Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alex @ Phorm

Please can you advise when the unedited footage from the PIA Town Hall Meeting will be released as promised?

Alex !@ Phorm

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi Alex @ Phorm

When are you going to answer the questions that I PM'd you weeks and weeks ago - that you promised you would answer?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So employees have opted to exercise share options.

I'm not a financial analyst, won't this further dilute the value of the shares? (ie, if there are more shares, the value of each share is less, albeit a small %)

Would this also explain the hike in the share price around the 12?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I hope you aren't suggesting Phorm and/or its employees are involved in anything shady:erm:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

He's gone...


very shy aren't they

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

They like cockroaches only come out when all dark quite, but soon as you turn a light on them scurry away.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

He has perhaps managed to copy the next report to his boss Kent about our wonderful work, Hope the royalties for webdesigners has a patent in or Kent might try to hijack that. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I suppose that is what Kent meant when he says that phorm wants to be open and transparent. More BS from the spymaster.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

the only reference i can find is to the 2007 Phorm's annual report

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article...5141255054369U
"
RNS Number : 4369U
Phorm Inc
14 May 2008

14 May 2008
Phorm, Inc.

Annual Report and Accounts

Phorm (AIM: PHRM and PHRX), the advertising technology company, today announces that it has published its annual report and accounts for the year ended 31 December 2007 and hard copies have been posted to shareholders.

In addition, the annual report and accounts are available on the Company's website www.phorm.com.
"


http://www.phorm.com/investors/reports.php
30 Apr 2008 2007 Final Results
10 Apr 2008 2007 Final Results RNS

http://www.phorm.com/reports/2007_Final_Results.pdf

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its NebuAd as i pointed out last night/early this morning here
#6545

"
NebuAd signed up with charter in the US coverage today, it got /. 'ed too

and they are holding a NebuAd public meeting in several US places apparently....

perhaps some US users will get to these, and video tape the WHOLE meeting for proof later of any tech quotes etc.

that info might come in handy for the Uk NebuAd launch if it ever happens here OC.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...geted-ads.html
Charter "enhances" Internet service with targeted ads


http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1832256
Charter Is Latest ISP To Plan Wiretapping Via DPI
"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Take that scandalous remark back!!!

How dare you! write Ertugrul and his nightteam a personal letter of apology! And promise not lift any more rocks at Phorm HQ

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Dephormation , it seems like an interesting idea to me if you can find some live Charter users in the US that will allow you to VNC in or get them to setup a proxy on their userside connection for your use to gather as much information as you can get.

some full wireshark data capture might be very useful too perhaps,later.

any US Charter users here that have this NebuAd active on your connection reading this thread, hold you hands up and get involved ;)

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perhaps someone can even make a small self contained VirtualBox image with all the required apps installed to help the non/less tech users run a temp DPI ISP busting data collection node for gathering the data they dont want the end users to know about.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Technically speaking, cockroaches are scavengers, not parasites... as will be made clear in a forthcoming treatise on the topic.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/05/14.png

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What is really interesting is the timing. The stock has taken a battering recently, with a resurgence last Friday barely taking it back to the mean. An employee deciding to exercise their options at this relatively low price compared to the dizzy highs of Februay 14th???!!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Electronic Commerce Regulations 2002 make the following provision

Caching
18. Where an information society service is provided which consists of the transmission in a communication network of information provided by a recipient of the service, the service provider (if he otherwise would) shall not be liable for damages or for any other pecuniary remedy or for any criminal sanction as a result of that transmission where -

(a) the information is the subject of automatic, intermediate and temporary storage where that storage is for the sole purpose of making more efficient onward transmission of the information to other recipients of the service upon their request, and

(b) the service provider -

(i) does not modify the information;

(ii) complies with conditions on access to the information;

(iii) complies with any rules regarding the updating of the information, specified in a manner widely recognised and used by industry;

(iv) does not interfere with the lawful use of technology, widely recognised and used by industry, to obtain data on the use of the information; and

(v) acts expeditiously to remove or to disable access to the information he has stored upon obtaining actual knowledge of the fact that the information at the initial source of the transmission has been removed from the network, or access to it has been disabled, or that a court or an administrative authority has ordered such removal or disablement.

Who else is coming to the Bahamas with me? :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

A good route might be to contact the tech support departments at US Universities. They will have tech savvy people who may have Nebuad infestation on their home connections.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Excuse me if this has already been posted but has anybody read this?

http://blog.iwr.co.uk/2008/05/behaviour-model.html

Interesting statement near the end of the article.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

"there is no way around it, they will do what they want and damn the webmasters wishes"

I heard on the Badphorm grapevine there is a sensational new industry standard about to be announced that will eliminate this dilemma once and for all.

It will solve the problem for web masters who want to protect their content, and those who want to participate in Phorm.

Rumour suggests it will be announced tonight, or perhaps tomorrow. I'll let you know as soon as I do.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

May help to digg this up - Nebuad - quite old though

http://digg.com/tech_news/ISPs_Sneak...ing_Experience

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't think this has been posted yet. Charles Arthur on Charter and (nebuad?)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolo...p_charter.html

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What I want to know is how they going to not profile my kids in or out they still mirror and profile but no ads.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I can confidently tell you that BT have ignored that question completely because I don't think they know the answer. They don't KNOW about your kids. They have no way of knowing who they are - you are just an account and some sub-accounts. They could announce a method linked to the BTYahoo Parental Controls, but they haven't - not sure whether it would work anyway.

Scenario one - a win98 computer which the whole family uses, one computer login/browser profile, different ISP mail or homepage logins. Hopeless - the kid could respond and opt-in, and you'd never know but everyone's browsing would be profiled, and ads targetted to everyone together.

