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denphone 28-09-2019 12:44

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36012048)
The BBC have said the two will coexist , most people have seen the oldies to death and many have DVD Boxsets of them. Britbox is a great idea in other countries for those who don't get to see all the BBC content but I can't see much interest here.

l still stand by my original statement of it won't last much longer then a year.

Legendkiller2k 28-09-2019 13:08

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l still stand by my original statement of it won't last much longer then a year.

You seem to dismiss a lot of online services mate do you have something against streaming services?

denphone 28-09-2019 13:24

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36012051)
You seem to dismiss a lot of online services mate do you have something against streaming services?

l have nothing against streaming services as we have Netflix and Prime video in our household so l am not sure where you are coming from on that one as my personal opinion is one of many personal opinions on here and members can agree or disagree with it.

jfman 28-09-2019 15:13

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It’s quite bizarre you can’t question a streaming service without being accused of having something against them. Eleven Sports demonstrated people won’t buy something just because it’s streaming. You still have to offer something people want, which is as true on the Sky platform, on Virgin, or if you are retailing directly.

OLD BOY 28-09-2019 19:07

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This looks like a sneek preview of Sky's new IPTV service that will be coming to the UK soon. Typically, Sky is not offering the best picture quality, presumably to deter satellite customers from leaving. Not exactly customer friendly, are they?

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...re-only-sky-q/

spiderplant 28-09-2019 19:40

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012071)
Typically, Sky is not offering the best picture quality, presumably to deter satellite customers from leaving. Not exactly customer friendly, are they?

Even if it did support UHD, there wouldn't be any incentive for satellite customers to leave (I assume the pricing is similar). More likely Sky don't want the support problems caused by broadband outside their control not being fast enough for UHD.

jfman 28-09-2019 19:55

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Indeed they’re saying 15 meg to support three streams plus a tablet. Throw in Ultra HD at 25 meg and suddenly the number of people having not having fast enough internet increases significantly.

If Sky could reliably offer the product they would, it’s not nothing to do with being “not exactly customer friendly” more that the underlying infrastructure isn’t there to guarantee reliably offering a premium product.

As Spiderplant says, there’s no incentive for a satellite customer to move to the IP based product anyway. Why would they want to sacrifice internet bandwidth for an identical service?

Legendkiller2k 28-09-2019 20:37

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36012052)
l have nothing against streaming services as we have Netflix and Prime video in our household so l am not sure where you are coming from on that one as my personal opinion is one of many personal opinions on here and members can agree or disagree with it.

It just seemed that way with your posts, i wasn't accusing you it was just a question.
I obviously have got the wrong end of the stick.

denphone 28-09-2019 20:54

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36012082)
It just seemed that way with your posts, i wasn't accusing you it was just a question.
I obviously have got the wrong end of the stick.

Don't worry Legendkiller2k as its easy to misread someone as we all do it from time to time.:)

Legendkiller2k 28-09-2019 21:31

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36012083)
Don't worry Legendkiller2k as its easy to misread someone as we all do it from time to time.:)

Thankyou for being understanding :)
btw i do agree with you on britbox i think 2 years tops it will last.

muppetman11 28-09-2019 23:20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012071)
This looks like a sneek preview of Sky's new IPTV service that will be coming to the UK soon. Typically, Sky is not offering the best picture quality, presumably to deter satellite customers from leaving. Not exactly customer friendly, are they?

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...re-only-sky-q/

Isn't BT the only live IPTV service in the UK to offer UHD and that's because it uses its own multicast network to deliver it meaning you must have BT internet and be able to receive a certain speed. Sky may intend to deliver it to customers no matter who's your ISP.

Legendkiller2k 28-09-2019 23:22

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36012094)
Isn't BT the only live IPTV service to offer UHD and that's because it uses its own multicast network to deliver it meaning you must have BT internet and be able to receive a certain speed. Sky may intend to deliver it to customers no matter who's your ISP.

I'm sure i read somewhere BT are thinking about rolling it's tv service out to all isps.

spiderplant 29-09-2019 09:55

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36012094)
Sky may intend to deliver it to customers no matter who's your ISP.

www.sky.it lists 5 ISPs that are currently approved. There's also a link for other ISPs to apply for approval, but it includes a list of requirements including a minimum of 2 x 10Gbps links direct to Sky's campus in Milan to be installed at the operator's expense.

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 12:42

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012076)
Indeed they’re saying 15 meg to support three streams plus a tablet. Throw in Ultra HD at 25 meg and suddenly the number of people having not having fast enough internet increases significantly.

If Sky could reliably offer the product they would, it’s not nothing to do with being “not exactly customer friendly” more that the underlying infrastructure isn’t there to guarantee reliably offering a premium product.

As Spiderplant says, there’s no incentive for a satellite customer to move to the IP based product anyway. Why would they want to sacrifice internet bandwidth for an identical service?

In the longer term, Sky is planning on moving its pay-TV customers away from satellite in favour of IPTV. This is why it seems odd that they are not offering UHD, unless for accounting purposes Sky doesn't want customers to move just yet, thus attracting mainly new customers to IPTV at this stage.

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36012074)
Even if it did support UHD, there wouldn't be any incentive for satellite customers to leave (I assume the pricing is similar). More likely Sky don't want the support problems caused by broadband outside their control not being fast enough for UHD.

That is easily overcome by ensuring that only customers with a specified broadband connection are accepted to take UHD. Isn't that what Virgin do now for customers with a V6?

muppetman11 29-09-2019 12:42

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012129)
In the longer term, Sky is planning on moving its pay-TV customers away from satellite in favour of IPTV. This is why it seems odd that they are not offering UHD, unless for accounting purposes Sky doesn't want customers to move just yet, thus attracting mainly new customers to IPTV at this stage.

