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OLD BOY 29-07-2019 20:34

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36004486)
Your first statement is an out and out lie. Thatcher ran a budget deficit for a decade. Major for almost his entire Government and every single year since the Coalition took power.

And left the economy in a better state than they found it. Don't forget, the Callaghan Government left us almost bankrupt. Just like the Blair/Brown Government that followed. Same old story. Same old Labour.

jfman 29-07-2019 20:38

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36004500)
And left the economy in a better state than they found it. Don't forget, the Callaghan Government left us almost bankrupt. Just like the Blair/Brown Government that followed. Same old story. Same old Labour.

That's subjective, but also not the point you made the first time! You out and out blagged a lie that was demonstrably false and hoped nobody would call you on it.

pip08456 29-07-2019 20:52

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
Handbags at dawn girls?

Sephiroth 29-07-2019 21:07

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36004486)
Your first statement is an out and out lie. Thatcher ran a budget deficit for a decade. Major for almost his entire Government and every single year since the Coalition took power.

Did you explain exactly what you thought was an out and out lie? OB put an “or” in his sentence.

jfman 29-07-2019 21:16

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36004503)
Did you explain exactly what you thought was an out and out lie? OB put an “or” in his sentence.

It’s not fully costed and never has been. Saddling future generations with the national debt isn’t exactly fiscal responsibility, nor is selling the state assets to balance the books, neither is PFI. Blair/Brown just as complicit before anyone points that out.

1andrew1 29-07-2019 22:25

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
If only the spell that Boris weaves over some of the UK population could be woven over Sterling. Maybe it just needs to believe more? Unpatriotic pesky currency!
Quote:

Sterling tumbles to two-year low as market fears grow over no-deal Brexit
https://www.ft.com/content/c240ccda-...2-799a3a8cf37b

Hugh 29-07-2019 22:58

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36004506)
If only the spell that Boris weaves over some of the UK population could be woven over Sterling. Maybe it just needs to believe more? Unpatriotic pesky currency!

Quote:

Sterling tumbles to two-year low as market fears grow over no-deal Brexit
https://www.ft.com/content/c240ccda-...2-799a3a8cf37b

Surely all Sterling needs is to "go the extra thousand miles", and the other currencies be more willing to negotiate?

jfman 29-07-2019 22:59

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It just has to believe in itself.

Dave42 29-07-2019 23:02

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36004506)
If only the spell that Boris weaves over some of the UK population could be woven over Sterling. Maybe it just needs to believe more? Unpatriotic pesky currency!

https://www.ft.com/content/c240ccda-...2-799a3a8cf37b

project fear oh hang on just wait to we get cliff edge

Carth 29-07-2019 23:48

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1andrew1 30-07-2019 00:00

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Pierre 30-07-2019 00:01

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36004501)
That's subjective

No it isn’t, unless you can evidence labour left it in a better state?

jfman 30-07-2019 00:27

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36004516)
No it isn’t, unless you can evidence labour left it in a better state?

Was it in a better state in 2010 than 1997? GDP per capita would say so. However it almost always says that over the long term. Which is why it’s subjective, how people and communities experience it varies.

What can be tangibly proven is that Conservative governments have consistent run budget deficits despite selling the family silver, privatising profits and underwriting capitalist failure at taxpayers expense. Which is where we started this off.

OLD BOY 30-07-2019 17:52

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36004518)
Was it in a better state in 2010 than 1997? GDP per capita would say so. However it almost always says that over the long term. Which is why it’s subjective, how people and communities experience it varies.

What can be tangibly proven is that Conservative governments have consistent run budget deficits despite selling the family silver, privatising profits and underwriting capitalist failure at taxpayers expense. Which is where we started this off.

In both 1979 and 2010, the incoming Conservative (or Conservative-led) governments were told by Labour that there was no money left. Gordon Brown raided our pensions and sold off our gold reserves.

The Callaghan government succeeded only in running the country into the ground.

Says it all, really, no matter how you prefer to spin it.

jfman 30-07-2019 17:59

Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36004550)
In both 1979 and 2010, the incoming Conservative (or Conservative-led) governments were told by Labour that there was no money left. Gordon Brown raided our pensions and sold off our gold reserves.

The Callaghan government succeeded only in running the country into the ground.

Says it all, really, no matter how you prefer to spin it.

None of that detracts from your false claims that Conservative governments fully cost expenditure is 100% false.


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