Re: Coronavirus
 

This argument does not stack up, one iota.

In January this year when cases were reaching 50-60 thousand positive cases a day, deaths were at or around over 1,000+, last few days has seen same amount of cases, but significantly amount of reduced deaths. The vaccines are doing their thing.

We cannot stay in lockdown limbo forever, our children have missed out on education for a long time, they’re essentially a year behind, this isn’t good. Also people’s mental health are suffering, suicides up tenfold. COVID-19 is something we just gonna have to live with, like the flu. Hospital admissions are up, but deaths aren’t and we have to get back to increased freedoms.

The hospitality sector is on its knees, so I’m glad we’re on the road to recovery, deaths are down, the easing of restrictions can now stop the real suffering.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I've played it clever today.

I didn't get up until 10:40, quick coffee and some toast, 2 cigs and another coffee, then another ciggy and ready to face the world.

I worked out that by rising late, I'd be 27.63% less likely to encounter that Delta thing while it traveled through my area :D

I may venture out to a pub later . . if I can find a pub, not a pub that thinks it's a bloody restaurant :rolleyes:

Re: Coronavirus
 

The Govt have asked us to exercise personal responsibility. Wearing masks where appropriate or asked to would be part of that responsibility.

It's doomed to fail as demonstrated by the Smurfs post, we're incredibly self centred / irresponsible.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Was Smurf asked to wear a mask by anyone? I'm sure if was asked he would.

Was it appropriate to not wear a mask? perhaps he was shopping in a very large, spacious, airconditioned, supermarket with very few people in.

I think some people really need to calm the f down.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Perhaps it was a small Metro type store, and everyone was crushed together, and Papa was licking everyone’s face?

"perhaps" is carrying a lot of assumptions… ;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

Project fear has done a wonderful job.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Luckily, Project "selfish" is fighting back…

Re: Coronavirus
 

Project "selfish" has always been there. That is the very reason so many cases are still happening.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Here's a thought. (It didn't hurt too much).
1)"Freedom day" - legal restrictions removed but asked to be sensible and allowing businesses to control some of the rules locally = terrible, shouldn't do this, big peak ahead.
2)Relax some of the legislation, maybe different rules in different areas/situations = terrible, shouldn't do this, too confusing and in UK too easy to go to "freer" area
3)Stay locked down, keep paying out furlough, even tighten rules = terrible idea, shouldn't to this, businesses suffering especially hospitality. Country in even more debt.


Whatever those in power do and whoever they are they can't get it right. Someone, somewhere will disagree (for someone read a person with a degree of credibility and knowledge not just anyone). This is a novel situation with lots of experts all making their point in very public ways. Almost like protecting themselves? It would be worse/better if only...

Re: Coronavirus
 

Oh, I agree. the assumptions cut both ways, we all know what happens when you Assume something. ;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

We're seeing approx. fifty deaths a day from cases ten days again where case rates were nowhere near the level they are. lets see what the deaths are looking like in the next few days. then we can do back of a fag packet maths and then extrapolate that against 100,000 or perhaps up to 200,000 cases a day. You're right about the vaccines, they are working but the link as has been repeatedly stated by the government and also the boffins is severed not completely broken.

I take your point regarding education and yes children have suffered during this past eighteen months. However (and i stress this is only what i have seen locally) parents are dead set against both extending the school day or shortening the school holidays. If we need to make up for the past eighteen months then surely should parents should be welcoming such options.

I did some reading before responding to this regarding suicides The BMJ is unable to prove a significant increase in suicides during the pandemic , never mind a ten fold increase. if you have evidence to the contrary I'd genuinely like to read it.


To your next point regarding the hospitality sector IMHO only certain areas are on their knees nightclub etc. Those same night clubs however refusing to use the NHS app. onto other areas of hospitality have you tried booking a staycation? Lake District, Cornwall etc. has little to no availability and the very limited availability is being priced exorbitantly £5k for a cottage in Whitby for a week?

