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It's self-evident why it's harder for a new entrant. First they have to outbid the incumbents - therefore exceed the value that another organisation has placed on the rights. An existing organisation, with an established customer base, and a profitable business model on day 1. In the case of Sky one probably an organisation that places a price premium on these rights above all others as being essential to it's business model.
Amazon is hardly a minnow. It has much deeper pockets than Sky and BT put together. I think you have a mental block on this. If it’s profitable for Sky and BT, how about you telling us why it cannot also be profitable for Amazon?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051795)

Amazon wouldn't be profitable on day 1. Not does it have a 12 months sports offering. So immediately it's losing money in year 1 it needs to get back by year 3. No guarantee of retaining rights after all. If it's that easy Netflix will have them, or Facebook.

So you ask yourself how to best use £5bn scratching a hole in your pocket. You look elsewhere.

The beauty of streaming services is that you don’t need to worry about filling schedules. Amazon would save the costs of running a channel - absolutely no fillers required. Amazon would have the certainty of a 3-year deal, and if it did not succeed in getting another, they would simply stop streaming. Sky would be floundering about how to fill their Sky Sports channel schedules.

Sorry, jfman, but your arguments do not stack up.

As for Netflix, they have no interest in screening live sport - it is not their scene. But any other streaming service with an interest could come in and make a bid. If they are confident they can poach the Sky/BT subscribers and generate further subscriber interest through offering lower price packages for fewer matches, why would they not?

jfman

27-09-2020 19:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051799)

What part of ‘testing the waters’ do you not understand?

Testing the waters at minimal cost is a completely different kettle of fish from a £5bn+ investment. This is obvious to everyone but you.

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There's plenty of filler content on streaming services. Age old BBC/ITV repeats.

If you think that the cost of filler content is a major barrier to entry then you're massively mistaken.

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Sorry, jfman, but your arguments do not stack up.

As for Netflix, they have no interest in screening live sport - it is not their scene. But any other streaming service with an interest could come in and make a bid. If they are confident they can poach the Sky/BT subscribers and generate further subscriber interest through offering lower price packages for fewer matches, why would they not?

They could make a bid, and as you claim it's easy money, why didn't they?

Raider999

27-09-2020 19:44

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051777)

Well, I am sure there will be a significant enough rise in basic Prime subscriptions to Amazon, but this on its own would not make this an attractive venture. However, add the additional charges to subscribers who took the additional football subscription, and I have no doubt that it would pay, just as it pays Sky and BT to offer the football.

I fail to see why some people seem to think that Amazon cannot make a success of it when Sky and BT can! A profit is a profit, after all.

You've not answered the questions.

OLD BOY

27-09-2020 19:54

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36051802)

Testing the waters at minimal cost is a completely different kettle of fish from a £5bn+ investment. This is obvious to everyone but you.

Well, of course it is, which is why they tested the waters!

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There's plenty of filler content on streaming services. Age old BBC/ITV repeats.

Quite so. But what that’s got to do with a football streaming service is beyond me. All they would have on there would be football matches. Obviously.

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They could make a bid, and as you claim it's easy money, why didn't they?

(sigh) Because they were testing the waters first.

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36051803)

You've not answered the questions.

I have already pointed out that most if not all Sky or BT subscribers to the football would simply change allegiance. Of course they would. Footie is everything to them.

And if Sky and BT can make a profit, so can Amazon, or whatever other streamer comes forward with big trouser pockets to make a bid in the first place.

jfman

27-09-2020 20:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051805)

Well, of course it is, which is why they tested the waters!

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Quite so. But what that’s got to do with a football streaming service is beyond me. All they would have on there would be football matches. Obviously.

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(sigh) Because they were testing the waters first.

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I have already pointed out that most if not all Sky or BT subscribers to the football would simply change allegiance. Of course they would. Footie is everything to them.

And if Sky and BT can make a profit, so can Amazon, or whatever other streamer comes forward with big trouser pockets to make a bid in the first place.

It’s becoming harder to quote your posts than Sephs on here so I’ll respond in one go. The fact you view a ‘football streaming service’ as separate from the rest of the pay tv market is your first error. It exists in the basket of products, and yes that includes other sports to maintain year round interest.

You continue, perhaps naively, to portray this as “if sky can do it anyone can”. No, Old Boy, that is not necessarily true. The purpose of a rights auction is to place the bidder at or near the limit of what they are willing to spend.

That means the second, third and even non-bidders have less optimised business models to generate revenues from the rights. That’s the purpose of the auction that Amazon didn’t bid a single dime on last time in the first round.

johnasimmons

28-09-2020 08:20

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These arguments are getting tiresome...

vincerooney

29-09-2020 00:44

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Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 36051865)

These arguments are getting tiresome...

i thought i'd clicked the wrong thread as i'd already seen this argument....then i realised its going over two different threads!

Does anyone have a list of football contracts i.e. english and foreign leagues? Is this the second year of the new EPL contract or the first year?

1andrew1

29-09-2020 15:57

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I believe it's more than just two threads. ;)

This Wikipedia page is pretty good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports...ation_football

Raider999

29-09-2020 16:37

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Haven't got a list, but it is certainly the 2nd season of the current EPL contract - Amazon Prime 'tested the water as OB likes to put it' in December 2019.

johnathome

09-10-2020 13:50

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PPV football is coming

Sky Sports and BT Sport to unveil Premier League pay-per-view service https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...ticle-masthead

Mad Max

09-10-2020 14:19

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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 36053163)

PPV football is coming

Sky Sports and BT Sport to unveil Premier League pay-per-view service https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...ticle-masthead

That'll go down like a lead balloon.

denphone

09-10-2020 14:38

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That'll go down like a lead balloon.

Not a a good move by the Premier League to charge £14.95 for single matches that have been shown free for the last 6 months.

jfman

09-10-2020 15:09

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Was inevitable really. Additional games on BT (and others) waters down the Sky offering.

A £15 price point is one that’ll appeal to very few who probably have Sky anyway.

Joedm45

09-10-2020 15:17

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It is up to the customers to ensure this is a failure by not subscribing.

As usual, I'm sure there will be a few that do because watching their team is important to them irrespective of cost which is fair enough but hopefully it doesn't become viable enough to continue long term.

jfman

09-10-2020 16:21

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Doesn't really need to get viewers it only has to keep Sky happy. Costs the league next to nothing to broadcast - every game recorded with English commentary for other markets.

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