It's more likely to be a support issue with users accessing the service over different ISP's they can't guarantee the service the same as say BT who deliver its live UHD over its own multicast service.

jfman 29-09-2019 12:55

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012129)
In the longer term, Sky is planning on moving its pay-TV customers away from satellite in favour of IPTV. This is why it seems odd that they are not offering UHD, unless for accounting purposes Sky doesn't want customers to move just yet, thus attracting mainly new customers to IPTV at this stage.[COLOR="Silver"]

A Sky customer is a Sky customer, regardless of delivery method. In the longer term Sky will have plans, but whether Italian broadband infrastructure is up to it today is unknown.

There’s no rational reason for Sky not to offer UHD if the infrastructure is up to it. The reality is that it’s not, and they don’t want the reputational risk that will go along with deploying an untested product.

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That is easily overcome by ensuring that only customers with a specified broadband connection are accepted to take UHD. Isn't that what Virgin do now for customers with a V6?
100 meg? Yeah they could do that, and see how many potential customers they rule out in the process.

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 16:07

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012134)
A Sky customer is a Sky customer, regardless of delivery method. In the longer term Sky will have plans, but whether Italian broadband infrastructure is up to it today is unknown.

There’s no rational reason for Sky not to offer UHD if the infrastructure is up to it. The reality is that it’s not, and they don’t want the reputational risk that will go along with deploying an untested product.



100 meg? Yeah they could do that, and see how many potential customers they rule out in the process.

The customers with less would simply be told that they would only be able to access HD. They don't have to miss out on the service altogether.

I am sure that you may have a point on Italian broadband not being ready yet, which could explain matters.

jfman 29-09-2019 16:16

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012172)
The customers with less would simply be told that they would only be able to access HD. They don't have to miss out on the service altogether.

I am sure that you may have a point on Italian broadband not being ready yet, which could explain matters.

A customer who buys an advertised product, with UHD, who hooks it up and finds their ISP isn’t offering consistently high enough speeds isn’t going to be happy at effectively being missold a product. They might cancel, then Sky have associated costs to set it up and no customer through no fault of their own.

If Sky have aspirations to launch two or three UHD channels then again that’s more pressure if people are wanting to record multiple streams.

It’s easier to just admit it’s a second tier product from outset and wait for internet infrastructure to catch up. I’d be interested to know if the hardware is UHD capable. By getting hardware out there they could run real world trials.

pip08456 29-09-2019 16:23

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012177)
A customer who buys an advertised product, with UHD, who hooks it up and finds their ISP isn’t offering consistently high enough speeds isn’t going to be happy at effectively being missold a product. They might cancel, then Sky have associated costs to set it up and no customer through no fault of their own.

If Sky have aspirations to launch two or three UHD channels then again that’s more pressure if people are wanting to record multiple streams.

It’s easier to just admit it’s a second tier product from outset and wait for internet infrastructure to catch up. I’d be interested to know if the hardware is UHD capable. By getting hardware out there they could run real world trials.

How could they be missold a product when they were told the minimum requirement? Yet again you are being argumentative just for the sake of it.

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 16:30

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012177)
A customer who buys an advertised product, with UHD, who hooks it up and finds their ISP isn’t offering consistently high enough speeds isn’t going to be happy at effectively being missold a product. They might cancel, then Sky have associated costs to set it up and no customer through no fault of their own.

If Sky have aspirations to launch two or three UHD channels then again that’s more pressure if people are wanting to record multiple streams.

It’s easier to just admit it’s a second tier product from outset and wait for internet infrastructure to catch up. I’d be interested to know if the hardware is UHD capable. By getting hardware out there they could run real world trials.

I think I made clear that the decision to provide UHD viewing would be made by Sky in the same way that Virgin do for their V6 boxes. It would not be Sky's product that was inadequate, it would be the broadband connection, and that would be made clear at the start of the contract.

So the new customer with poor broadband speed would not lose out on the service whereas the UHD availability might attract many new customers with good broadband who were not allowed a satellite dish, etc, or who wanted to transfer from VM, BT or Talk Talk but did not want a dish.

jfman 29-09-2019 16:42

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36012182)
How could they be missold a product when they were told the minimum requirement? Yet again you are being argumentative just for the sake of it.

Nobody has ever complained that their internet provider isn’t offering advertised speeds? Nobody has ever complained it drops at peak times? Weekends?

“I pay for 76 meg I assumed that was what I got, turns out it’s only 30?”.

Add in the variable wireless performance of different ISP routers in the market and it’s simply something that Sky, or any reputable company, wouldn’t want to touch with a barge pole with their flagship premium product.

You are kidding yourself on if you think otherwise. Old Boy even agrees with me on this.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012187)
I think I made clear that the decision to provide UHD viewing would be made by Sky in the same way that Virgin do for their V6 boxes. It would not be Sky's product that was inadequate, it would be the broadband connection, and that would be made clear at the start of the contract.

So the new customer with poor broadband speed would not lose out on the service whereas the UHD availability might attract many new customers with good broadband who were not allowed a satellite dish, etc, or who wanted to transfer from VM, BT or Talk Talk but did not want a dish.

So what information do Sky rely on? Speed checkers? Actual testing of the equipment on site at installation? And if it drops at peak time? Does the ISP have an obligation to investigate? Openreach? How much time/money/effort goes in before a customer just sends it back (and goes to Virgin, BT or someone who does offer UHD over their own infrastructure).

Virgin can do this for the V6 because it’s Virgin’s broadband product on Virgin’s infrastructure. The DOCSIS network is more than capable.

I have no doubt that Sky will move to IP based delivery in Italy, the UK and everywhere else but there’s many questions to be overcome between now and then. The closure of the Now TV 1080p trial here doesn’t fill me with optimism at present.

Interestingly the UK Government has watered down it’s fibre commitment.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-target.html

Full fibre is now “gigabit capable”.

pip08456 29-09-2019 17:12

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012189)
Nobody has ever complained that their internet provider isn’t offering advertised speeds? Nobody has ever complained it drops at peak times? Weekends?

“I pay for 76 meg I assumed that was what I got, turns out it’s only 30?”.

Add in the variable wireless performance of different ISP routers in the market and it’s simply something that Sky, or any reputable company, wouldn’t want to touch with a barge pole with their flagship premium product.