I'm most concerned about those frontline NHS staff who have gone through more than a lot us would be able to comprehend over the past eighteen months. Those who now it appears are going to have to deal with yet another significant influx of patients. They IMHO need and deserve time to recover before they then have to start dealing with the huge backlog of those on waiting lists.

releasing everything in a 'big bang' is IMHO a reckless decision, BoJo himself is 'begging us to use our common sense' it will either pay off handsomely or we will by September/October be in yet another lockdown. I very much hope it's the former, but I very much believe it will be the latter.

just my 2p :)

Re: Coronavirus
 

I think it might be on sky news later under the headline

Man buys wholemeal loaf, pastrami and bag of oranges, while following government guidelines on shopping.

Re: Coronavirus
 

My Sainsbury's is asking people to keep wearing masks so I shall. If only to stop some deranged lunatic attacking me because I'm not. :erm:

Re: Coronavirus
 

Enough.

I don’t want to see anyone attacking someone else for doing nothing wrong.

---------- Post added at 15:38 ---------- Previous post was at 15:24 ----------

They can ask you, but they cannot tell you. You’re not being selfish either.

We have to get back to normal way of life and live with the virus like all other illnesses etc.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I wonder if those who refuse to wear a mask will be denied entry? Businesses won't want to turn away money, but will want to try and protect others in their stores.

I do understand that we have to get back to some sort of normality, but can't see the point of dropping procedures that help to stop the virus spreading.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I think there's a degree of selfishness, what happens if you're carrying the virus
unwittingly, you go mask free and there's people who are immunocompromised or immunosuppressed also shopping? Is it right for your actions to place them at increased risk? Or does getting back to a normal way of life exclude those who are most vulnerable?

Wearing a mask offers some reduction in the risk of transmission and infection. it's not a hardship, it's not a reduction of civil liberties. it's a considerate gesture to those who still need as much protection as possible.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Well it's not a great hardship but it isn't very nice and you can't easily taste samples with a mask on, and some masks may even block scent. Buying food should use more than just eyes, touch, smell even sound sometimes and where available taste.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I'm still shielding, this 'Freedom day' has actually made things worse for vulnerable people like myself.

I had a medication delivery today and the guy was no longer wearing a face mask! I called the pharmacy and was told that they could no longer legally insist on their staff wearing them. I explained that they could require them as their employer, which is especially relevant given their nature of business.

After saying that I required any of their staff to wear a mask on my property or they will be turned away and that risk assessments should have been made under the 'Health & Safety At Wotk Act', he said he'd consult a senior manager and get back to me.

I imagine that there will be similar situations all over the country from today onwards.

Re: Coronavirus
 

If we all didn't do things because they 'weren't very nice' there would be a a lot of things not getting done.

Your argument holds some sway in terms of food shopping, and perhaps cosmetics. but little else.

Re: Coronavirus
 

So you're choosing to go without medication .

Re: Coronavirus
 

This however is total and utter overkill, if you're still shielding ask them to put the package down, step back and if needs be spray it or wipe it down with disinfectant wipes etc. What you've done above is antagonistic,inflammatory and puerile

Re: Coronavirus
 

If they need protection or are in the vulnerable group then they should have had the vaccine by now.

There is absolutely no selfishness for not wearing a mask - anyone could pass on any other illness that existed long before covid, that can still potentially kill people and masks were not a requirement then.

Re: Coronavirus
 

An immunocompromised or suppressed individual does not have the same amount of protection against the virus as you or i do as 'normal' individuals. a subset of this group wont be able to EVEN have the vaccine. The boffins we're saying on the news the other night that an eighty year old with both doses of the vaccine has the equivalent protection to a 35yr old who has had no vaccinations.

I can't think of a disease in my lifetime that has posed such a significant risk to the elderly or those as i've mentioned above which can spread so rapidly or so silently. Can you ?

I'll retain my stance that is is to a degree selfish. Thankfully, it would appear from what i've seen on the news today that the vast majority of the public are keen to keep masks.

We have a duty of care to those who who are at risk most in society. this to me comes over and above the fact that we legally not required to wear masks.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Trouble here that things get complex very quickly. Wear here but not there but not if you are buying this only in this situation.


As can be seen on here there are competing and valid reasons behind wearing or not wearing masks, keeping or dropping rules. Our leaders (again wouldn't matter who they are) have to think in a bigger scale that we as individuals and whichever way things move it's going to "discomfort" someone.