Scenario two - an XP or Vista or MAC or Linux ? computer, different user accounts per family member, again - the kid could login on their own account and opt-in, they would all have their own user profiles and separate cookie lists, but the IP address would be common to everyone as would presumably the traffic routing. Even if primary account holder did NOT opt-in, presumably if someone else DID opt-in, everyones traffic from that IP address would be routed via the profiler? Depends on the exact opt-in solution adopted by BT which they aren't telling us so they don't have to answer those questions.

There are a shedload of detailed questions that need to be thrown at the ISP's once the actual Webwise model to be used, is announced - the first chance will be the model chosen for the trials - they will say they haven't decided on final implementation but they will still have to demonstrate that the trial itself avoids some of these questions particularly those involving minors.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

in related news, this seems odd
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...sense_account/
"Google kills Anonymous AdSense account

How Scientology funded the anti-Scientology movement

By Cade Metz in San Francisco → More by this author
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Published Wednesday 14th May 2008 18:52 GMT

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"While going through our records recently, we found that your AdSense account has posed a significant risk to our AdWords advertisers," read Google's letter to Enturbulation, a kind of home base for the now famous Anonymous movement. "Since keeping your account in our publisher network may financially damage our advertisers in the future, we've decided to disable your account."

Of course, it's not Enturbulation's fault that Google was serving the site pro-Scientology ads. AdSense automatically chooses ads based on a site's content. And like any AdSense advertiser, the Church of Scientology has the power to ban its ads from individual domains.

Google did not respond to our requests for comment. But it should be noted that the company's new AdSense policies say that partner sites may not include "advocacy against any individual, group, or organization."
...
"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't worry, the Information Commissioner has been given 'assurances' by Phorm... and is leaving it to 'technical experts' like us (apparently Phorm is engaging with us... I haven't seen them answer a question for around 2 months). Rather than wasting money investigating Phorm out of their own budget. :rolleyes:

The Information Commissioner apparently accepts that children under 16 can be allowed to surf the internet while being profiled, (opted in or out), as long as they are being supervised at all times by an irresponsible adult.

And if those requirements are breached, as in 2006/7, the ICO accepts BT's excuse that the scale of the crime was 'on the small side' and though illegal no one found out so that's ok.

So, in other words, an individuals right to opt in/out isn't sufficiently important to warrant any action at all, let alone 38,000+ people. So opt out why don't you. And if you find they profiled your kids anyway? Who do you think you are going to call to complain?

Good luck, I'm still waiting for a reply to my email.

Pete.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This was asked at the meeting and Kent used his spintacular skills to waffle on whilst making sure to not actually answer the question.

Phorm, video please? *sound of crickets*, *a bird sings*...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

When all net ads are served by two or three big systems, the big advertisers will then decide which sites are denied advertising funding. It's the way to go, have a nice day.

Simon Davies tectonic shift.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Let’s face it, you can chew the fat forever and a day about the deployment of the Phorm/Webwise software, but I feel it will change nothing. The heat has gone out of the fight both here and at El Reg.

There does not appear to be any effective legal or commercial challenge. Big businesses like BT/VM can generally do what they like, especially when the Government and the Law are not really interested (it is way too small an issue to be high on their agenda). In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if the Government would support such deployment as it would tie in nicely with their anti-terrorist paranoia, especially following Browns proposed Communications Data Bill. Add to that that the ICO have effectively endorsed the system if 'opt-in' is utilised.

Most people in the UK are so used to being manipulated, screwed, ripped-off and spied upon, they no longer have the heart or tools to fight, even if they knew what was going on.

We here who know of these things are a minority. Your majority internet punter won’t have a clue and will be sucked into any opt-in, EULA or change in T&Cs to allow this crap with the seductive promise of a 'safer surfing experience'.

On the other hand BT & VM would probably love to be rid of us (the geeks) who are a thorn in their side and more than likely the greatest users of their bandwidth.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nice and pessimistic of you, I've heard this echoed more than once as well unfortunately.

I for one though will never surrender and will take a few of the less well informed with me. I have been quiet here for the most part now but have been working where I can to inform and guide opinion on phorm in those around me. The more I can spread this to in person the better.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry Basa, I totally disagree. If you feel heat has gone out of the fight, it can only be because the heat is now on the other side of the fence.

I am certain BT know they are in deep poo in many respects, and I suspect they are desperately trying to find IMHO an unsolvable answer to make Phorms interception somehow legal to at least show some face. The hole they have been digging is getting deeper.

It may seem quiet at times but I strongly believe behind the scenes, movement is ongoing. I consider it the calm before the storm! Virgin media seem to be coming to their senses according to rumours. Kent is not welcome!

The bottom line is Phorm is a can of worms from the top of the tin to the bottom and anybody who wants to eat from this can deserves the full force of any action that follows.

ps.
Anybody know where's the video that was promised by that forked tongue Slipperyman?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I disagree Basa.

Yes, it's like swans/ducks on a lovely tranquil stream... they are gliding along beautifully - but this is whilst paddling like the clappers beneath the surface trying to stay afloat and in an effort to maintain movement in the right direction.

Might look calm Basa, but believe me, I know the corporates, and behind the doors... it really isn't! :D

---------- Post added at 23:46 ---------- Previous post was at 23:41 ----------

We still wait...

Questions for Written Answers - Asked 24 April (Answers due 8 May)

1. Earl of Northesk to ask Her Majesty’s Government which law enforcement agency, Department or other statutory body has responsibility for investigating and prosecuting possible criminal breaches of (a) the Data Protection Act 1998, (b) the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, and (c) the Computer Misuse Act 1990. [HO] HL3267

2. Earl of Northesk to ask Her Majesty’s Government whether any official or Minister in the Home Office has offered written or oral advice to any executive of the company Phorm as to the legality of their targeted advertising software product; if so, what was the advice; in what circumstances was it given; and what was the justification for giving it. [HO] HL3268

Battle is lost is it Basa? Not yet sir! The answers will come. And yes, they are paddling those webbed feet furiously at Government offices, BT and Phorm HQ.

