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It’s quite bizarre you can’t question a streaming service without being accused of having something against them. Eleven Sports demonstrated people won’t buy something just because it’s streaming. You still have to offer something people want, which is as true on the Sky platform, on Virgin, or if you are retailing directly.
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This looks like a sneek preview of Sky's new IPTV service that will be coming to the UK soon. Typically, Sky is not offering the best picture quality, presumably to deter satellite customers from leaving. Not exactly customer friendly, are they?
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Indeed they’re saying 15 meg to support three streams plus a tablet. Throw in Ultra HD at 25 meg and suddenly the number of people having not having fast enough internet increases significantly.
If Sky could reliably offer the product they would, it’s not nothing to do with being “not exactly customer friendly” more that the underlying infrastructure isn’t there to guarantee reliably offering a premium product. As Spiderplant says, there’s no incentive for a satellite customer to move to the IP based product anyway. Why would they want to sacrifice internet bandwidth for an identical service? |
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I obviously have got the wrong end of the stick. |
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btw i do agree with you on britbox i think 2 years tops it will last. |
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There’s no rational reason for Sky not to offer UHD if the infrastructure is up to it. The reality is that it’s not, and they don’t want the reputational risk that will go along with deploying an untested product. Quote:
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I am sure that you may have a point on Italian broadband not being ready yet, which could explain matters. |
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If Sky have aspirations to launch two or three UHD channels then again that’s more pressure if people are wanting to record multiple streams. It’s easier to just admit it’s a second tier product from outset and wait for internet infrastructure to catch up. I’d be interested to know if the hardware is UHD capable. By getting hardware out there they could run real world trials. |
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So the new customer with poor broadband speed would not lose out on the service whereas the UHD availability might attract many new customers with good broadband who were not allowed a satellite dish, etc, or who wanted to transfer from VM, BT or Talk Talk but did not want a dish. |
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“I pay for 76 meg I assumed that was what I got, turns out it’s only 30?”. Add in the variable wireless performance of different ISP routers in the market and it’s simply something that Sky, or any reputable company, wouldn’t want to touch with a barge pole with their flagship premium product. You are kidding yourself on if you think otherwise. Old Boy even agrees with me on this. ---------- Post added at 16:42 ---------- Previous post was at 16:34 ---------- Quote:
Virgin can do this for the V6 because it’s Virgin’s broadband product on Virgin’s infrastructure. The DOCSIS network is more than capable. I have no doubt that Sky will move to IP based delivery in Italy, the UK and everywhere else but there’s many questions to be overcome between now and then. The closure of the Now TV 1080p trial here doesn’t fill me with optimism at present. Interestingly the UK Government has watered down it’s fibre commitment. https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-target.html Full fibre is now “gigabit capable”. |
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Certainly on Openreach's VDSL offering via BTWholesale instances of peaktime loss of speed have been vastly reduced. |
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Why do you think Sky in Italy won’t be offering UHD on the IP product at launch? Irrational fear of IP? You accuse me of being argumentative but even when Old Boy and I broadly agree you come along to argue the toss over nothing. |
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It has noything to do with what Sky is offering in Italy and everything to do with what they decide to offer in the UK. |
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The reality is the bandwidth required to support a “Sky Q experience” over IP isn’t there. In the UK that’s six simultaneous recordings, a seventh live broadcast and a mobile device. You could prove me wrong though, with your Openreach customer zone login... |
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As I would see it, Sky would verify the type of broadband that the customer had prior to installation. The customer would be told about the minimum speeds necessary to support UHD. If problems materialised down the line, and the issue was the internet speeds then the customer would be advised to get a different broadband package, if available. If, for reasons of cost or availability in the area, nothing could be done about the broadband speed, the customer would be advised that the UHD facility would be cut off, it would now be HD only and a lower price would be charged. Hence, the customer is helped to make the right decision, a lower price is paid and the system works satisfactorily. You are very good at identifying problems, jfman, I'll give you that. You need to work a bit on how to solve those problems, though. |
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And how many paid man/woman hours is that lot going to take to sort out?