You are kidding yourself on if you think otherwise. Old Boy even agrees with me on this.

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So what information do Sky rely on? Speed checkers? Actual testing of the equipment on site at installation? And if it drops at peak time? Does the ISP have an obligation to investigate? Openreach? How much time/money/effort goes in before a customer just sends it back (and goes to Virgin, BT or someone who does offer UHD over their own infrastructure).

Virgin can do this for the V6 because it’s Virgin’s broadband product on Virgin’s infrastructure. The DOCSIS network is more than capable.

I have no doubt that Sky will move to IP based delivery in Italy, the UK and everywhere else but there’s many questions to be overcome between now and then. The closure of the Now TV 1080p trial here doesn’t fill me with optimism at present.

Interestingly the UK Government has watered down it’s fibre commitment.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-target.html

Full fibre is now “gigabit capable”.

What has that got to do with Sky mis-selling a product? Absolutely nothing!

Certainly on Openreach's VDSL offering via BTWholesale instances of peaktime loss of speed have been vastly reduced.

jfman 29-09-2019 17:19

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36012201)
What has that got to do with Sky mis-selling a product? Absolutely nothing!

Certainly on Openreach's VDSL offering via BTWholesale instances of peaktime loss of speed have been vastly reduced.

The end user won’t care for the distinction. It’s Sky selling a product and not delivering.

Why do you think Sky in Italy won’t be offering UHD on the IP product at launch? Irrational fear of IP? You accuse me of being argumentative but even when Old Boy and I broadly agree you come along to argue the toss over nothing.

pip08456 29-09-2019 17:29

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012203)
The end user won’t care for the distinction. It’s Sky selling a product and not delivering.

Why do you think Sky in Italy won’t be offering UHD on the IP product at launch? Irrational fear of IP? You accuse me of being argumentative but even when Old Boy and I broadly agree you come along to argue the toss over nothing.

You will find that those customers will care when they find out they are tied into contract because they have not been mis-sold a product.

It has noything to do with what Sky is offering in Italy and everything to do with what they decide to offer in the UK.

jfman 29-09-2019 17:32

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36012213)
You will find that those customers will care when they find out they are tied into contract because they have not been mis-sold a product.

And they’ll be angry at Sky! Hence the reputational risk I’ve outlined.

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It has noything to do with what Sky is offering in Italy and everything to do with what they decide to offer in the UK.
How does internet technology differ in Italy vs the UK? The same principles and challenges exist everywhere. You can’t offer an answer because you know I’m right on this. Stick to the Brexit thread, you’ve nothing insightful to offer this one.

pip08456 29-09-2019 17:45

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And they’ll be angry at Sky! Hence the reputational risk I’ve outlined.



How does internet technology differ in Italy vs the UK? The same principles and challenges exist everywhere. You can’t offer an answer because you know I’m right on this. Stick to the Brexit thread, you’ve nothing insightful to offer this one.

Full of your own self-importance and spewing carp again I see. I do not need to know anything about Italy, I do know more than you about Openreach delivery and BTWholesale supply though.

Of course you can prove me wrong by opening THIS page.

jfman 29-09-2019 17:57

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36012218)
Full of your own self-importance and spewing carp again I see. I do not need to know anything about Italy, I do know more than you about Openreach delivery and BTWholesale supply though.

Of course you can prove me wrong by opening THIS page.

Yet with your massive depth of knowledge, and your Openreach login, you’ve offered nothing to the thread? Interesting.

The reality is the bandwidth required to support a “Sky Q experience” over IP isn’t there. In the UK that’s six simultaneous recordings, a seventh live broadcast and a mobile device. You could prove me wrong though, with your Openreach customer zone login...

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 19:43

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012203)
The end user won’t care for the distinction. It’s Sky selling a product and not delivering.

Why do you think Sky in Italy won’t be offering UHD on the IP product at launch? Irrational fear of IP? You accuse me of being argumentative but even when Old Boy and I broadly agree you come along to argue the toss over nothing.

Sorry, jfman, but try as I may not to disagree with you, I have to say that you are approaching this from a very extreme and negative angle.

As I would see it, Sky would verify the type of broadband that the customer had prior to installation. The customer would be told about the minimum speeds necessary to support UHD. If problems materialised down the line, and the issue was the internet speeds then the customer would be advised to get a different broadband package, if available.

If, for reasons of cost or availability in the area, nothing could be done about the broadband speed, the customer would be advised that the UHD facility would be cut off, it would now be HD only and a lower price would be charged.

Hence, the customer is helped to make the right decision, a lower price is paid and the system works satisfactorily.

You are very good at identifying problems, jfman, I'll give you that. You need to work a bit on how to solve those problems, though.

oliver1948uk 29-09-2019 19:53

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And how many paid man/woman hours is that lot going to take to sort out?

jfman 29-09-2019 19:58

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012250)
Sorry, jfman, but try as I may not to disagree with you, I have to say that you are approaching this from a very extreme and negative angle.

As I would see it, Sky would verify the type of broadband that the customer had prior to installation. The customer would be told about the minimum speeds necessary to support UHD. If problems materialised down the line, and the issue was the internet speeds then the customer would be advised to get a different broadband package, if available.

If, for reasons of cost or availability in the area, nothing could be done about the broadband speed, the customer would be advised that the UHD facility would be cut off, it would now be HD only and a lower price would be charged.

Hence, the customer is helped to make the right decision, a lower price is paid and the system works satisfactorily.

You are very good at identifying problems, jfman, I'll give you that. You need to work a bit on how to solve those problems, though.

I don't need to work out how to solve the problems - Sky and broadband providers evidently do.

There's no rational reason for Sky not to offer the service if it was as easy as you say. They'd immediately throw the gauntlet down to every DTT, IPTV and cable operator out there, gaining inroads where users don't have line of sight or for some other reason aren't allowed a satellite dish.

Sky aren't putting these things on walls because they make a huge profit margin on the physical dish itself. A customer is a customer whatever the delivery method. That leaves us with one conclusion... And one only.