---------- Post added at 23:53 ---------- Previous post was at 23:46 ----------

I've asked why there is such a delay answering the first question of the Earl above...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/contact-us

I could sware that one of those was originally allocated as a question to be answered by the 'CO' (Cabinet Office') previously? Will have to check back on my posts here. Wonder when they will finally answer these questions. Big questions with consequences hopefully!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The joys of keyword matching. On the BadPhorm forum, serial has already suggested a most-inappropriately-placed-ad competition, to provide light relief for anyone who gets caught up in a Phorm trial.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This topic fired up on the web, blogs etc, then calmed but never subsided. We now have questions asked in parliament and at the european commission. This initial web based fight has been brought forward into real political/legal discussion. We have already changed the launch of the "legal" BT trials, we have already changed CPW to go opt-in and we have possibly changed Virgin to drop Phorm.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well said ..... :clap:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's their move

We've got nothing to do but wait so why not chew the fat?

Don't forget that nothing, yet, has been implemented, even the ICO cannot, as they've already stated, make any further judgements until they can assess the product whilst it's being trialled...

Until something happens, there is no Webwise / Phorm, it's all just words and Kent's propaganda isn't it?

It's their turn to throw the stone and get the pool to ripple

Only then will they give us more ammunition –

I just think that right now the ISP's are wondering how they're going to pull this off without breaking a whole load of laws, knowing that they can no longer depend on nobody noticing, which, from what has transpired, they were kind of relying on when they were first approached by Phorm.


Bring it on...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And while I am clapping, two for Alexander Hanff as well for his tireless efforts on this forum.:clap::clap:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://www.newstatesman.com/200804240018

Bloody priceless :)
Its gonna have to be good to beat that.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Stop being so spineless :)

Get a grip.

There is nothing to fight yet. So you build defences. Gather intelligence. Prepare your countermeasures. Rehearse and test your offensive/defensive strategy. Ignore the enemy bait and misdirection. And strike hard when the anticipated opportunities are presented.

Currently BT have been unable to make a single effective move, so powerful has the campaign against them been.

So let me ask you this question instead; where's the heat gone out of BT and Virgin's fight?

Sucks to be you BT and Virgin :)

Pete

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No one can argue with that one Alexander has been relentless in the battle to protect individuals from being phormed,classified and edited.


:clap::clap:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Unfortunately, the Internet abhors a vacuum and is starting to fill that vacuum with guff. For example, look at the article Your Privacy for Sale: Internet Providers Cash In.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/23.png In fact it is already being used by three of the biggest Internet Service Providers in the UK … BT, Talk Talk and Virgin Media are currently using this software… https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/24.png

:rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That is the big problem with adverts decided by parsing text.

Anti gun web pages vs pro gun web pages in America. They will both get the pro gun adverts! (you don't make money with anti gun adverts)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If the phorm/webwise system goes ahead I suspect it will only hurry the deployment of a secure https web...something this (or any other) government would probably rather not have.

Having read the replies to your post do your still feel as though the heart has gone out of the fight?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

How's this for Horrific (men you have been warned)

http://feministing.com/archives/003498.html

:shocked:


(I thought of this place immediately ads from there I would not want to see but if it's OTT I'll edit!)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think its a little OTT but if we could devise a lie detector test with this placed in a certain persons renal area with the device designed to trigger when economic truths or outright lies were spoken verbally or in electronic 'form' I would turn a blind eye.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That'd make Kents eyes water :D
Live webcast?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Required lie-detector could be a simple motion sensor attached to his lips.;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's the quiet times that are the most interesting. It's when the answers to the emails DON'T come back quickly that you know things are happening. It's when the trials get delayed, that you know there is a LOT going on.

Never misread the silence - it might be nine months pregnant.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The joy of simplicity :)

---------- Post added at 07:48 ---------- Previous post was at 07:44 ----------

Also, if I don't get a response from the computer crime unit in this mornings post I will start working on a letter to the Metropolitan Police Authority.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well if there is a vacuum to be filled do as I've done and help them fill it (you can post comments on that site without registering). Could someone else post comments linking to sites telling the truth about the matter - the more different posters the better.

We must make sure that every article we see in every website/publication gets a response from us.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It was the Metropolitan Police who prosecuted Clive Goodman for intercepting Royal voicemail... which seems a trivial thing to do in comparison to the trials in 2006/7.

I couldn't find out which force prosecuted Stanford, but I found this QC's CV.

The Royal Family got justice. Its well past time 38,000+ ordinary people had the same protection IMHO.

Update; This article claims the 'UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit' prosecuted Stanford...
Update #2; NHTCU disbanded in 2006 replaced by e-Crime Unit of SOCA

Pete

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Zen 8000 Active account, here I come :D

MAC Code received from BT, ordered Zen account 5 minutes ago (I've had the code a couple of weeks but no money in my account). Even now, when I said the reason for me leaving was 'Phorm', the service bod hadn't heard of them and didn't know what it was about - I think I may have sounded a little cynical at this point in the conversation - (the belly-laugh/snort gave me away I think).

Who the hell do they think they're kidding? Still, it's better than being asked what I have to hide :P

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You want to implant spikes in a 'certain person's' kidneys?
Nasty :P

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Has anyone read this in Canada looks like privacy is becoming hot topic around the world.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...g_and_privacy/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

slip of the pen :dozey: renal should read rectal. :dunce:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yeah I was reading that yesterday, I noticed in the comments:

Not sure how you'd fight that, apart from encouraging a mass migration to an ISP with different policies - but do they exist? It's sad that Canada lack our legislation protecting privacy, another point on our side is that the UK government are far from in bed with BT or any ISP (if that were the case I'm sure the taxpayer would be contributing towards a fibre optic rollout by now).

