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Now there's an example of where you pay either way.

Further education could (some say should?) be state funded. You're saving, and if your kids go to Uni they'll come out 60 grand down.

For someone else it might be rail fares. Or personal care for the elderly (although we all like being socialist in death - nobody wants to sell their home to fund that!).

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Some pay extortionate amounts for rail fares but they have no choice as its the only way they can get to work but it takes a fair chunk out of their monthly salary.

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Have to disagree - I have no issue our house being sold to pay for care; why should others pay if we have assets?

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OK, don’t...

I don’t think others "avoid" assets to have their care paid for - they often don’t have the assets, or had the opportunity to get those assets in the first place.

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Someone has to pay somewhere. I think we're going to have to have an additional tax or 'social care pension' to pay for our old age care. Remember it's only going to get worse as people live longer.

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But politician's for many years have kicked the can down the road and when the Conservatives planned a new social care policy which was so labelled the dementia tax it was extremely unpopular.

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Spending fundamentally employs people.

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Sounds like BoJo with his money tree. Another £300m to butter up the devolved nations, £1bn more to be spent on consultants for Brexit no-deal preparations.

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Well, since 65% of employees earn less than the U.K. average wage (just under £30k), probably not that many...

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The money tree is Labour's illusion. Conservatives don't spend money they don't have or that cannot be sourced from somewhere.

Having said that, it seems that Labour do have a plan this time. They will just print as much money as they need! Now, why has no-one else thought of that wheeze?

Oh, yes, they have. It was Venezuala, wasn't it? :p:

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But again where is the money Boris Johnson needs coming to come from? He is talking about funding social care without using people's assets, that alone will be a massive yearly cost running billions and billions. More Police. More spending on education and this Manchester-Leeds trainline.

All good ideas but it's a huge amount of money.

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Your first statement is an out and out lie. Thatcher ran a budget deficit for a decade. Major for almost his entire Government and every single year since the Coalition took power.

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And no one who had a mortgage during the major government will ever forget how fiscally responsible they were, they were unelectable for a generation thanks to that but why let that stop anyone comparing us to a dirt poor south american armpit

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