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This is an example of democracy and will of the people we all feel so strongly about, I've characteristically had another change of heart and would've been annoyed no matter who won given the levels of ignorance almost routinely being displayed by voters of either faction, it's worrying as I think the uk could be the only place on earth where turkeys would vote for Christmas given the chance.

Yes and they should never have made the 350 million claim full stop as it's a lie no matter what they claim it is or isn't going to be spent on

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It beats me why on Earth anyone over the age of 40 needed to be 'convinced' one way or the other You've LIVED through it. You're ALREADY an expert on how the EU works, and you SHOULD have been able to vote the way you did because of that life EXPERIENCE.

Christ if we all need to be lead around by the nose by people who don't necessarily have your best interests at heart then you shouldn't be voting at all as it's clearly too much for you poor things.

I'll concede the younger generation won't have that advantage.

Amongst the animal kingdom we have evolved big brains for a reason and it isn't to remember the cast of Coronation Street...

Sometimes I despair.

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Martyh.,
IF, we don't know these things. I am honest enough to admit it.

I was told the other day by a work colleague, who comes from Cornwall. That this is what happens.

I didn't know that. The only thing that was drummed into me over the past couple f months. WE pay millions to the EU, and only get so much back.

Then we are told by MPs about immigration etc etc.

IF, we had been told that by MPs, instead of arguing with each other. Then things would have been different.

If lam wrong, l admit it. I DIDNT KNOW

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There'll be a lot of folks realising ( too late) what the EU funded in the coming years. Farmers are in for the biggest shock, promises of their payments being maintained is another Brexit lie.

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I was talking about farms earlier. I reckon a lot of farms will sell up. sell the land and houses will be built in the countryside to house immigrants and such. so all the country remainers can be happy about Brexit with all their new neighbours.

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The shock of the "leave" result knocked me sideways... I didn't expect that result, even though that was the outcome I wanted! But I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to stand by my original opinion which I posted on CF weeks before the referendum, and that was this...

The only way it could happen is if the EU ceased to exist.

It's not happening.

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You can guarantee what you want, it won't happen.

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We'll just have to wait and see.

Meanwhile...

http://www.mishcon.com/news/firm_new...vement_07_2016

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/685...rexit-EU-leave

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On the Beeb...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

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Reading stories in the Express and the Mail doesn't make anyone an expert on anything, considering how many times they've been proven wrong... ;)

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And those two papers among some others are very good at promoting or demoting certain views so my advice and that not something one should listen to :dunce::nono: is to find out the true facts about something rather then listen to the great educators of the vast majority of our wonderfully biased media..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

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I think the problem in all of this is that it was extremely difficult for ordinary people to get the real facts and thus they were forced to fall back on the news they gleaned from daily newspapers and the rest of the media.

It was made even worse by the fact that both sides populated their arguments with untruths.

We have moved from Terra Firma where we knew relatively well what was happening to Terra Incognita where we have no idea what the future holds.

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Well I'm happy with my vote and I don't know anyone who regrets voting leave either.

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Oh there is. They and the disgruntled Labour members could form a new Party to take on Labour and the Tories. They won't cease to be just because they have achieved their main goal. Shades of the gang of four here. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

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That is the biggest crock I've heard in a while. Tell him to come to the North East of England and then make that statement. Middlesboro is fast becoming a ghost City, Hartlepool is already there. Easington, Horden and Peterlee (where I Live) are broken down towns with the majority of those in work on 0 hours contracts. Easington may look fine from the main street but just go into the back streets where a lot of the houses are empty and see the broken windows of houses where thieves have stolen the boilers and any copper and lead they can find. Also a lot of these towns and villages have lost their pibs and post offices. He's full of poo. He knows nothing about poor towns or what life is like in these towns. I'm lucky, I went private renting and have a decent home but it's twice the rent of Council houses.

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I doubt that would have made any difference. Seems to me people were not really listening to the lies from either side but voted on conscience, experience, Sovereignty and independence. This claim of a lot regretting their decision I wouldn't go as far to say is a blatant lie but it's over exaggerated.

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Exactly what I've been saying all along here. I'm 62 and voted purely on experience. Though I watched the comedy shows called debates I had a good laugh at both sides believe me. I remember when we weren't in the EU and yes the country was in a mess in the 70s but it wasn't because we weren't in the EU, it was because the Unions were holding the country to ransom. Well I remember the 3 day weeks and had to work them.12 hours on and 12 hours off. Well too I remember the power cuts of 4 hours on and 4 hours off. But the time before this was good. You could walk out of one job on the Friday and into another on the Monday especially in the Building Trade. It isn't selective memory as some may claim it's the truth. The EU came along and put new rules and regulations in place and now you can't pee without wondering if it will infringe some EU law.

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The EU didn't fund anything. It was your money sent to the EU that funded things. This is what you are getting back so you're not losing it.

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Then you'd better prepare for riots in the streets and be prepared to give up your democracy because it will no longer exist. What little we have only exists now because we fight to hold on to it. Democracy as we really knew it went out the window the minute we signed up to the Common Market/EEC/EU.

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Is this new?

We already knew there would need to be an Act of Parliament, it's not been kept a secret

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I don't deny it will take an Act of Parliament as will another Scottish referendum but it will only be a matter of formality. It will pass then we can get on with getting out of this den of vipers to quote a famous man who tried to blow up Parliament in 1605.

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What a load of crap !!!!!

First off, It's Middlesbrough

In which way is it becoming a ghost city?

Multiple high end developments such as Acklam Hall (including the refurbishment of the hall itself and the new houses that have been built, the houses that were built on Church lane The Storey development at Low Lane
The houses at Low Lane for a 4 bed detached start at £244,000 the ones on Church Lane were up starting at £350,000 and Acklam Hall starting at £245,000

Church Lane sold out in two weeks, Acklam hall has perhaps three properties left

c) The Baker Street development, and also thriving micro pubs that are springing up. You have major retailers in the high street such as Debenhams,House of Fraser, and there is a fast growing independent retail scene also

There is a huge amount of regeneration work currently going on in Middlesbrough, including the work currently on going in Grovehill

Not sure how it's a ghost city?