UHD streams are 25MB/sec on the Eutelsat 13 position. It only takes two of those to choke up your average FTTC connection.

It is neither extreme nor negative to point out observable reality. Sky, with an obligation to their shareholders, should be doing everything in their power to realistically increase their footprint. And rightly so. Yet, there's a stumbling block.

If, and when, FTTP becomes more prevalent then it's the natural next step. However we are some years off in the UK although I can't speak for Italy

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Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 36012252)
And how many paid man/woman hours is that lot going to take to sort out?

To come to the obvious conclusion: give them the satellite version.

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 20:03

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Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 36012252)
And how many paid man/woman hours is that lot going to take to sort out?

It's not exactly rocket science, old bean.

jfman 29-09-2019 20:16

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012257)
It's not exactly rocket science, old bean.

Is it? Are Sky going to go out to test every piece of kit during peak internet usage periods to identify if it’s a Wi-fi issue or the ISP? Are they going to take forward the complaint if the ISP isn’t living up to expectation? Is the customer going to walk away during a cooling off period? Or is it going to be a spreadsheet exercise then you are on your own?

How many people are going to be disappointed, or have to pay a price premium to upgrade their broadband when Sky could/should have just gave them a dish?

How many people are going to be disappointed their broadband becomes virtually unusable as the Sky Q hogs the majority of their bandwidth.

It’s a huge reputational risk to try to deliver this and fail. The question remains if it’s that easy why are Sky, with their shareholder obligations, not doing it?

Chris 29-09-2019 21:44

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OB, like everyone who has ever called a radio phone-in at 5pm on a Saturday evening to tell the world what their team’s manager *should* have done to get the three points ... you talk a good game.

jfman 29-09-2019 22:49

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It’s worth noting “Sky without a dish” https://www.skygroup.sky/corporate/m...ons-more-homes was expected in the UK last year.

Hugh 29-09-2019 23:19

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012257)
It's not exactly rocket science, old bean.

Actually, it’s not far from it.

My buddy works as a Network Technical Architect for the Beeb, and he’s part of a very large team - his focus is on Network Architecture, and his comment it’s that none of the major suppliers could support widespread UHD on multiple channels, in the near to medium future.

He’s an expert in this area, so I believe him.

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 23:31

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012260)
Is it? Are Sky going to go out to test every piece of kit during peak internet usage periods to identify if it’s a Wi-fi issue or the ISP? Are they going to take forward the complaint if the ISP isn’t living up to expectation? Is the customer going to walk away during a cooling off period? Or is it going to be a spreadsheet exercise then you are on your own?

How many people are going to be disappointed, or have to pay a price premium to upgrade their broadband when Sky could/should have just gave them a dish?

How many people are going to be disappointed their broadband becomes virtually unusable as the Sky Q hogs the majority of their bandwidth.

It’s a huge reputational risk to try to deliver this and fail. The question remains if it’s that easy why are Sky, with their shareholder obligations, not doing it?

A thumbs down from you, then! Not unusual. :D

Well, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, won't it?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012281)
Actually, it’s not far from it.

My buddy works as a Network Technical Architect for the Beeb, and he’s part of a very large team - his focus is on Network Architecture, and his comment it’s that none of the major suppliers could support widespread UHD on multiple channels, in the near to medium future.

He’s an expert in this area, so I believe him.

So you think Sky is wrong to have a plan to replace satellite TV with IPTV.

Interesting.

1andrew1 29-09-2019 23:36

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36012272)
OB, like everyone who has ever called a radio phone-in at 5pm on a Saturday evening to tell the world what their team’s manager *should* have done to get the three points ... you talk a good game.

:D:D:D

jfman 29-09-2019 23:41

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A thumbs down from you, then! Not unusual. :D

Well, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, won't it?

It’s simply not viable at this stage.

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So you think Sky is wrong to have a plan to replace satellite TV with IPTV.

Interesting.
That’s not what he said. He said near to medium term. It’d be reckless of Sky to not have a long term plan that looked at future requirements for the business.

End of life for the Astra 2 satellites for the UK will be nearly 2030.

Eutelsat, who broadcast Sky to Italy, are renewing their fleet at 13 degrees east with two new satellites in 2021, these will have a likely 15 year lifespan. Albeit, that doesn’t mean it will be Sky (Italy) who are using them.

Move to IPTV of some description is inevitable, it just isn’t ready yet and there’s no urgency to deploy. It’s years off replacing satellite broadcasts for Sky. That’s not to say both a satellite and IPTV offering won’t coexist for some time sooner than that. The IPTV version has significant challenges - that’s why it and 1080p Now TV don’t exist in the UK yet.

Hugh 30-09-2019 08:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012281)
Actually, it’s not far from it.

My buddy works as a Network Technical Architect for the Beeb, and he’s part of a very large team - his focus is on Network Architecture, and his comment it’s that none of the major suppliers could support widespread UHD on multiple channels, in the near to medium future.

He’s an expert in this area, so I believe him.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012282)
A thumbs down from you, then! Not unusual. :D

Well, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, won't it?

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So you think Sky is wrong to have a plan to replace satellite TV with IPTV.

Interesting.

Not what I said...

OLD BOY 30-09-2019 12:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012295)
Not what I said...

I know you didn't. I was asking if that's what you thought, that's all.

1andrew1 30-09-2019 13:05

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I know you didn't. I was asking if that's what you thought, that's all.

You put it as a statement of fact and not as a question, hence why Hugh explained to you that he didn't say it.

jfman 30-09-2019 13:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36012314)
You put it as a statement of fact and not as a question, hence why Hugh explained to you that he didn't say it.

As well as not being framed as a question it had the snide "interesting" after it. The classic Old Boy straw man being put up trying to imply someone made an argument they actually didn't.

denphone 30-09-2019 13:28

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
4 Reasons why Disney+ Could Surpass Netflix.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/...s-netflix.aspx

Hugh 30-09-2019 14:45

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012312)
I know you didn't. I was asking if that's what you thought, that's all.

So you think the BBC Network Technical Architecture team is wrong about their knowledge of UHD and IPTV capabilities, and don't have a medium term plan.