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There's no rational reason for Sky not to offer the service if it was as easy as you say. They'd immediately throw the gauntlet down to every DTT, IPTV and cable operator out there, gaining inroads where users don't have line of sight or for some other reason aren't allowed a satellite dish. Sky aren't putting these things on walls because they make a huge profit margin on the physical dish itself. A customer is a customer whatever the delivery method. That leaves us with one conclusion... And one only. UHD streams are 25MB/sec on the Eutelsat 13 position. It only takes two of those to choke up your average FTTC connection. It is neither extreme nor negative to point out observable reality. Sky, with an obligation to their shareholders, should be doing everything in their power to realistically increase their footprint. And rightly so. Yet, there's a stumbling block. If, and when, FTTP becomes more prevalent then it's the natural next step. However we are some years off in the UK although I can't speak for Italy ---------- Post added at 19:58 ---------- Previous post was at 19:56 ---------- Quote:
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How many people are going to be disappointed, or have to pay a price premium to upgrade their broadband when Sky could/should have just gave them a dish? How many people are going to be disappointed their broadband becomes virtually unusable as the Sky Q hogs the majority of their bandwidth. It’s a huge reputational risk to try to deliver this and fail. The question remains if it’s that easy why are Sky, with their shareholder obligations, not doing it? |
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OB, like everyone who has ever called a radio phone-in at 5pm on a Saturday evening to tell the world what their team’s manager *should* have done to get the three points ... you talk a good game.
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It’s worth noting “Sky without a dish” https://www.skygroup.sky/corporate/m...ons-more-homes was expected in the UK last year.
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My buddy works as a Network Technical Architect for the Beeb, and he’s part of a very large team - his focus is on Network Architecture, and his comment it’s that none of the major suppliers could support widespread UHD on multiple channels, in the near to medium future. He’s an expert in this area, so I believe him. |
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End of life for the Astra 2 satellites for the UK will be nearly 2030. Eutelsat, who broadcast Sky to Italy, are renewing their fleet at 13 degrees east with two new satellites in 2021, these will have a likely 15 year lifespan. Albeit, that doesn’t mean it will be Sky (Italy) who are using them. Move to IPTV of some description is inevitable, it just isn’t ready yet and there’s no urgency to deploy. It’s years off replacing satellite broadcasts for Sky. That’s not to say both a satellite and IPTV offering won’t coexist for some time sooner than that. The IPTV version has significant challenges - that’s why it and 1080p Now TV don’t exist in the UK yet. |
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Again that’s not the point being made, Old Boy...
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Here a few months back I was starting to wonder that I was a lone wolf howling at the moon over Netflix. Now not so much.
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Just a little reminder to all:
Disney + has zero subscribers HBOmax has zero subscribers Peacock has zero subscribers Apple + has zero subscribers because they haven't launched yet and as far as many international markets go, some of these services are still at least a year away to launching. Netflix has 150 million subscribers and counting and in another year will have millions more customers and thousands of hours of more new tv shows and films. I don't discount the uphill challenge that Netflix will face, but at the moment, at least, Netflix is standing onto of the hill looking way down at the others. What if Netflix were to take over someone like Lionsgate and/or MGM? That would add a ton of recognisable content. I'm not saying that will happen, but Netflix can adapt as it sees fit. When all these streamers are launched that will then impact on the media companies' existing services, especially pay tv channels like HBO and ESPN. It's not a zero sum game. Disney+ will be cheap when it launches, but it needs to offset losses that will inevitably happen as a result of cannibalisation to existing services and loss of revenue from expiring licensing deals. Disney's streamer will need to get a lot of subscribers very quickly, but with Disney's vast content, its doable, but even Netflix will still have rights to some of Disney's content for at least another eighteen months, so it's Disney and the others that has got the main challenge, not Netflix. |
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Peacock will have plenty of customers from the off as the main part of its service is ad free delivering an estimated $5 per customer.
I think you haven't fully read the articles , Netflix Originals on their own at the price they currently charge won't keep people interested they simply haven't got enough and many of what they have are cancelled shows meaning no future series. |
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This is an interesting read.
Netflix Accelerates Canadian Investment as Streaming Competition Heats Up. |
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Disney, AT&T and Comcast have instantly recognisable brands which should in theory, sell those companies' streaming services for them. |
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Besides, I reckon they will ultimately take over Disney as some pundits have been predicting for years.