We are looking forward to getting back to church, meeting together, singing together. Our building is big enough and setup in a way that we can have areas separated off for those wanting to "isolate" and the rest of those of us not wanting (or needing) to do so.


I guess shops could set aside periods where masks would be required/requested more strongly for those wanting/needing more protection and that could possibly work except for those in those groups who can't make those times and how do you police the changeover?

Re: Coronavirus
 

No it is not selfish.

The media have not seen the vast amount of people today, so I do not equate that to any valid opinion to as to who wants to wear a mask and who does not.

And in those circumstances, these individuals would be advised to stay in isolation for their own personal protection. I hope you're not suggesting thousands of these very vulnerable people will be out and about with such a compromised immune system, like it's the normal thing to do.

Re: Coronavirus
 

There's a significant difference between 'discomfort' & that of 'serious illness and/or death' which 5m people are potentially at risk of.


I find your attitude quite odd keeping in mind to your religious beliefs

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57864699 @17:00

So, in just over two months time, people won’t be able to get in a nightclub/other venues where there are large crowds - one assumes this is to stop infections?

But for the next two months, go for it!

Not following the logic…

Re: Coronavirus
 

Well both BBC/Sky News showed Birmingham New Stree and a station at an Oxford commuter belt virtually empty, and those that were there were 80% masked. Out on my travels today the vast majority of people were masked.

immunosuppressed/ compromised people go to work as we do every day. so, yes, there;s many thousands of those people who need protection.

You think you're right to not wear a mask is greater than someone's right to be protected. I disagree, neither of our opinions are more valid nor hold more weight so we can agree to disagree :)

Re: Coronavirus
 

No, I will change supplier if they don't meet my requirements.

Re: Coronavirus
 

[quote]
severed
/ˈsɛvəd/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
adjective: severed

having been cut or sliced off.
"severed limbs"
(of a connection) ended; broken off.
"the heartbreak of severed relationships"[/quote

Re: Coronavirus
 

I'm not prepared to risk becoming disabled or dying for anybody. My life is more important than whether you think this is antagonistic, inflammatory or puerile.

The driver didn't do any of what you suggested, he came right up to my face as I was semi hiding behind the door and was no longer wearing a face mask.

They will either meet my demands or I will go elsewhere. Unfortunately, I am an extremely good customer of medicinal products.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I think the thinking is that there are still people who physically cannot get their second jab yet, so for them the only option is proof of a negative test.

Once everyone has passed that i.e. everyone over 18 has been offered a second jab + two weeks then it becomes a simple proposition to have the vaccine requirement.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Best get them to tell the BMJ.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1088

Re: Coronavirus
 

Thanks for your insightful input.

---------- Post added at 17:42 ---------- Previous post was at 17:41 ----------

You can take that up with Witty,Valiance et al they quoted it at the last briefing.

---------- Post added at 17:43 ---------- Previous post was at 17:42 ----------

So, ask the driver to do it in future. Your reaction is juvenile.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I don’t believe they need a negative test to get in at the moment.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/18/night...nter-14944656/

https://www.standard.co.uk/reveller/...d-b945364.html

Re: Coronavirus
 

That would make sense but they need an option for 'unable to have vaccine'

From watching the press conference, boris appears to be saying 'start doing it now, because it's coming....'

Re: Coronavirus
 

I think I'll just use some basic common sense and be cautious for the time being. At least with those that think otherwise we'll know one way or another very soon.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Control
The UK is becoming a dictatorship

Re: Coronavirus
 

Logic, are you suggesting there has been any logic at all through this?

Re: Coronavirus
 

Project Fear…

Re: Coronavirus
 

My reaction is understandable for someone at risk. I take it you've not lost a family member to covid (yet)?

They will either meet my requirements or I will use another supplier that will.

Re: Coronavirus
 

COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double jabbed, says Vallance

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...lance-12359317

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

Exactly. The vaccinations are very helpful, but don't guarantee that people won't get the virus, be able to pass it on, end up in hospital or lose their life.

After losing two family members and being extremely clinically vulnerable, I take preventative measures extremely seriously, especially since the variant is much more contagious.