Interesting.

jfman 30-09-2019 16:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36012318)
4 Reasons why Disney+ Could Surpass Netflix.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/...s-netflix.aspx

I’m a fan of their declaration at the bottom.

Stephen Lovely owns shares of Apple, AT&T, and Netflix. The Motley Fool owns shares of and recommends Apple, Netflix, and Walt Disney. The Motley Fool has the following options: long January 2021 $60 calls on Walt Disney, short October 2019 $125 calls on Walt Disney, short January 2020 $155 calls on Apple, long January 2020 $150 calls on Apple, short January 2020 $155 calls on Apple, and long January 2020 $150 calls on Apple. The Motley Fool recommends Comcast. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.

It’s more transparent than “random digital marketing company predicts streaming future due to dubious online survey”.

denphone 30-09-2019 17:02

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012328)
I’m a fan of their declaration at the bottom.

Stephen Lovely owns shares of Apple, AT&T, and Netflix. The Motley Fool owns shares of and recommends Apple, Netflix, and Walt Disney. The Motley Fool has the following options: long January 2021 $60 calls on Walt Disney, short October 2019 $125 calls on Walt Disney, short January 2020 $155 calls on Apple, long January 2020 $150 calls on Apple, short January 2020 $155 calls on Apple, and long January 2020 $150 calls on Apple. The Motley Fool recommends Comcast. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.

It’s more transparent than “random digital marketing company predicts streaming future due to dubious online survey”.

l fully understand your meaning.;)

OLD BOY 30-09-2019 17:22

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012321)
So you think the BBC Network Technical Architecture team is wrong about their knowledge of UHD and IPTV capabilities, and don't have a medium term plan.

Interesting.

:D Very drole!

---------- Post added at 17:22 ---------- Previous post was at 17:21 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012328)
I’m a fan of their declaration at the bottom.

Stephen Lovely owns shares of Apple, AT&T, and Netflix. The Motley Fool owns shares of and recommends Apple, Netflix, and Walt Disney. The Motley Fool has the following options: long January 2021 $60 calls on Walt Disney, short October 2019 $125 calls on Walt Disney, short January 2020 $155 calls on Apple, long January 2020 $150 calls on Apple, short January 2020 $155 calls on Apple, and long January 2020 $150 calls on Apple. The Motley Fool recommends Comcast. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.

It’s more transparent than “random digital marketing company predicts streaming future due to dubious online survey”.

That article must be right, then. :rolleyes:

jfman 30-09-2019 17:30

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Again that’s not the point being made, Old Boy...

Chris 30-09-2019 17:32

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012338)
:D Very drole!

---------- Post added at 17:22 ---------- Previous post was at 17:21 ----------



That article must be right, then. :rolleyes:

In the sense that they’re prepared to put their money where their corporate mouth is, as opposed to merely using SEO and cheap survey monkey gimmicks to run self-perpetuating, clickbait-funded blogs, then yes, I’d say it’s a reasonable bet that their view is a more reliable guide to the medium term development of TV services than the fayre you usually Google up for us.

muppetman11 30-09-2019 22:56

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36012318)
4 Reasons why Disney+ Could Surpass Netflix.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/...s-netflix.aspx

This is a good read
https://seekingalpha.com/article/429...ercent-problem

jfman 30-09-2019 23:28

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Here a few months back I was starting to wonder that I was a lone wolf howling at the moon over Netflix. Now not so much.

denphone 01-10-2019 05:27

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36012392)

Thanks for that MM as it is a good read.:tu:

---------- Post added at 05:27 ---------- Previous post was at 05:25 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012395)
Here a few months back I was starting to wonder that I was a lone wolf howling at the moon over Netflix. Now not so much.

One has to say it as it is l always find jfman and then its up to members to discuss its rights and wrongs.

muppetman11 01-10-2019 09:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012395)
Here a few months back I was starting to wonder that I was a lone wolf howling at the moon over Netflix. Now not so much.

I have been fully in agreement , whilst it's not all doom and gloom for Netflix it certainly has very challenging times ahead in my opinion.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...money-cant-buy

Horizon 01-10-2019 12:14

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Just a little reminder to all:

Disney + has zero subscribers
HBOmax has zero subscribers
Peacock has zero subscribers
Apple + has zero subscribers

because they haven't launched yet and as far as many international markets go, some of these services are still at least a year away to launching.

Netflix has 150 million subscribers and counting and in another year will have millions more customers and thousands of hours of more new tv shows and films.

I don't discount the uphill challenge that Netflix will face, but at the moment, at least, Netflix is standing onto of the hill looking way down at the others.

What if Netflix were to take over someone like Lionsgate and/or MGM? That would add a ton of recognisable content. I'm not saying that will happen, but Netflix can adapt as it sees fit.

When all these streamers are launched that will then impact on the media companies' existing services, especially pay tv channels like HBO and ESPN. It's not a zero sum game.

Disney+ will be cheap when it launches, but it needs to offset losses that will inevitably happen as a result of cannibalisation to existing services and loss of revenue from expiring licensing deals. Disney's streamer will need to get a lot of subscribers very quickly, but with Disney's vast content, its doable, but even Netflix will still have rights to some of Disney's content for at least another eighteen months, so it's Disney and the others that has got the main challenge, not Netflix.

muppetman11 01-10-2019 12:16

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Peacock will have plenty of customers from the off as the main part of its service is ad free delivering an estimated $5 per customer.

I think you haven't fully read the articles , Netflix Originals on their own at the price they currently charge won't keep people interested they simply haven't got enough and many of what they have are cancelled shows meaning no future series.

pip08456 01-10-2019 12:34

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This is an interesting read.

Netflix Accelerates Canadian Investment as Streaming Competition Heats Up.

jfman 01-10-2019 13:12

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36012435)
Just a little reminder to all:

Disney + has zero subscribers
HBOmax has zero subscribers
Peacock has zero subscribers
Apple + has zero subscribers

because they haven't launched yet and as far as many international markets go, some of these services are still at least a year away to launching.

