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jfman 10-08-2020 18:29
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If the punters are happy, that's all that matters. It's all about trade-offs.

Frankly, I cannot understand why you think this is a bad thing. The Amazon footie seems to have gone pretty well. I guess that's because the football fans are not particularly interested in the jfman economic theory. Thank God for choice!
Are the punters happy? Would the punters be happy? Your crystal ball gazing knows no bounds here, Old Boy.

You've once again speculated, however not evidenced, that the often hypothesised streaming future brings lower costs to the end user for Premiership football.

The fact you've got DAZN, a company with more liabilities than assets, outbidding Sky for the rights under no basis whatsoever means we can safely file most of your posts from today in the fiction section and return from time to time for entertainment value only.

OLD BOY 10-08-2020 19:12
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36046204)
Are the punters happy? Would the punters be happy? Your crystal ball gazing knows no bounds here, Old Boy.

You've once again speculated, however not evidenced, that the often hypothesised streaming future brings lower costs to the end user for Premiership football.

The fact you've got DAZN, a company with more liabilities than assets, outbidding Sky for the rights under no basis whatsoever means we can safely file most of your posts from today in the fiction section and return from time to time for entertainment value only.
I know jfman. It's crazy, isn't it?

Have you seen the Netflix figures? That company will never fly, will it?

DAZN? I'm sure it is dead in the water.

Any more economic predictions you can entertain us wth before we gst back to reality? ;)

jfman 10-08-2020 19:21
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36046209)
I know jfman. It's crazy, isn't it?

Have you seen the Netflix figures? That company will never fly, will it?

DAZN? I'm sure it is dead in the water.

Any more economic predictions you can entertain us wth before we gst back to reality? ;)
You are beyond parody, Old Boy. There used to be a vague semblance of something interesting in these posts, merely as a thought experiment more than anything else.

I'll continue to await the calculation on how a streamer raises and turns a profit on £5bn for Premiership football rights. I'm sure you'll tell me these people are geniuses, of course, but it was Sky who correctly predicted that none of them would enter the market for the first round of bids in 2019-22 and that the rights would go down in value.

What changes in 2022-25, other than the recession? If BT are right that the value of rights falls what makes Sky with it's customer base in place from day 1 less well placed than a streamer?

muppetman11 10-08-2020 19:23
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Er - what is the problem? They bid for the rights and they pay more for them than Sky is willing to put up. Once in the market, Sky may or may not bid in the future - they have already confirmed they will not pay silly money to retain them.

Once out of the picture, the streaming services will fight amongst themselves. What will this do for prices charged to punters? Well, we will see, but I believe that certainly Amazon, with the advantage of its retail arm, will have tricks up its sleeve to keep prices lower than at present.

That will drive subscribers towards Amazon, forcing their competitors to offer similar lower prices. That will reduce the bids for Premiership rights. This may take a few years to play out, but I am convinced that the ultimate impact will be favourable for subscribers.
You keep talking about streamers without actually figuring out that many of these are actually owned by the very companies your trying to kill off. Sky's parent company (Comcast) already has Now TV , Peacock and NBC Sports streaming services. Sky already have many other Sporting rights quite a lot of key ones something DAZN does not in the UK no way does DAZN spend anything like what the current rights are at in my opinion.

jfman 10-08-2020 19:28
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36046212)
You keep talking about streamers without actually figuring out that many of these are actually owned by the very companies your trying to kill off. Sky's parent company (Comcast) already has Now TV , Peacock , NBC Sports streaming service. Sky already have many other Sporting rights quite a lot of key ones something DAZN does not in the UK.
This has been lost on Old Boy since the start. It's easier for Sky, as the incumbent rights holder, to move into streaming when there is market demand for them to do so than someone else out of the blue to outbid them and then develop an offering.

Now TV do a football season pass for about £200 give or take. I find it hard to imagine anyone else can raise £5bn at that price point. You can reverse engineer the figure as you please.

A further thought on the Premier League themselves selling direct to customers they might decide against in the event that we end up with more dead rubber closed door games in future seasons. A huge risk to take on retailing that directly.

Raider999 10-08-2020 19:29
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36046211)
You are beyond parody, Old Boy. There used to be a vague semblance of something interesting in these posts, merely as a thought experiment more than anything else.

I'll continue to await the calculation on how a streamer raises and turns a profit on £5bn for Premiership football rights. I'm sure you'll tell me these people are geniuses, of course, but it was Sky who correctly predicted that none of them would enter the market for the first round of bids in 2019-22 and that the rights would go down in value.

What changes in 2022-25, other than the recession? If BT are right that the value of rights falls what makes Sky with it's customer base in place from day 1 less well placed than a streamer?
It is difficult to fault your logic. The fly in the ointment may be EPL selling rights directly to customers.

Many years ago, the thought was that you would be able to buy a season ticket to watch your favourite clubs matches (home and away).

This never got off the ground - I suspect because they didn't have the tech to do it.

Now the streamers have shown you can stream games live all you need is a method of getting payment. advertising the new service would be cheap as they can do it mid game throughout the season - preparing people for the next season.