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Interesting information. Needless to say that I haven't received a response at all from the computer crime unit of the metropolitan police and IIRC I posted the letter about 3 weeks ago or more. Most disappointing but hardly surprising. This afternoon and tomorrow I will work on a letter to the Metropolitan Police Authority complaining about the lack of an investigation. I just wish I had been part of illegal trials of 2006 and 2007 as then I could really push this avenue hard.

On another note, just to update people, its now fast approaching the 8 week mark since I posted my letter to Liberty so if past information is correct about them usually taking 8 weeks to respond I hope to have a reply from them shortly.

I have also yet to receive any kind of response from the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals which I am very surprised about given the considerably thorny issue of consent vis-a-vis library internet access.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Everybody is in limbo until something happens. Phorm have displayed some intelligence in switching off the counter-productive PR exercise but the damage has been done and hundreds if not thousands are waiting to act when the system goes live.

When it goes live it will almost certainly rank as number one reason for everything from slow surfing to area wide outages. It will almost certainly be portrayed, on help forums, as the first reason of choice for everything bad and complaints will prove costly for the ISP's. Just like the transparent caches were hated, multiply the spyware by any large factor you choose.

VM saw a mass exodus when it had an argument with Sky over programs and I suspect that Phorm could be far more damaging, over time.

There is a very strong possibility that the relativity new UK phenomena of class action suits could come into play over the Phorm issue. A few thousand disgruntled customers banding together to employ the best legal and technical minds available with a challenge to the very thin ice legality of ISP violation of privacy could easily see one or more ISP's into bankruptcy.

The ISP's have good reason to be very fearful because the Phorm issue has triggered powerful emotions and they stand a chance of being the target of the public's "we have had enough of the spying culture" revenge.

The ISP's are motivated by greed and are potentially going to employ a cavalier attitude toward their customers. They are ultimately responsible if they allow the hardware to be connected and they will face the backlash. The failure of most large companies and governments can be attributed to one decision that went too far (10p tax rates) that seemed like a good idea at the time. Liaison with a spy company may prove to be a catastrophe of director's ego over commonsense and see the eventual deployment of many golden parachutes.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Erm

I'd like to say thank you to the people who've kept the "BT Webwise Discussion Thread" constantly on visible on page one of the BT Support Forum (you know who you are)
http://beta.bt.com/bta/forums/forum....ID=110&start=0
No longer drawing comments from the management, the posts in the thread, discussing topics often raised here, must be excruciating at times for the moderators to read. Well done for keeping up the relentless pressure and, of course supplying a constant update of events relating to Webwise (that BT would rather not be made common knowledge) to BT Support forum users.

I often imagine "Mark W" cringing as he reads some of the posts!

:clap:


:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

We wil continue until phorm admit defeat and leave the shores if Phorm stays and some ISPs deploy then I say leave the ISP then phorm has nothing to phormulate into clickable adverts.

Would be nice if Mark.W and a few BT bods came over to meet us we have a few questions they might be able to help us with. Perhaps someone could hand out the olive branch asking them to join us in a discussion on ethics, privacy, human rights, freedom of choice, webdesigners rights to not conphorm.. would bring a sparkle to the thread infact now I am a BT customer maybe I should sign up :D

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This is what BT have been doing for ages with their Ellacoya kit. Deep packet inspection for QoS on BT Vision and VoiP and for managing traffic shaping.

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We can't even get them to answer questions on the BT forums anymore so I don't think they will come here. But we do invite them....

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The difference there is that there is a valid legal argument that the inspection relates to the provision of the service - VOIP (BTBroadband Talk) or On Demand BTVision. I'm a customer of both with BT.

And I would even go part way on the issue of P2P - if you share a contended pipe with a few rabid filesharers it is quite welcome if their traffic is shaped, or they get throttled a bit during peak hours just so the rest of us can get a reasonable proportion of our theoretically available bandwidth. That too can be justified on the basis of managing the network to provide the service.

But deep packet inspection just to enhance my life with targeted ads? I can't see how that is necessary for the functioning of the ISP service.

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I heartily agree with that.

I don't know if you have kept any logs from bt.broadband.support from last June/July when people were complaining that they were being throttled on port 80. My own tests showed downloads, ftp etc at 6700kps but browsing and anything else on port 80 110kbps. Support seemed to meet a brick wall in obtaining answers and reported that everyone that complained was a heavy downloader. The problem then seemed to fade away.

Was that caused by the Phorm trials, I do hope so. It would give BT a face saving let out.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It was late; I could only manage two of my own sentences in that post. :) Trying to prove a negative is hard. We only know the system hasn’t gone live, because we’re closely following the situation. I’ve thought of something reasonable to say now.

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.. and this is the biggest problem I think ...

I've mentioned Phorm to lots of folk, and as much as I try to explain it, they just don't (or won't) understand .. 'I use a ad-blocker so it won't affect me' is a common response .. completely missing the point, very frustrating!! :banghead:

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got a hdd full of logs of that, I took out my c: hdd cos i thought i had a virus, after ringing help desk and getting all sorts of answers, l formatted twice only for it to still act all funny and redirect unknown ip, which I know what it was now, so replaced the hdds in the end then went on hols never seen it again.

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The author has just responded in the comments section.

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look at http://blog.iwr.co.uk/2008/05/behaviour-model.html

it details what one of the phorm execs has in the way of planned mission creap

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

that last bit sounds like censorship.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

yep, if my reading is correct it will be "the web according to your isp and phorm"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

more bad PR then for them.