Netflix has 150 million subscribers and counting and in another year will have millions more customers and thousands of hours of more new tv shows and films.

I don't discount the uphill challenge that Netflix will face, but at the moment, at least, Netflix is standing onto of the hill looking way down at the others.

What if Netflix were to take over someone like Lionsgate and/or MGM? That would add a ton of recognisable content. I'm not saying that will happen, but Netflix can adapt as it sees fit.

When all these streamers are launched that will then impact on the media companies' existing services, especially pay tv channels like HBO and ESPN. It's not a zero sum game.

Disney+ will be cheap when it launches, but it needs to offset losses that will inevitably happen as a result of cannibalisation to existing services and loss of revenue from expiring licensing deals. Disney's streamer will need to get a lot of subscribers very quickly, but with Disney's vast content, its doable, but even Netflix will still have rights to some of Disney's content for at least another eighteen months, so it's Disney and the others that has got the main challenge, not Netflix.

If Netflix were to take over someone else their already substantial debt, and associated interest payments, go up!

denphone 01-10-2019 13:18

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36012436)
Peacock will have plenty of customers from the off as the main part of its service is ad free delivering an estimated $5 per customer.

I think you haven't fully read the articles , Netflix Originals on their own at the price they currently charge won't keep people interested they simply haven't got enough and many of what they have are cancelled shows meaning no future series.

No doubt Netflix will come out fighting but they better be prepared for a big fight once the other big 80lb gorillas start entering the ring as they will have some formidable weapons at their disposal.

Horizon 01-10-2019 13:37

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012443)
If Netflix were to take over someone else their already substantial debt, and associated interest payments, go up!

Yes, which is why I don't think that would happen, that was just my suggestion of what Netflix might do. I expect more mergers from the existing studios before the tech companies then get involved.

Disney, AT&T and Comcast have instantly recognisable brands which should in theory, sell those companies' streaming services for them.

Legendkiller2k 01-10-2019 14:57

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36012444)
No doubt Netflix will come out fighting but they better be prepared for a big fight once the other big 80lb gorillas start entering the ring as they will have some formidable weapons at their disposal.

Apple+ wont do very well i think yes it's Apple but they are well known for overpriced rubbish.

denphone 01-10-2019 15:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36012451)
Apple+ wont do very well i think yes it's Apple but they are well known for overpriced rubbish.

There are two things which Apple has in spades and makes them dangerous and that is a most formidable war chest and a track record of having very smooth running systems.

Horizon 01-10-2019 15:31

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Besides, I reckon they will ultimately take over Disney as some pundits have been predicting for years.

Legendkiller2k 01-10-2019 15:45

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36012453)
There are two things which Apple has in spades and makes them dangerous and that is a most formidable war chest and a track record of having very smooth running systems.

Also they have history of delibrately slowing down old systems to force people to upgrade.

muppetman11 01-10-2019 16:54

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36012456)
Besides, I reckon they will ultimately take over Disney as some pundits have been predicting for years.

Never say never but can't see it personally , Disney currently has a market cap of over $230 billion and then theres the competition issues that could arise.

denphone 01-10-2019 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36012461)
Never say never but can see it personally , Disney currently has a market cap of over $230 billion and then theres the competition issues that could arise.

Indeed huge competition issues would make it extremely unlikely.

Horizon 01-10-2019 17:57

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Disagree on the competition issues, chaps. Apple is a tech company, Disney a media one. They operate in different markets, well at least until Apple's streamer launches.

Apple was Disney's largest shareholder at one point after the Pixar takeover and today Disney's CEO Bog Iger sits on the Apple board.

I think if a big tech company with lots of money wants to get involved in televisions and film, Disney would be the No 1 target.

muppetman11 01-10-2019 18:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36012467)
Disagree on the competition issues, chaps. Apple is a tech company, Disney a media one. They operate in different markets, well at least until Apple's streamer launches.

Apple was Disney's largest shareholder at one point after the Pixar takeover and today Disney's CEO Bog Iger sits on the Apple board.

I think if a big tech company with lots of money wants to get involved in televisions and film, Disney would be the No 1 target.

Quote:

Then again, because of Apple's size, a deal for Disney could be a tough sell for regulators, even if the companies don't really compete. Antitrust lawyers are probably rooting for this option.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/what...hould-buy.html

jfman 01-10-2019 18:13

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You don't necessarily have to operate in the same market to create competition issues, although it's the most obvious. Vertical integration, of any description, can result in two markets being distorted by one merger especially if it makes one supermassive company that has a significant market share in both markets.

There's also a world of difference between being a shareholder and owning 100% and having operating control.

bubblegun 03-10-2019 22:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36012467)
Disagree on the competition issues, chaps. Apple is a tech company, Disney a media one. They operate in different markets, well at least until Apple's streamer launches.

Apple was Disney's largest shareholder at one point after the Pixar takeover and today Disney's CEO Bog Iger sits on the Apple board.

I think if a big tech company with lots of money wants to get involved in televisions and film, Disney would be the No 1 target.

He resigned 10 days ago.

pip08456 03-10-2019 22:55

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012469)
You don't necessarily have to operate in the same market to create competition issues, although it's the most obvious. Vertical integration, of any description, can result in two markets being distorted by one merger especially if it makes one supermassive company that has a significant market share in both markets.

There's also a world of difference between being a shareholder and owning 100% and having operating control.

Whatever the streaming from them will happen.

jfman 04-10-2019 05:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36012710)
Whatever the streaming from them will happen.

It took two days to come up with “whatever”???

I take it up your openreach login doesn’t do economics.

heavyside 07-10-2019 07:18

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I know I'm probably late to the party but I started a 30-day free trial of Amazon Prime this weekend on my V6. I found the picture and sound quality very good but a bit confusing to sort out the 'included' programmes from the ones that cost extra. It loaded fairly quicly and a nice touch was the ability to choose the size of subtitles (if needed) which would suit screens of different sizes. All in all a good experience and I might well continue with a sub after the trial period as I buy frequently from Amazon and the next day delivery is attractive.

ozsat 07-10-2019 08:16

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Programmes included in Prime have a 'Prime' banner in their picture - but other than that Amazon don't make it clear.

