Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Agree... but I would go further just ignore them Don't respond or reply to such obvious provocation. There have been several attempts at this sort of thing over at the BadPhorm forum.

It is a different matter when a pro phorm poster puts forward a serious argument (ie: Backbeak(??? - the guy from Finland - I can't find the posts because they are now lost in a sea of dross) Yesterday he started out pro phorm but was converted to an anti phorm position when presented with the facts)

Ignore trolls it is the only way.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Done. Cheers.

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Decide then ignore, but my sentiments entirely.

(Blackbeak) They were a good exchange of posts and its a pity we lost them in the Dross.

Seems we are very popular with the Finland posters though! Coincidence???

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've just listened to the GRC Security Now! podcast, what a solid and informed item stating that Phorm is by far the worst of all these advertising leeches, the transcript of the episode also contains some wonderful quotes that could be used in the fight against Phorm if the guys over at GRC would let us.

I'm looking forward to #151 when they're going into more detail on the issue.

Well worth a listen, or have a look at the transcript.

:clap: The guys @ GRC

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

But what if a senior person at Phorm was today, hypothetically, speaking to a senior representative from the EEC that was visiting and that person happened to be advocating that the anti-phorm crowd are a bunch of nutters and didn't know what they were talking about.

Imagine "Here, lets browse to the forum now that was referenced in the email you received and lets see what's going on".
Snapshot- This afternoon.

This is my point.

But
I totally agree with the great idea about the lookup index but I honestly don't see it happening. I think once and every couple of days we should post some sort of reference material that is added to over time so that a new reader to the forum can, in a nutshell, grasp what our main points are. These should include links to the better sites like your own and all obvious others.

Edit - I think the post I was responding to must have been deleted but the gist still applies to what I previously said.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It’s unfortunate that we only have one thread. We really need a Behavioural Targeting sub-forum, then the more tangential posts can be moved out to separate threads. I know there’s a Webwise Apathy thread, but no-one can be bothered to post on it.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Maybe later today I could look through the thread and pick out pagers of important info and make a post linking to thje best so some can get a quick update without all the stuff that was done today.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I take your point but you shouldn't worry so much about a handful of unruly disjointed posts. If someone is interested in the debate they will pick up the jist of the thread by closer scrutiny. Anyone that can't discriminate the chaff from the wheat in an important subject discussion shouldn't really be in a position to make an informed judgement about the subjects context.



I think the anti-phorm debate will take on some structure over the next few months and certainly over the years. People in Britain are just starting to wake up to this important privacy question -- they will want answers. Forums like these are the catalyst for greater public awareness so don't be disheartened when an idiot spoiler like HamsterWheel comes along to shanghai the event.


p.s. The Administrator saw fit to delete my post and issue me with warnings, nice. Looks like WobblyWheel will have to PM me if he wants to know what I wrote about him ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I didn't see much wrong with it to be quite honest but I was quickly scan reading it and picking out the relevant arguments. (And I have just finished a bottle of wine :) )

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't forget that this thread sits somewhere in the middle, between the BT thread and BadPhorm, and they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

Badphorm is open to anyone and is categorised. Having many threads mean you often have to hunt for current information, but if you want to find information about a specific issue, it's easier.

BT forum is one thread, but not everybody can post there.

The strength of this thread is that it is easy to find the latest information and anyone can post here. It's a melting-pot of ideas and news.

It's strengths are also it's weaknesses. It's hard to find things posted in the past and anyone can post here.

If all can post here and it is likely to be looked at by many people very soon, that makes it a target for the spoilers (paid for or otherwise).

Just ignore them.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:clap: Well said

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Maybe posters like HamsterWheel can be pointed to BadPhorm where it's easier to get up to speed. This will prevent this thread being "polluted". Abusive posters are also limited to individual threads.

HamsterWheel is perma banned from BadPhorm for conduct that was totally abusive and disgraceful.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm quoting myself here, from a few weeks back.

Given that the implementation of phorm is likely to have changed considerably since Dr Clayton's paper, we really do need to get people inside the trial so the tech talent can analyse. Otherwise we will be blundering in the dark.

Could we get a checklist together and splash it round the web?

How to increase your chances of being included in the trial and what to do if you are.

I don't know enough to do this or what the tech bods might want. Please contribute as it could be important.

EDIT : I found this of mine, also from the past.


Please refine, i'm not a network bod.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Good advice all round..

Let's focus on the discussion element of Phorm and not one or two particular posters trying to spoil it for others. If they have a good argument to give - lets hear it but, insults and personal remarks should be left in the playground.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

NO need to be sorry Vicz, a groundhog day at the speed this thread grows is a good thing now and then.

its that groundhog day type stuff , that stops the below the radar Experion CRA's using DPI, and collecting and collateing more data for your credit file, and the Orange wireless mobile datastreams being DPI'ed being forgotten, not to mention those other DPI firms in that security update that we dont cover here as yet....they almost all come from the old renamed spyware/adware companies, keep them in your sights and update the thread when you find the linked information etc.

there are masses of new people reading the thread and getting inPhormed every day, if you remember something of merit from way back, and on re-reading it you can add the latest known information to it, then thats a good thing.

all you anonymous guests, feel free to sign up and post your thoughts as you start your page one reading, we need you, you make every one of us Stronger when you act.

dont just wait for a Pro-Phorm person (although the Eliza/Bob Bot a few weeks ago was entertaining ;) )to post and force you into action.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If phorm has changed a lot then surely it will need to be reinvestigated since due to the type of inviasion on privacy, the actual chance of something personal getting out into the WWW is easier once phorm is implemented.

One thing to remember if you do decide to change ISP due to Phorm is to be sure they ISP you choose is not going to implement phorm in the future and isn't on BT manages 21cn.

Entanet ISPs will not be phormed since Entanet are not happy to risk customers privacy or trust for a few gold coins. Zen is another since a leaked document showed that Phorm could be implemented on the managed 21cn they have changed plans and are looking at other ways they might even do more LLU they already have a few exchanges LLU'ed but in Rochdale. Manchester.