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All your base are belong to us


:D

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Over on BadPhorm a couple of weeks ago they were discussing the issue of how BT Retail (the ISP arm of BT) could possible implement a cookie-free solution to the Webwise opt-in/not opt-in dilemma.

They are basically pointing out that without using DPI, without using cookies, and without access to the BT Wholesale part of the network (forbidden them because of competition rules about the different arms of BT) they have a major problem on their hands.

The guys posting are network engineers with experience of the BT network and will be known to regular posters here.

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...26.0#post_5235

Has this been chased up by anyone here?

I've just sent off an email to BT about it and posted over on Beta forums.
I don't remember it being discussed here.

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Shares back to 1,482.50

http://finance.google.co.uk/finance?q=PHRM

Looks like the imminent trial rumour or whatever it was that jacked them up to 1800.00 last Friday turned out to be more BS...

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Tired of waiting around so ive typed up a new and improved version of the BT Webwise system.

Feel free to copy, laugh and basicly enjoy the read, satire comes as standard, till i can work out the monkey angle.

This is a copy of the BT Webwise FAQ from the BT Webwise homepage

About BT Webwise

1. What is BT Webwise?

BT Webwise is a free service that effectively profiles everything you do on the internet, the cost to the end user is nill but conversely so is the benifit.
It is our effort to watch you in the bathroom whilst offering a thinly veiled guise as "MAKAN INTRANETZ MOAR SAFAR."

2. Do I need to download any software to use BT Webwise?

NO! Its already connected to your line and therefore always on, we will however find it usefull in the future to upload software we feel will benifit us to your computer in the future, the future of course being when all this furor calms down.

3. Do I have to have a PC to use BT Webwise?

ANYTHING with a web browser will be fine for us to snoop on, your kids PSP isnt even safe from our watchfull eyes, meaning your child will be safer from the rampant paedophiles that roam the internet and set up fake sites to harvest their data. (any paedophiles interested in gaining this information can now easily telephone our Russian Data Desk in Roystov where our highly trained team will be willing to help on 07 485 7026714)

4. Will this disrupt my service or make browsing slower?

Right now your connection routes almost directly to the webpage you click on, with this new system we will redirect your connection 3 times before transferring you through to your desired page. Thankfully our investors can only compute numbers with a £ before them so we can convince them that it will be faster for "marketability" reasons.

5. Can I use any web browser with BT Webwise?

BT Webwise works with most major browsers, including Internet Explorer, Firefox, Netscape and Opera. Safari is not supported by the BT Webwise (YET but give us time to get over the legal hurdles and we will develop the system more cohesively) system. BT Webwise has been tested and proven to work with the following:

Internet Explorer 5.5, 6.0, 7.0
Firefox 1.0, 1.5, 2.0
Opera 7.54, 8.54, 9.0
Other browsers are a complete unknown, IF YOUR BROWSER FAILS TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET PLEASE CONTANCT SUPPORT VIA OUR FRIENDLY SUPPORT WEBPAGE AT HTTP://BTWEBWISE.COM/SUPPORT-MY-BROKEN-BROWSER.HTM

6. Which parts of BT are considering deploying BT Webwise?

BT Retail Consumer broadband initialy
BT Business broadband will be "Supported" just as soon as we figure out all the angles on this legal fiasco, see businessmen make more money than you retail folks and could actually afford to prevent the masterplan... ehem Webwise.
BT Wholesale is planned for summer 2009, if your wholesale company doesnt like it, screw them we have legitimate reason to require the funds to fix "Last mile connections"

7. How do you know that your customers want BT Webwise?

We carried out thorough research amongst the dumbest people we could find at the local bingo hall, we asked questions such as "Do you know what the internet is?" and if answered NO we proceeded to the next round by asking "do you like scones?" from this we derived our frankly concrete foolproof data.

8. When will you be trialling BT Webwise? And can you give any details?
BT plans technical trials of BT Webwise in April 2008. We will be inviting around 10,000 BT broadband customers to take part in the trial. The trial involves only BT Retail consumer broadband customers; Our business clients are busy people who wouldnt have time to respond to an invite, so we will test the product on them covertly much like we did on Retail costomers previously.


Privacy

9. How does BT Webwise match what I do with adverts?
We dont want to bore you people with technical details, suffice it to say we basicly monitor your connection through a machine which places a "random identifier" on your computer, then it matches this number with everything you do and sends all this to China.
for the record PM Gordon Browns UID is fNNlTAHYR3GkVCzpJf3oIw|| and we now know he has some very niche market fetishes, weve seen the pages Gordy you naughty boy

10. Is BT selling customer data?

We pass on your details to our trusted partner Phorm for a fee, this is then passed on for a price to those it sees fit.

11. Is what you are doing legal?
Legal is such a relative term, a better question would be "is what we are doing likely to generate enough money not to really care? in which case the answer is YES! we are vaguely aware of the legal issues surrounding this technology and will where possable strive to fully ignore these issues as best we can.

12. What is the relationship between BT Webwise, BT's current policy for BT Yahoo customers and the current EU/UK data protection legislation?

The way in which we view data is compliant with our amended privacy policy and EU/UK data- protection legislation. The Information Commissioner has been kept fully informed about BT Webwise, as a side note the ICO also likes "Scones" and is very much a fan of "Bingo." So much so that most of our "Transparent" discussions have tended to completely avoid any issues that would make stakeholders nervous.