They don't make it easy to find the highest definiation version either.

OLD BOY 07-10-2019 08:51

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36013028)
Programmes included in Prime have a 'Prime' banner in their picture - but other than that Amazon don't make it clear.

They don't make it easy to find the highest definiation version either.

This seems to have been sorted out on the V6 search facility now. Previously, UHD programmes were not coming up, but now the highest definition available appears.

On the Amazon search, I think HD and UHD come up together, it's just a case of choosing which one you want to watch. Additionally, all the 4K stuff comes up on one line on the main screen.

ozsat 07-10-2019 09:04

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Within the Amazon app - selecting The Grand Tour offers HD - not UHD. You have to search for the UHD version.

OLD BOY 07-10-2019 09:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36013039)
Within the Amazon app - selecting The Grand Tour offers HD - not UHD. You have to search for the UHD version.

I've just looked 'Grand Tour' up on my Amazon Fire Stick, and the HD and 4K versions have come up side by side, with the '4K' sign in the top right hand corner of the picture.

When I do the same on the V6, seasons 1,2 and 3 in SD are shown first, followed by the UHD versions. In the V6 version of the app, the UHD sign is indicated most prominently in the title below the picture, although a 'UHD' indicator appears on the top left hand side, in very small print just above the 'Prime' indicator.

Is this not what you are seeing?

ozsat 07-10-2019 09:40

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The Firestick doesn't use the app so gives different results.
Within an app - type 'Clarkson' as the search.
I get 'The Grand Tour' as first choice - but no mention of UHD.

muppetman11 07-10-2019 10:40

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Amazon is a mess in comparison to Netflix.

denphone 07-10-2019 11:37

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36013047)
Amazon is a mess in comparison to Netflix.

No doubt about that MM.

OLD BOY 07-10-2019 12:56

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36013044)
The Firestick doesn't use the app so gives different results.
Within an app - type 'Clarkson' as the search.
I get 'The Grand Tour' as first choice - but no mention of UHD.

That's probably because by not being precise about what you are looking for, other programmes with reference to 'Clarkson' come up. For some reason, the search prioritises HD programmes over UHD. However, a little further along that line, the 4K versions appear.

---------- Post added at 12:56 ---------- Previous post was at 12:53 ----------

The BBC is relaunching its i-Player next year with a brand new look.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...aunch-in-2020/

ozsat 07-10-2019 13:07

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But that is the point of the search - you don't always know what you are looking for - but whatever you decide on should be the best quality offering. It should default to the best quality available - as Netflix does.

If the BBC iPlayer replacement is anything like their BBC iPlayer Radio replacement - then it is goodbye BBC iPlayer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36013058)
That's probably because by not being precise about what you are looking for, other programmes with reference to 'Clarkson' come up. For some reason, the search prioritises HD programmes over UHD. However, a little further along that line, the 4K versions appear.

---------- Post added at 12:56 ---------- Previous post was at 12:53 ----------

The BBC is relaunching its i-Player next year with a brand new look.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...aunch-in-2020/


OLD BOY 07-10-2019 13:24

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36013064)
But that is the point of the search - you don't always know what you are looking for - but whatever you decide on should be the best quality offering. It should default to the best quality available - as Netflix does.

If the BBC iPlayer replacement is anything like their BBC iPlayer Radio replacement - then it is goodbye BBC iPlayer.

I certainly agree with you that the 4K content should be listed before the HD stuff, but you will always get variances on how these apps work. That won't change until such time as an industry standard is agreed.

As far as the i-Player is concerned, I doubt that this will be going south at all. They will throw resources into improving their site, because as confirmed in 'The Times' today....

'In the long term the Corporation sees iPlayer and its Sounds audio app as the main ways people will access BBC services, suggesting that conventional channels such as BBC One, BBC Two and Radio 4 will be marginalised'

By that, they mean 'before disappearing'! But then, we already know that, don't we? :D

Legendkiller2k 07-10-2019 17:29

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Maybe another nail in the coffin of AMC on BT?- Credit to Petestan on DS.

"Amazon Prime has picked up the new "teenager version of "The Walking Dead" in the UK and other areas, to air in the Spring."

denphone 07-10-2019 17:32

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36013101)
Maybe another nail in the coffin of AMC on BT?- Credit to Petestan on DS.

"Amazon Prime has picked up the new "teenager version of "The Walking Dead" in the UK and other areas, to air in the Spring."

l think its just a matter of time before BT say adios to AMC.

Stuart 07-10-2019 18:15

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36012435)
Just a little reminder to all:

Disney + has zero subscribers
HBOmax has zero subscribers
Peacock has zero subscribers
Apple + has zero subscribers

because they haven't launched yet and as far as many international markets go, some of these services are still at least a year away to launching.

Netflix has 150 million subscribers and counting and in another year will have millions more customers and thousands of hours of more new tv shows and films.

I don't discount the uphill challenge that Netflix will face, but at the moment, at least, Netflix is standing onto of the hill looking way down at the others.

What if Netflix were to take over someone like Lionsgate and/or MGM? That would add a ton of recognisable content. I'm not saying that will happen, but Netflix can adapt as it sees fit.

When all these streamers are launched that will then impact on the media companies' existing services, especially pay tv channels like HBO and ESPN. It's not a zero sum game.

Disney+ will be cheap when it launches, but it needs to offset losses that will inevitably happen as a result of cannibalisation to existing services and loss of revenue from expiring licensing deals. Disney's streamer will need to get a lot of subscribers very quickly, but with Disney's vast content, its doable, but even Netflix will still have rights to some of Disney's content for at least another eighteen months, so it's Disney and the others that has got the main challenge, not Netflix.

The problem is for Netflix is that the newbies, particularly Disney and Apple have very large reserves of cash. They can also invest more heavily that Netflix without going as far into debt.