We can't keep everything closed down forever, but I cannot understand why the Government has created a 'do as you please from today' scenario.

I think that cases will now start to rocket so much that we will have no choice but to go back into a full lockdown in the coming months.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Their personal investments depend on the plebs getting back to the treadmill Richard. Let others take the risk while they reap the rewards.

Re: Coronavirus
 

"plebs getting back to the treadmill"

not a very nice thing to say, considering many 'plebs' have been on the 'treadmill' continually throughout the whole thing.

Maybe you should put that sort of stuff on your rhubarb instead of on here?

Re: Coronavirus
 

Oh for goodness sake don't get your knickers in a twist, if you want to live under your stairs, then go ahead, millions of people are sick of all this crap and want to get on with their lives, at the end of the day if Covid doesn't get you something else will. :)

Re: Coronavirus
 

Lock down means middle class people hiding away while working class people bring everything they want to their front door;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

Spot on....:clap:

Re: Coronavirus
 

Since corrected.

https://twitter.com/uksciencechief/s...04235356213252

Re: Coronavirus
 

Released the wrong made up data then.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Nah, just a simple mistake that any expert in charge of the health of UK citizens could make . . nothing to suggest he's done it before . . . probably

Re: Coronavirus
 

Probably had the graph upside down as well;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

Not true, and since corrected.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...lance-12359317

Then again, as the vast majority get vaccinated, a percentage of those still ill will of course be people who have been vaccinated.

Its not 100% effective and no one has ever claimed it is.

Re: Coronavirus
 

If you actually bothered to read, You'll see I've agreed that we need to remove restrictions. my issue is that we're taking a big bang approach.


Where's your source to show that millions of people are 'sick of this crap' because the polling from various news sources shows that most people are not in favour of releasing the lockdown the way that Boris has.

---------- Post added at 08:11 ---------- Previous post was at 08:08 ----------

Whether i have lost a family member or not is of no relevance to how you acted in the situation. You COULD of explained the situation and asked them to do certain things.. instead you demanded that they wear masks on your property (laughable as you have no legal right to do this)

I don't think they will care one way or another if you use another supplier, especially when you come across as an entitled brat.

---------- Post added at 08:16 ---------- Previous post was at 08:11 ----------

This last line makes me wonder why Boris is introducing the passports. We know that the vaccines are highly effective protecting against hospitalizations and death. but they're not so good at protecting against transmission/infection.

It's the 'other large scale events' that concerns me, there's no clear definition of what that means.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

Did he ? because the post i read stated 'he demanded that people wear masks on his property'

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

He's entitled to the same leeway and understanding the hw showed to the person he made demands of? and then subsequently stated that he would take business elsewhere (because that makes a difference)

Anyhow, onto more interesting & important things.

How's Boris going to respond to Dominic's latest salvo ?

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

We'll agree to disagree on the prior. On the latter, however, complete agreement.

We have two proven liars, one a former advisor, one the prime minister. the question begs is who is telling the truth.....

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

Just IMHO but from Boris's demeanor on the press conference yesterday i got the feeling that he didn't want to proceed with 'Freedom Day' and had only done so due to either 1) losing face in front of the population 2) significant internal party rebellion. He looked nervous and again IMHO out of his depth.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

Boris (or whoever would be in charge if not him) is going to have a bad time whatever.



If he had rolled back or reduced Freedom Day then the press would call him cowardly not to proceed and highlight all the losses to businesses and holiday makers. They would highlight that while infections are rising other figures aren't. They would find real heart rending situations about wedding cancelled, visits to grandparents stopped and so on.


If a partial freedom the press would have pages about all the complexities for the new rules, how already struggling businesses now have extra burdens. Again they would find heart rending tales of how one part of a family can meet but others can't or unfairness because on one street, some families can enjoy life again but just next door they can't.


----
On the report about 80 year olds - again statistics, if you are told that you need to shut the whole country down to protect one (smallish) group of people what would you do? (Forget if you have 80+year old relatives or are 80+ yourself for a moment.) Especially if you can make provision for that group fairly easily? (I'm not saying that these actions are true or possible.)