13. Can't the anonymisation process be reversed?

No. random computer generated numbers are long and drawn out and as previously explained the only mathmatical ability we posess only works if you add a £ beforehand, it is however highly likely that people external to our company could and probably will crack the cypher and exploit you in unthinkable ways, this is however outwith our control

14. What happens if I don't take or opt out of the BT Webwise service?

We dont make money off your data and our shareholders will be on our case to make the materplan.. ehem Webwise work.
What exactly will happen is entierly unknown, you may or may not be able to connect to the internet (in which case refer to the browser malfunction subect covered on point 5) either way, your not making us money so your therefore "Low Priority" customers.
Wether or not your data will still be monitored is beside the point in this issue, didnt you hear us at the begining? WE MAKE NO MONIES FROM YOU, degraded performance comes as standard to freeloaders.

15. How are BT subscribers' usage details collected?

The system places a "Random number" on your commputer, this is used to destinguish you from all the other battery farmed... ehem Valued users on the system.

We then collect all the things your doing on the internet, from your online purchases, (Jaqui Smith has frequent flyer points at a well known bondage equipment retailer, her "Dungeon" must be legendary in size from the sheer magnitute of purchases) Right down to your bank details and credit card details.

This is then sent to Phorm where they target you with adverts likely to suit your browsing habits, White power Extremists are likely to see adverts based on keywords they comonly use, this will likely infuriate a large number of radical extremist groups, but alas it will improve our bottom line so who cares?

16. Could this system be useful for tracking illegal online activity, etc, through browsing behaviour?

This is a tricky question, i mean certain government bodies can count numbers not prefixed with a £ so they may have a way to locate individual customers.
We however will not report you for trying to purchase "Thermal Nuclear Armaments" or indeed "Weapons of Mass Destruction." You can still purchase your Ricin Gas ingredients with confidence.

17. Why does BT Webwise use cookies?

Because a large blue furry muppet visited us in a dream and told us to, its also the easiest way of confusing people into believing that we cant actualy track individual users, so far its working so fingers crossed no one busts this wide open.

18. Does remaining opted out depend on the continued presence of an opt-out cookie on the user computer? What happens if I delete the cookie?


You can opt out in 2 ways.

1. Visit our page and turn this permanently off, we dont quite understand how to get this feature to work so lets just say it will go active when the system is launched

2. You can block webwise from getting to your machine, this could result in a broken service especialy if you "Tinker with hacker HOSTS file gubbins." again we'll provide details as we figure them out.

19. Isn't that a pain in the neck?

Yes, but like we should kare about your freeloading ass, we dont make any money via advertising from opted out users so will likely find ways of making money in the near future by selling on data as soon as we've got a decent legal team to make a fool proof terms and conditions.

20. What if the BT Webwise opt-out cookie is deleted by an antispyware utility? Will this mean that a customer gets opted in?

Of course, however Phorm is "in discussions" with Antivirus/Spyware vendors, however we know Kent and how he conducts himself at these gigs so the outcome is unlikely, couple this with the fact that major anti-virus/spyware vendors also know Kent from his companies "Colorful" previous history, discussions are liekly to fall on deaf ears.

21. Is my data still viewed when I am not participating?

we will see as much detail as we see with decent profit generating folk.
However we wont be able to target you with specific ad's from partner websites.

22. Are you considering changing your terms and conditions in a fine print in an email to customers (knowing well that most people will ignore it) and suddenly start peeking at every page I visit?

We will communicate with everyone "DURING THE TRIAL" after its been tested however, we may just slip in a clause or twelve to cover ourselves.

23. What are the changes in the terms and conditions?

A new paragraph (paragraph 18) will be added, "regardless of your preference for Scones or indeed Bingo" you fully agree to deliver us "POWER OF ATTOURNEY" and have complete control over your data.

24. Exactly what personally-identifiable information passes from my computer to a third party with BT Webwise?

Absoloutly none, ask AOL they fully agree having experience with a past debacle.
in this case the term absoloutly none, really infers absoloutly EVERYTHING please dont be alarmed


25. How do I permanently stop any of my personal data (which includes the sites I visit) being passed to a third party?

Switch to another IS... I MEAN NO WAIT... UM... KENT YOU ASSHAT YOU TOLD ME IT WOULDNT COME TO THIS!
UM... yes, I AM A FISH! there! you like scones and bingo and im a fish! see? its simple, ramble on enough and people forget the original point of a question and therefore you can sidestep the entire argument.

26. What information does BT Webwise collect about browsing behaviour?

Everything, WE CAN SEE THE ENTIRE INTERNET, in the words of the executive officer.
This is good, dont believe otherwise, any naysayers are trying to confuse you!
We have your best interests at heart, right below our desire for money.

27. Does BT Webwise store a customer's IP address?

Not as such.

28. What's to stop a rogue employee of BT or Phorm collecting the data and selling it?

Nothing, but its far more interesting to speculate on the Chinese and Russians in this case, blame can easily be shifted.

29. Do you collect any information that can identify me by name, address or any other personally-identifying information?

Nah.. well i mean yes but the answer is no.

30. How does BT Webwise make sure that it does not collect personally-identifiable information?
This is a good question and due to the extensive ways in which this is prevented we could write an entire 10k page document on the subject.

Bear in mind that when we attempted to get the monkies to sit at the typewriter and repeat "dear god not this question again" one of our employees lost a finger, another an eye and the monkies blatantly refused to cooperate, as such no such lengthy document exists.

31. What parties in the equation get the raw information about subscribers' activity?

Purely external devious, cunning, criminals get the raw data, this is of course outside the scope of our control.

32. Will you use 'collective marketing' information, such as what advertising appears to be the most popular at particular times?

DAMN THATS A GOOD QUESTION, can people actualy do this? you mean people will pay us to do this?
Sweet, then the answer is "Unclear please ask later" *SHAKE*SHAKE*SHAKE um.. "Outlook is good."
Man these 8Balls are hoot.