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Disagree on the competition issues, chaps. Apple is a tech company, Disney a media one. They operate in different markets, well at least until Apple's streamer launches.
Apple was Disney's largest shareholder at one point after the Pixar takeover and today Disney's CEO Bog Iger sits on the Apple board. I think if a big tech company with lots of money wants to get involved in televisions and film, Disney would be the No 1 target. |
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You don't necessarily have to operate in the same market to create competition issues, although it's the most obvious. Vertical integration, of any description, can result in two markets being distorted by one merger especially if it makes one supermassive company that has a significant market share in both markets.
There's also a world of difference between being a shareholder and owning 100% and having operating control. |
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I take it up your openreach login doesn’t do economics. |
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I know I'm probably late to the party but I started a 30-day free trial of Amazon Prime this weekend on my V6. I found the picture and sound quality very good but a bit confusing to sort out the 'included' programmes from the ones that cost extra. It loaded fairly quicly and a nice touch was the ability to choose the size of subtitles (if needed) which would suit screens of different sizes. All in all a good experience and I might well continue with a sub after the trial period as I buy frequently from Amazon and the next day delivery is attractive.
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Programmes included in Prime have a 'Prime' banner in their picture - but other than that Amazon don't make it clear.
They don't make it easy to find the highest definiation version either. |
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On the Amazon search, I think HD and UHD come up together, it's just a case of choosing which one you want to watch. Additionally, all the 4K stuff comes up on one line on the main screen. |
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Within the Amazon app - selecting The Grand Tour offers HD - not UHD. You have to search for the UHD version.
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When I do the same on the V6, seasons 1,2 and 3 in SD are shown first, followed by the UHD versions. In the V6 version of the app, the UHD sign is indicated most prominently in the title below the picture, although a 'UHD' indicator appears on the top left hand side, in very small print just above the 'Prime' indicator. Is this not what you are seeing? |
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The Firestick doesn't use the app so gives different results.
Within an app - type 'Clarkson' as the search. I get 'The Grand Tour' as first choice - but no mention of UHD. |
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Amazon is a mess in comparison to Netflix.
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But that is the point of the search - you don't always know what you are looking for - but whatever you decide on should be the best quality offering. It should default to the best quality available - as Netflix does.
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As far as the i-Player is concerned, I doubt that this will be going south at all. They will throw resources into improving their site, because as confirmed in 'The Times' today.... 'In the long term the Corporation sees iPlayer and its Sounds audio app as the main ways people will access BBC services, suggesting that conventional channels such as BBC One, BBC Two and Radio 4 will be marginalised' By that, they mean 'before disappearing'! But then, we already know that, don't we? :D |
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Maybe another nail in the coffin of AMC on BT?- Credit to Petestan on DS.
"Amazon Prime has picked up the new "teenager version of "The Walking Dead" in the UK and other areas, to air in the Spring." |
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Netflix's debt isn't a problem, as long as they can keep building their subscriber base, but they are getting near the point where that is likely to level off, which is where their investors might get nervous and pull funding. Competitors with large amounts of cash will make that a worse problem simply because it raises the amount of cash Netflix needs to spend to stay relevant. Netflix needs to be very careful here. They are in the same position Blockbuster Video was in the 90s (Blockbuster was the largest investor in Hollywood). Look what happened to them. They didn't move with the times, and were ultimately bankrupted by Netflix and Amazon. Blockbuster were in that position about 10-15 years after they started. Netflix was in that position about 10-15 years after it started. ---------- Post added at 18:15 ---------- Previous post was at 18:12 ---------- Quote:
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With past, present and future content they have relied upon being pulled from them them by the new streamers coming online. |
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While I am pleased that the UHD stuff is now coming up on VM Amazon searches, I am annoyed that searches for the BBC i-Player are not coming up. Does anyone know why?
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Sony may sell Masters of the Universe reboot to Netflix.
https://bamsmackpow.com/2019/10/13/s...m_medium=email |
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Do you remember the old series of this show? |
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Here is an update on the Disney+ launch in the UK.
https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...zon-for-brits/ |
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Sky News: Brexit Free will launch tomorrow at 5pm on Sky Channel 523 and YouTube the channel will operate 5-days a week from 5pm to 10pm
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