Re: Coronavirus
 

I think he DID initially, but with the cases/hospitalizations increasing as we got closer he wanted to back out, but couldn't due to reasons 1 & 2 specified above. His performance yesterday was atrocious and should concern people.

---------- Post added at 10:20 ---------- Previous post was at 10:12 ----------


Regardless of situation I would rather do the right thing than continue and be called a coward. principles/ethics whatever you want to call it at least for me come into play.


On your second point. You're IMHO focusing on the wrong reasons. We didn't shut the country down to protect 80 year olds we kept locking down to protect the NHS from collapsing and to buy us time in the race to develop vaccines.

Have a think about case numbers/hospitalizations/deaths now and with the amount of people we have vaccinated. Now, take yourself back to a year ago and what would have happened had we not locked down, more than likely the magnitude of cases, subsequent hospitalisation & deaths would have collapsed the NHS and potentially more economic damage than we've sustained.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

https://img.rasset.ie/00099dff-622.jpg

So... Boris & ? DC ? Savid Javid ?

---------- Post added at 11:15 ---------- Previous post was at 10:41 ----------

mixed messages from the government this morning.

Paul Scully announced on Tuesday morning that self-isolating after being told to by the app was a decision for individuals and employers.

Downing Street has dismissed suggestions from business minister Paul Scully that self-isolating when pinged by the Covid-19 app should be a matter for individuals and employers to decide.

It was “crucial” to self-isolate when told and business should be supporting employees to do so, Downing Street said.


Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57898328

Here's the interesting thing, Paul Sculy is correct, there's no legal requirement to self isolate when pinged by the app, it's only a legal requirement when contacted via Track & Trace

Re: Coronavirus
 

I've already explained that he was (literally) in my face before I could do anything.

I have the right to insist that any precautions I deem necessary are respected on my property.

Seeing as your arrogant/rude attitude stinks so much, you have no right to insult anybody else. Just take a look back at how you've spoken to me and others, neuro diverse or otherwise.

Re: Coronavirus
 

No, you don’t. Only your inflated ego and sense of self importance makes you think you do.

TTFN

Re: Coronavirus
 

Apart from covid, it's said that approx 50% of people will get cancer or dementia. If/when this happens to you and you receive your current attitude from other people, this would be a life lesson that you would clearly benefit from.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I won't because i won't be arrogant enough demand things, I'll ask or explain politely and/or take the required steps to protect myself.

Also, how do you know I don't suffer from an significant illness or disability?

You don't....

Re: Coronavirus
 

On my private property I, as anyone, can insist that certain conditions are met or entry can be refused.

I have just come off the phone after speaking to a senior manager of the chemist in question. He apologised profusely, said that this should never have happened, especially to somebody so vulnerable to covid, and reassured me that staff training/risk assessments would be taking place for all their staff. He thanked me for drawing it to his attention and we agreed upon a mutually satisfactory solution going forward. I asked him to put this on writing as, on the slim chance that this guy has given me covid, I have informed him that me or my executor will be seeking redress. He was very pleasent about it and agreed to do this as he said "I can totally understand where you are coming from".

Ego/self importance.....just look at the abrupt, rude, arrogant & discriminatory way that you speak to other people. I doubt that you interact like this in real life, so are probably a keyboard warrior and this is your only outlet.

Whether you suffer from a disability or not is neither here nor there. It could be argued that you ought to know better and be more empathetic, but it is perfectly possible for one disabled person to be guilty of harassing/discriminating against another disabled person.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

Sorry Richard, but you do come across as someone that would be wise to give a wide berth to. Maybe you need to think more about how you do come across to others.

Re: Coronavirus
 

The issue has now been resolved to the satisfaction of all parties, so i'm happy with that. Not being the 3rd person in my family to die from covid is my primary concern.

I do acknowledge that my disability can affect my cognitive skills & ability to express myself effectively, so have asked a support worker to look through this thread regarding the two people who brought this up; he has said that he sees nothing wrong.

Re: Coronavirus
 

For what it’s worth, I agree with you that the delivery driver’s behaviour was unacceptable given the nature of his work, but there are those who disagree and you just have to take that on the chin. If you put your opinions and actions on a discussion forum, you’re inviting discussion. If you’re looking for affirmation, the best place is your own Facebook page, with appropriate privacy, so only your personal friends can see it.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I don't understand the fuss about masks.