33. Can the service access private e-mails, webmails and other personal identifying information I enter into web forms?

Well of course, thats where the best gritty details lie, of course our official stance is "NO" and again we could have written a document stating how this was possable but the monkies acted up again and actualy ate the paper and several keys from the typewriters.
I was hoping to sell the complete works of shakespear on ebay but it looks like i lucked out again.

34. If I type a postal address into a form, is that data passed on by BT to Phorm or one of their partners?

GOD DAMNED MONKIES they just refuse to cooperate, maybe trade in chimps for orangutans, they love Scones right?
Again the answer is "NO" cough... how we go about this is very technical and boring.

35. What is BT Webwise doing about password-protected areas of websites?

Desperately trying to figure a way to utilise SSL data in some meaningful way, untill such times as this is a possability the answer is NO! unless of course its an unsecure website, in which case the answer is still no however we dont really know how to implement this.

36. If Phorm/Webwise doesn't capture form data, how does it collect search engine queries?

Um well, again orangutans are very volitile creatures, you would think with the abundance of ginger fur and a face that looks like a burst inner tube they would have a sense of humour... YOU WOULD BE WRONG as several of my coworkers will attest to.

We really need to solve this monkey problem because these long documents wont write themselves.

37. When will the Phorm software source code that is to be inserted into BT Webwise hardware on BT's network be independently audited/inspected, and by whom?

We have an "inhouse branch" called BT Security working feverently on the source code, Phorm have made assurances that it will be available to audit by external parties and that thay should "PUBLISH OR BE DAMNED" its a good phrase, but apparently nothing more than a phrase.

38. How long is any/all user data stored by Webwise/Phorm software on your Webwise/Phorm servers.

Well thats entirely open to speculation, if you mean the actual data then tis halflife is a couple of milliseconds (read an eternity in computer cycles) and as for the DEBUG data, well lets just move on shall we?

About BT Webwise Anti-fraud feature

39. How does BT Webwise help protect customers against online fraud?

By doing the same as any modern browser, only we make money from it! IN YOUR FACE BILLY GATES! nah nah nah i bet you wish you had though of it first.

40. How does the anti-fraud feature work?

Well we maintain a database of sites where hapless users have been previously "PWNED" your connection is halted whilst we check through our extensive list of blacklisted sites. Depending on the size it could take you a fortnight of waiting before our system parses the million long plain text list before connecting you.

Dont worry, your connection is important to us (as this gives us money) your sanity however is surplus to requirments.

Bear in mind that this list of sites is not extensive, new sites come online every day and as such you will most likely still be had by devious miscreants.
if you find yourself "up a creek without ample propulsion" then please report this to http://btwebwise.com/halp-ive-been-p...ershnitzel.htm
Where we will update our list (as soon as those god damned filthy apes tow the line)

41. I already have anti-virus and anti-spam software installed. Why do I need additional security from BT Webwise?

Good for you, if i can just refer you to stare at this dot > . < for the next ten minuites so that we can repair the huge gaping holes in our thinly veiled guise.

42. Why doesn't BT just block fraudulent sites?

Warning is better than blocking at this point, however this is something that will be looked into in the future, just as soon as we can figure out how to clasify "Unsavory" content as Phishing sites.
Currently in talks with China as they seem to be clued up on this technique.

43. Can legitimate sites be accidentally listed by BT Webwise?

Yes but we hope that this doesnt happen untill we have our collective asses covered legaly.

44. Will BT Webwise stop all fraudulent sites?

LOL NO, are you stupid? wait i mean um... damn.
If i may refer your gazing eye to this here smoke machine and well look as some of these rotating mirrors! arent they lovely? well apart from the apes greasy pawprints and the streaks.

45. My web browser already provides anti-fraud protection. Will this work with BT Webwise?

we will either complement each other, entirely block the internet from working, or set your house on fire from a "division by zero error" the outcome is unclear at this point.

About BT Webwise relevant advertising

46. How does BT Webwise's relevant advertising feature work?

We effectively steal websites content in order to generate a list of words that may interest you.

This is then fed in to a big box and linked to your cookie, when you browse a site that uses our technology we will replace the adverts on that page with ones that closely fit into these phrases.

What Neo-nazi wouldnt love adverts about gaining tickets to the gay parade?

47. Does it matter which ads I see?

Course it does, i mean if your unlikely to click on our junk then we wont generate nearly as much money.

Imagine a world where you see adverts for various Scones and pasrty products and not just bingo but also lotto! it will be a revoloution and completely expand your horizons.

48. Will BT Webwise change the ads I see when using BT Vision?

Not yet but we have boffins working day and night under the watchfull gaze of the chimpanzees who proved to agressive to be of use as clerks and therefore got promoted to "BT Security."

49. Does BT have any say on nature or content of the adverts that are shown or what companies Phorm is doing business with? Does BT Webwise allow campaigns related to adult or illegal activities?

No, we only act as a middle man to the wider system.
We will not allow advertising in the following categories:

* tobacco
* drugs
* alcohol
* pornography
* gambling (except National Lottery)
* UK political parties.

Untill of course they pony up and give us some real source of income.

50. How can I check whether BT Webwise is on or off?

simply visit http://btwebwise.com/wtf-is-going-on-in-here-now.html and you can click on or off.
It will deploy a cookie which will keep opting you in should it become deleted or expire.

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*continuation*

51. How do I switch BT Webwise on or off?

see above (50) as to the process.

52. Will all users of my broadband connection be affected if I click 'BT Webwise Off' or 'BT Webwise On'?

YES and NO, and IT DEPENDS.
Children under 16 wont be affected at all, details as soon as the orangutans reach the "sweet spot" between sedation and functionality

Everyone else on your network will be snooped upon regardless of their wishes.

