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlwde7q30cI

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No, it is not acceptable to me or a vast majority of parliament.

What is it you seem unable to grasp about May going back to the EU with a deal she has agreed with them, which parliament has rejected?

In other words, May needs to go back to the EU with something new.

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A simple amendment to the withdrawl agreement would most likely get it passed in Parliament. A legal time limit on the back stop.
It is backstop that is the main issue with the agreement.

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How Humber ports are preparing for a possible hard Brexit as PM's deal vote looms

Immingham’s exact role in a potential hard Brexit can now be revealed as shipping giant DFDS firms up its plans to deliver on a £42 million Government contract.


https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...o-deal-2429791

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I am not even convinced that would change much, let alone gain EU agreement

She needs to go back with a basic agreement about costs and in return get an agreement to prioritise trade EU/UK negotiations after March 29th.

There will have to be a hard NI border or let NI re-join the Republic, as there is no time to do anything else. Red lines are lovely, but what may be possible for the EU to agree could require their erasure.

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The whole reason for a withdrawal agreement is for trade agreements to be made.

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Seen today on Twitter (h/t @glenproctor1988)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1547921260

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So what happens to trade agreements if we leave with no deal?

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They can still be made, we just trade under WTO rules until then.

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You don't need a trade deal to trade with other countries. Trade deals just make it easier as in lower tariffs. Trade is company to company and doesn't involve governments.

Too many people simply don't understand this.

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Some Remainers on this thread don’t understand what you’ve said or have conveniently forgotten it.

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Some remainers are concerned about the potential increase in food prices.

Lets say the following is true. and of course as with most Brexit things related, there's no guarantees one way or the other.

https://inews.co.uk/news/food-more-e...e-brexit-list/

What do you think will happen to these figures

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-uk-by-region/

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Good to know.

I thought, obviously wrongly, that companies need to prepare & submit the paperwork that their Government and the Government of the destination country require. I also thought they were legally obligated to pay the appropriate duties on their goods appropriate to the tariffs that their Government and the Government of the destination country have in place.

So trade doesn't involve governments? Well I never ..

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Or have posted many times what else trade deals include and why're they're so complicated....

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food prices for many products would in all likelihood drop, as we wouldn’t need to apply EU tarriffs

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Remaining in the UK would see the pound rise which would cause a drop in the price of all produce, including that which we import from the EU on a zero tariff basis.

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You sure about that?

Also i didn’t think leaving the UK was on the cards, but i can dig an independent Yorkshire.

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Ooops :erm:

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With a backstop for the Humber bridge ;)

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There will be lots of this over the next few weeks. It looks like I will be an employee of an Irish subsidiary rather than a UK one shortly with a new contract as part of Brexit preparations

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This is really interesting. At the moment, just impacting the small number of ultra rich house owners but as is the way with the property market, if this gathers momentum, it could turn into a significant market correction.

Not a bad thing in itself as house prices are way over inflated but it will sober minds somewhat as many are banking on their house being their pension asset when they retire or at the very least, hope to use some of the capital liberated in downsizing to fund their children's house buying prospects.

Up to 25% wiped off house prices in some of UK's wealthiest areas

I have a friend in Twickenham trying to sell her house at the moment and she is getting offers £150,000+ below the asking price. When she asked her agent why such low offers, they replied "Brexit".

Oh dear ..

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Fantastic news for first time house buyers, ya go brexit:cleader:

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Not when those first time buyers are getting their essential deposit from their parents who have downsized to liberate these funds ... :dozey:

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+1 Well said.

Can only be a good thing.We have started to see the positive effects of Brexit already and we are not even at March 29th yet :):)

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Their parents should have bought low and sold high,it's their own fault for relying on the housing market for future finances.

What is the saying "You can't choose your parents"

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Well, to a degree you can, i got shot of mine at age eighteen with no regrets.

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If you are a first time buyer in Kensington and Chelsea or Westminster with a couple of hundred grand deposit then yes;

Going to be great for foreign investors though - a 20-25% drop plus a 10% drop in the GBP:USD and GBP:EUR rates

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Did you just make that up?

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Sad but unavoidable.

Sorry but I have very little sympathy for anyone who speculates on the property market, even when it’s the value of their own home they’re speculating on.

Houses are for living in, not for those who already have the means to purchase to bet on, forcing everyone else into life-long rental.

If Brexit slashes a third off house prices in the U.K. then that is to the long-term benefit of society.

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:clap:

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Like the Government wouldn't intervene if house prices fell too much. The governments housing policy for years has been to prop up the house market as much as possible lest values fall and screw over the economy and their voter base. The government would sooner find ways to extract more money from the young before they dare let house prices fall.

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I agree with you 100% but many may not and as such, this potential price drop would add another parameter to the mix ...

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looking like planB is exactly same as planA with trying to redo backstop with all ready been ruled out by EU she not moving one bit so this crisis gonna last for long time yet

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By the very same logic Let's round up all the feckless workshy and put them in chain gangs, because let's face it it's to the long-term benefit of society.

Of course both my and your posts are grotesquely wrong due to sweeping generalisations being made with no attention paid to the underlying mechanics and knock on issues.

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Ah, PBINO. :D

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Nope, see here - https://www.finder.com/uk/brexit-pound

The last date on that chart was 2nd January so I have taken todays rates from Google

On 23rd June 2016, £1=$1.46. Now it's $1.29. 11.2% drop
On 23rd June 2016, £1=€1.28. Now it's €1.13. 11.7% drop

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Amazing that some house prices have 'fallen' by almost 500k

In many areas, that alone would buy you a 5 bed detached with double garage and swimming pool :D

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According to Channel 5, a poll shows that 1.6 million people have ended their relationship with their partner because of differing views about Brexit!

16% of people have found the subject to have caused a strain with friends, relatives and colleagues (with 2% saying that they have completely cut off people because of Brexit.)

Does anyone here have a different opinion to their partner and how have you handled it?

I think it's rather an extreme reaction, but it does go to show how passionate people are about this subject. I've not known such a divisive issue since the miners strike.

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+1