Personally, if someone was to come into my home or my car I would not care if they wore a mask or not. I am comfortable with any increased risk and ideally prefer not to wear one. If I get into someone else's car and they don't care either I won't wear one.

However, when going into a store or enclosed area I am mindful that there may be people there - especially the staff - who would appreciate it if I wore a mask and for now that seems a polite and reasonable thing to do. I could refuse and point out it's my legal right not to wear a mask to make a point but it seems needlessly rude and inconsiderate.

Anywhere which would prefer you wear a mask I will continue to do so for now.

Re: Coronavirus
 

That'll be because you're a decent, considerate person, I'll wear a mask whilst those around me still are, why should I benefit from the protection their mask wearing affords me whilst not extending them the same courtesy, anything else would be bad manners. Just because bozo and his chums want to abrogate responsibility doesn't mean I have to, I'd rather not pass covid on and potentially have someone's death on my conscience just because bozo said its okay.

Re: Coronavirus
 

i won't be turning my next shopping trip into a virtue signalling exercise.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

So no bio hazard gear for you then?

Re: Coronavirus
 

96 deaths today, cases from 10,11,12 days ago average at approx 31,000

very very basic fag packet maths and IF we see linear progression would be 290ish deaths per day coming from a 100,000 a day case rate

---------- Post added at 16:32 ---------- Previous post was at 16:31 ----------

it would appear that deaths have doubled in a week

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yeah but freedom and I hate wearing a mask etc

Re: Coronavirus
 

My maths is probably way way off, we'll see. I can't help but think that the F1 and Euro 2020 crowds were not the best of ideas.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

as ever that is date death reported not date they died, therefore the data is lumpy. 19 yesterday, 96 today. the seven day average is around 48 per day, 352 for the week.

approx 9750 people day every week in just England & Wales.

That would mean COVID related deaths = 0.035% of total death in the last week.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I dont disagree that there's some variance/fluidity. but a near 100% increase week on week should at least raise an eyebrow ?

Re: Coronavirus
 

Small data sets are notoriously "noisy" Let's see what the averages do.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Here's some week on week data to mull over.

46,558 cases in the UK. +9,898
96 deaths in the UK. +46
745 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. +181
4,567 patients in hospital in the UK. +1,836
611 patients on ventilation in the UK. +194

Re: Coronavirus
 

Seems like Scotland figures are decreasing . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-57896887

Slight rise in Wales . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57900599

N. Ireland sees a slight rise in hospital cases, but a drop of those in intensive care . .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57905606


*disclaimer: all figures probably contain inaccuracies due to dates of infection/death and reported dates of infection/death ;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

Also, Scottish school holidays began almost a month ago. There has been less mixing of children, but perhaps more significantly, a lot less twice-weekly lateral flow testing.

Infection rates really are meaningless now. It’s all about how much pressure hospitals are under.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Being considerate of others’ health is not "virtue signalling" - strange that anyone would think so…

I suppose you believe that stopping to let pedestrians cross the road at a pedestrian crossing is "virtue signalling"?

(only if you use your indicators ;) )

Re: Coronavirus
 

i think stopping at a pedestrian crossing is defined in law as is mask wearing in a supermarket.

Re: Coronavirus
 

At this moment there is no law about mask wearing in supermarkets. Legally no requirement but individual companies may apply recommendations but they are not legally enforceable.

Re: Coronavirus
 

An interesting development at the border

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...-list-arrivals

---------- Post added at 18:55 ---------- Previous post was at 18:53 ----------

I don’t think they need to be legally enforceable for them to refuse to serve you (should they so wish)

---------- Post added at 18:57 ---------- Previous post was at 18:55 ----------


There’s no legal requirement to stop at a pedestrian crossing

Re: Coronavirus
 

run em over then but wear a mask

Re: Coronavirus
 

Bit extreme, just run the ones not wearing a mask over :)

Re: Coronavirus
 

No, because it’s the law.

Trust me, if the average motorist was not compelled to allow pedestrians to cross at a Zebra crossing due them having the right of way or forced to via a red light, most wouldn’t.