53. What happens when I switch off BT Webwise?

THE WORLD WILL COLAPSE IN ON ITSELF AND CRUSH EVERY LIVING THING ON THE PLANET, THE PRESSURE WILL INCREASE EXPONENTIALY AND THE PLANET WILL BURST INTO FLAMES IN A MATTER OF SECONDS.

Phorm

55. What is Phorm?

Phorm is a spyware company. It is focused on circumventing user privacy to offer a more relevant internet advertising experience, and more value for advertisers, publishers, internet service providers and others in the online ecosystem.

Users are cattle and content is grain.

56. What's Phorm's connection to Russia and China?

Currently "Ballsdeep."

57. Does Webwise runs its own Javascript software on the users' machines? (relates to a Phorm patent where it claims it can do this)

Not at this time, monkey woes, legal issues etc.
Please be patient and give us time in order to radicaly alter your internet experience.

PS: could any animal handlers currently looking for gainfull employment please fill out the form on http://btwebwise.com/im-sick-of-losi...rs-to-apes.htm

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ROFL!

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Chroma that was hilarious and fantastic. Good work :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Chroma. Fabulous work. Very funny indeed. I cannot find a smilie icon to bow to you. Clapping will have to do. But notice how the hands don't stop moving!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Hank

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Where is Simon from 80/20 Thunking ?

We are still waiting for the video's Simon !!!!! Who owns thew video's if its Kent's Krew then we may never see them.

Ho hum the bunch of ****.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

38k? That's a very old figure. According to BT the figure is more like 128k.

Alexander Hanff

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Alexander, are you nipping Down there to chat with The Earl of Northesk,The Earl of Erroll,Baroness Miller of Hendon, Terri Dowty ,etc on the afternoon/night...!

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Sorry I have been quiet today I was in bed all day with an horrific migraine.

Alexander Hanff

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Unfortunately I can't the coffers are empty :/ I have just emailed Nicholas Bohm though to ask if there is any chance of video coverage of the event.

Alexander Hanff

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Just make sure 80/20 don't arrange the video or you may never see it Mr Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It looks like a worthwhile meeting for Alex/Someone to attend

I will pledge a tenner towards the train fare if Alex wants to attend

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

In AD 2008
Phorm was beginning..
Kent: what happen?
PhormUKPRTeam: Someone set us up the bomb. We get signal.
Kent: what!
80/20 Thinking: Main screen turn on.
Kent: It's you!!
Cable Forum: How are you gentelmen? All your base are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction.
Kent: What you say?
Cable Forum: You have no chance to survive make your time.
HA HA HA HA...

GO ZIG!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry to hijack this thread slightly ... but I thought you should know that once you've buried Phorm you all might have to take on Mozilla :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Totally different problem even if it turned out to be true. No different to Google toolbar tracking, which of course I can opt out of very simply by not using it.

I will concentrate on removing the real invasive threat of Phorm/Webwise and its slippery team of misinformation spin merchants.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well as I never use FF, have no need of Google toolbar and have swapped my VM account for Sky (best move I ever made btw ;) ) all these 'tracking' scumballs can go stick it where the sun don't shine. I don't see why I should have to 'opt-out' of anything. :mad:

My PC is mine, I built the f***ing thing, I pay for my bandwidth, I don't want these parasites watching me ... unless they are going to pay me good money (even then I prefer my privacy .. just because) :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:rofl:


Nice adaptation! That came out in 2001 - I didn't think anyone had been surfing as long as me...

:D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Zero Wing is an all time classic...I'm glad you mentioned it!! :hyper:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Check out this site - I wonder if OIX serve any of these ads:


http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/advertising_future/page1



:D



EDIT: There's a Phorm ad half way down this page - http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/advertising_future/page3

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'll admit, I've had a beer or two, but I'm sure I saw a mention of Phorm on the big screen at the Carlisle - Leeds match on Sky tonight.

Anyone with less blurry eyes able to conphirm?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Lol cool :) Uuum..that Wipe-O-matic, can you get one yet? Not for me honest, for a friend.... :erm:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

At last! Well we've being trying to get various phorm stories onto digg but none have managed to get more than a few diggs. However, now the NebuAd / Charter story has made it into the digg top 10 http://digg.com/tech_news/Watch_Out_..._Do_On_The_Web

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There may well be a few BT executives involved in the illegal Phorm trials that may be interested as well.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Anyone here actually played the game? It's a bit naff :P

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...er_and_nebuad/

Arrogant Get!




Had to comment on that...

;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Interesting to compare this from Simon D, 80/20

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post5603.html

with this from BT forum. Peter N, 4.40pm, May 15

http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/me...ID=21653#21653

"I said it previously...

Rather than have an opt-in/opt-out process, Bt should offer Webwise as a browser add-on - maybe a nice little toolbar - and people who want it can download it and agree to a EULA. All of the monitoring and data analysis could be done on the user's own PC. The application could then request adverts accordingly when webpages are accessed from Phorm's customers.
...."

I wonder if 80/20 have drawn some conclusions that Kent does not like?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yeah I read that and immediately thought MyWay.MyWebSearch, CoolWebSearch, FunWebProducts (all toolbar based spyware/adware) :shocked:

Who in their right mind would install a parasite like that? Normally this stuff ends up on a machine because it's silently installed running from malicious javascript on an "injected" web page!

You don't think Simon offered that to Phorm as a legal alternative do you?

Wow...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's an option for people who genuinely want a more targetted advertising experience. :angel:

It does hit the nail on the head though. If people wanted this, they would opt-in and download. Why do it any other way, unless of course, they don't want it.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

God - that could've come straight from K*nts "My Little Book of Spin"

:D