Netflix's debt isn't a problem, as long as they can keep building their subscriber base, but they are getting near the point where that is likely to level off, which is where their investors might get nervous and pull funding. Competitors with large amounts of cash will make that a worse problem simply because it raises the amount of cash Netflix needs to spend to stay relevant.

Netflix needs to be very careful here. They are in the same position Blockbuster Video was in the 90s (Blockbuster was the largest investor in Hollywood). Look what happened to them. They didn't move with the times, and were ultimately bankrupted by Netflix and Amazon. Blockbuster were in that position about 10-15 years after they started. Netflix was in that position about 10-15 years after it started.

---------- Post added at 18:15 ---------- Previous post was at 18:12 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36013064)
But that is the point of the search - you don't always know what you are looking for - but whatever you decide on should be the best quality offering. It should default to the best quality available - as Netflix does.

If the BBC iPlayer replacement is anything like their BBC iPlayer Radio replacement - then it is goodbye BBC iPlayer.

I don't think iPlayer is going anywhere. Yes, iPlayer Radio did, but I don't think the BBC have found a way of streaming their radio online they are entirely happy with yet, and I think iPlayer Radio was just one of their attempts. A good one, from what I remember, but they wanted more info than it was designed to give.

pip08456 07-10-2019 18:31

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36013108)
The problem is for Netflix is that the newbies, particularly Disney and Apple have very large reserves of cash. They can also invest more heavily that Netflix without going as far into debt.

Netflix's debt isn't a problem, as long as they can keep building their subscriber base, but they are getting near the point where that is likely to level off, which is where their investors might get nervous and pull funding. Competitors with large amounts of cash will make that a worse problem simply because it raises the amount of cash Netflix needs to spend to stay relevant.

Netflix needs to be very careful here. They are in the same position Blockbuster Video was in the 90s (Blockbuster was the largest investor in Hollywood). Look what happened to them. They didn't move with the times, and were ultimately bankrupted by Netflix and Amazon. Blockbuster were in that position about 10-15 years after they started. Netflix was in that position about 10-15 years after it started.

---------- Post added at 18:15 ---------- Previous post was at 18:12 ----------



I don't think iPlayer is going anywhere. Yes, iPlayer Radio did, but I don't think the BBC have found a way of streaming their radio online they are entirely happy with yet, and I think iPlayer Radio was just one of their attempts. A good one, from what I remember, but they wanted more info than it was designed to give.

I agree with you Stuart, Netflix is in a precarious position and they will now have to invest heavily in creating their own content just to keep their customer base.
With past, present and future content they have relied upon being pulled from them them by the new streamers coming online.

Legendkiller2k 07-10-2019 18:38

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36013102)
l think its just a matter of time before BT say adios to AMC.

I agree.

OLD BOY 13-10-2019 02:58

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
While I am pleased that the UHD stuff is now coming up on VM Amazon searches, I am annoyed that searches for the BBC i-Player are not coming up. Does anyone know why?

Raider999 13-10-2019 10:54

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36013689)
While I am pleased that the UHD stuff is now coming up on VM Amazon searches, I am annoyed that searches for the BBC i-Player are not coming up. Does anyone know why?

All not well on the streaming front OB?

OLD BOY 13-10-2019 12:51

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36013704)
All not well on the streaming front OB?

Nothing wrong with the streaming. I just want to know why Virgin do not appear to be linking iPlayer programmes to their search engine.

denphone 14-10-2019 10:12

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Sony may sell Masters of the Universe reboot to Netflix.

https://bamsmackpow.com/2019/10/13/s...m_medium=email

Legendkiller2k 14-10-2019 10:53

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36013801)
Sony may sell Masters of the Universe reboot to Netflix.

https://bamsmackpow.com/2019/10/13/s...m_medium=email

Not bad considering some were shouting "netflix are doomed as they have no content."
Do you remember the old series of this show?

denphone 14-10-2019 12:09

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36013805)
Not bad considering some were shouting "netflix are doomed as they have no content."
Do you remember the old series of this show?

The older series of the show brings back many memories.:D

Mad Max 14-10-2019 20:42

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36013805)
Not bad considering some were shouting "netflix are doomed as they have no content."
Do you remember the old series of this show?

Spot on mate, the so called knowalls, know nowt!

denphone 14-10-2019 20:44

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36013913)
Spot on mate, the so called knowalls, know nowt!

l know nothing as you well know MM.:D:D

Mad Max 14-10-2019 20:48

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36013915)
l know nothing as you well know MM.:D:D

I know.....;):D

OLD BOY 15-10-2019 12:36

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Here is an update on the Disney+ launch in the UK.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...zon-for-brits/

Gavin-D 15-10-2019 15:06

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Sky News: Brexit Free will launch tomorrow at 5pm on Sky Channel 523 and YouTube the channel will operate 5-days a week from 5pm to 10pm

Hugh 15-10-2019 15:10

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 36013978)
Sky News: Brexit Free will launch tomorrow at 5pm on Sky Channel 523 and YouTube the channel will operate 5-days a week from 5pm to 10pm

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-...t-5pm-11835610

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Sky News is launching a new pop-up channel dedicated to Brexit-free news.

Sky News Brexit-Free will go on air tomorrow on Sky channel 523, and it will be live from 5pm to 10pm Monday to Friday. It will also be streamed on YouTube.

Sky News will continue to cover all angles of Brexit in detail on its main channel, as well as break big stories from the UK and around the world.

A study released this summer found that a third of people are avoiding the news entirely.

More than 70% of them blamed Brexit, saying they were too frustrated over the political debate surrounding it.

Almost 60% said the news was having a negative impact on their mood, and 40% felt they felt powerless to influence events.

John Ryley, the head of Sky News, said: "Sky News Brexit-Free is a bold approach but listening to public opinion over the past weeks and months, it's something we know our viewers will find valuable.

Legendkiller2k 15-10-2019 19:28

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Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 36013978)
Sky News: Brexit Free will launch tomorrow at 5pm on Sky Channel 523 and YouTube the channel will operate 5-days a week from 5pm to 10pm

This is quite amusing to me considering how anti brexit sky news is.


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