Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35828628)

Also the companies that trade with the EU will still be bound by their regulations.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35828630)

Which is what I meant - right now all UK businesses are bound by rules regardless of whether they trade with the EU and that must impose additional costs etc. which they'd otherwise be free of.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35828631)

Around 60-70% of British economic activity has nothing at all to do with the EU. Releasing the vast majority of British buinesses from ridiculous Euro-regulation will be an extremely good thing.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35828393)

Yet the "stay in" camp are being accused of "Project Fear"... ;);)

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35828601)

When I stated we are like Scandinavians, I meant our general outlook is similar to European countries. I feel that we are getting further and further away from the US in our societal outlook. Others may feel different, it could be the environment I work in (a US company with a big UK based headquarters)

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35828653)

I feel that if we are getting further away from the US it's because they are moving to the right more quickly than we are, rather than our moving away from them and towards Europe.

Look at how extreme many think Jeremy Corbyn's economic policies are. Those wouldn't raise an eyebrow in Scandinavia.

The government want to lower taxation to less than 36.5% of GDP, currently at about 39%. In Sweden that number is 45.8%, 49% in Denmark, 43.6% in Norway.

We don't tolerate taxation above about 40% of GDP in the UK. The idea of paying 45% or 49% is anathema.

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European harmony at work.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35828661)

I wonder what would happen if we left and in 5/10 years after our economy is booming how many other will jump the sinking EU ship.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35828661)

I wonder what would happen if we left and in 5/10 years after our economy is booming how many other will jump the sinking EU ship.

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35828601)

It is a big deal when you ship over 100,000 orders per year - 50,000 hours :eeek:

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Hey, we can agree to differ, that's democracy. You made some good points but unless we could have a control group in science terms, it's difficult to say for sure that things would be different if we weren't in the EU. I can only work on the evidence I have in front of me. I will try and answer your points;

One the peace front, it's not just me, the Nobel Peace Prize committee agree (awarded from Oslo of course)

Do we need a formal framework for international co-operation? No, but it's easier if we group together with common aims. See United Nations

When I stated we are like Scandinavians, I meant our general outlook is similar to European countries. I feel that we are getting further and further away from the US in our societal outlook. Others may feel different, it could be the environment I work in (a US company with a big UK based headquarters)

On the technical side, 'it depends' is not a convincing answer for me. We do have our own medicines agency (MHRA) but it aligns and influences the European Medicines Agency. See also british standards, etc.

I would be interested to see the 40 proposals rejected if you have them, I wasn't aware of this. It's unusual for one country to 'go solo' and agreements are usually reached at the COREPER stage.

Getting near the end now.... In a global market, and I fail to see any sign of globalisation reducing, decisions made in Brussels, Germany or anywhere else will affect the UK, whether we are a member of the EU or not. See the global financial crisis which kicked off with dodgy mortgage lending in the US. Being in the EU, we can influence as part of a larger trading bloc. We can't influence the Euro and neither should we if we aren't a member of the eurozone.

Finally, aren't all voting decisions at least partially self serving? I wouldn't believe anyone would vote completely altruistically and make themselves significantly worse off. Voting decisions surely are influenced a) by facts and b) by beliefs. I believe that the EU is a force for good. I will be voting in.

If someone wants to vote out, then that's cool, this is a democracy. I just hope that all the facts are presented well in the run in instead of some of the rubbish you see in the press (bendy bananas, banned toasters, etc.)

Gonna drop out of the conversation for now, just wanted to say my piece

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35828716)

Some interesting reading for you. http://forbritain.org/MEPs%20votes.pdf

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35828755)

I'm not going to take any notice of the polls until just before the referendum. They won't change the way I vote in any event, it'd take a miracle centred on Brussels to do that.