This would blow the streamers out of the water as the content wouldn't be available.

jfman 10-08-2020 19:37
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36046215)
It is difficult to fault your logic. The fly in the ointment may be EPL selling rights directly to customers.

Many years ago, the thought was that you would be able to buy a season ticket to watch your favourite clubs matches (home and away).

This never got off the ground - I suspect because they didn't have the tech to do it.

Now the streamers have shown you can stream games live all you need is a method of getting payment. advertising the new service would be cheap as they can do it mid game throughout the season - preparing people for the next season.

This would blow the streamers out of the water as the content wouldn't be available.
I'd say it's more likely that the league would resort to retailing directly than someone comes from nowhere to take on the risk.

Season tickets for clubs would be interesting - and a genuinely new offering so has the potential to attract more customers - although the 3pm blackout (which I profoundly disagree with) remains the problem, but with so few Premiership games actually taking place then would it really be an issue to move the 'main' kick off time to 1pm or a Sunday?

The way to league could test demand would be to offer the rest of the games over and above the main contract TV games on their own service for a 3 year period before seeking to take full control themselves.

The issue for the League is that while such an offering has potential - the contracts with existing TV companies are no risk money in their hands.

OLD BOY 10-08-2020 19:50
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36046211)
You are beyond parody, Old Boy. There used to be a vague semblance of somd into ething interesting in these posts, merely as a thought experiment more than anything else.

I'll continue to await the calculation on how a streamer raises and turns a profit on £5bn for Premiership football rights. I'm sure you'll tell me these people are geniuses, of course, but it was Sky who correctly predicted that none of them would enter the market for the first round of bids in 2019-22 and that the rights would go down in value.

What changes in 2022-25, other than the recession? If BT are right that the value of rights falls what makes Sky with it's customer base in place from day 1 less well placed than a streamer?
I could explain the reasoning, jfman, but the problem is that you are not listening. So why bother going to any lengths to explain to someone who appears to be brainwashed into believing that any alternative opinion to yours must be vanquished at all costs?

SVOD and streaming IS the future, no matter what you believe and no matter what you say. Most people, I am pretty sure, agree with that.

jfman 10-08-2020 20:08
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36046223)
I could explain the reasoning, jfman, but the problem is that you are not listening. So why bother going to any lengths to explain to someone who appears to be brainwashed into believing that any alternative opinion to yours must be vanquished at all costs?

SVOD and streaming IS the future, no matter what you believe and no matter what you say. Most people, I am pretty sure, agree with that.
Straw man alert.

It’s you that says linear will cease to exist - I’ve never claimed that streaming won’t be (or isn’t) popular in its own right.

No calculations that don’t involve a billionaire philanthropist then?

Raider999 11-08-2020 14:04
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36046223)
I could explain the reasoning, jfman, but the problem is that you are not listening. So why bother going to any lengths to explain to someone who appears to be brainwashed into believing that any alternative opinion to yours must be vanquished at all costs?

SVOD and streaming IS the future, no matter what you believe and no matter what you say. Most people, I am pretty sure, agree with that.
OB, not sure why you are posting the streaming mantra in this thread - especially as by your own admission you do not like sports.

We read enough of this in other threads!

OLD BOY 11-08-2020 15:12
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36046307)
OB, not sure why you are posting the streaming mantra in this thread - especially as by your own admission you do not like sports.

We read enough of this in other threads!
See my post #9833. I posted a news item on what the BT's Head of Sports said about sports rights. It was those who find the future I have described elsewhere difficult to contemplate that have been shouting the odds about streaming, raising the same old issues yet again.

Hugh 11-08-2020 16:03
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36046223)
I could explain the reasoning, jfman, but the problem is that you are not listening. So why bother going to any lengths to explain to someone who appears to be brainwashed into believing that any alternative opinion to yours must be vanquished at all costs?

SVOD and streaming IS the future, no matter what you believe and no matter what you say. Most people, I am pretty sure, agree with that.
Do you also have a girlfriend in Canada, who no one's ever seen, but she's real, honestly?

OLD BOY 11-08-2020 16:09
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Do you also have a girlfriend in Canada, who no one's ever seen, but she's real, honestly?
No - in Thailand, actually :erm:

Mad Max 11-08-2020 16:18
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Do you also have a girlfriend in Canada, who no one's ever seen, but she's real, honestly?
Shouldn't that post be in the Current Affairs forum.....:D

jfman 11-08-2020 17:25
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36046323)
See my post #9833. I posted a news item on what the BT's Head of Sports said about sports rights. It was those who find the future I have described elsewhere difficult to contemplate that have been shouting the odds about streaming, raising the same old issues yet again.
Except he only stipulated that the Premiership could sell a service direct to consumers. At no point did he say that it would happen, or that it wouldn't be platform neutral. I'm sure even you'd accept that linear broadcasting is cheap compared to the £1.5bn a year they'd be looking to get from people who are primarily Sky subscribers.

You are at the front of the queue to say how much easier it is to have everything on one box. Why would someone exclude a Sky Q box? If they were going to make the service available from 2022 why would they not make it available in Ultra HD to everyone?


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