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Hugh 19-08-2018 21:15
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In UK, we have 'parliamentary sovereignty'.

This means that no Parliament can bind future Parliaments. DC may have said that Parliament would be bound by the referendum result, but post General Election 2017, we have a new Parliament.



https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/

jonbxx 19-08-2018 21:24
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Reunification wasn’t a one off cost, Germany is still paying for it now and there are still huge differences between east and west in terms of infrastructure (no source except my boss who was originally from Dresden but now lives in south west Germany)

On the representation thing, of we had no one to represent our interests in the committee, how can we influence decisions?

Sephiroth 19-08-2018 21:27
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I provided you with relative devaluation stats, which is what influences the currency basket leading to the Euro. Reunification costs have little bearing on that.

Chloé Palmas 19-08-2018 21:54
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35953784)
May is at the ‘22 committee so we’ll see what happens when she gets out
See, if I had said something like this, lol....;)

Pierre 19-08-2018 23:14
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35960470)
How can you know what you voted for ?
FFS stop trotting this bollocks out.

It was stipulated in a leaflet posted to every house in the nation that leaving the EU meant leaving the Single Market and the customs union.

If you didn't read it and/ or understand.........tough.

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We don't know if they'll be any deal or what will be in any deal.
No we don't, because a deal hasn't been done yet? How can you know what is in a deal if it hasn't been done?

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That's why a vote on any deal is needed
OK then add this
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If we reject the deal then Govt have to renegotiate or we leave with no deal.
Just so I understand.

The worst thing, according to you, is to leave with no deal.

So the democratically elected government, post referendum, that we entrust to lead to country come back with a deal.

Parliament, to whom we haven't given the mandate to negotiate Brexit say, no, crap deal go back........Which is the power you are asking for.

The government go back to the EU and say actually we need to change parts of our agreement, and the EU say FU, take it or leave it, we've been negotiating with you, not your parliament.

Then by your rules, we crash out with no deal.

So explain to me, very simply, how that helps or improves things? I'm really interested in your response.

Chloé Palmas 19-08-2018 23:23
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35953367)
Nice to see things coming together now.
You think that things are coming together now?

That is breathtaking / truly remarkable.

djfunkdup 20-08-2018 03:38
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Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas (Post 35960589)
You think that things are coming together now?

That is breathtaking / truly remarkable.

Get your head round it because i agree with him 100%.Things are moving along at a nice rate of knots,Onwards and Upwards :)

Mr K 20-08-2018 07:38
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Originally Posted by djfunkdup (Post 35960601)
Get your head round it because i agree with him 100%.Things are moving along at a nice rate of knots,Onwards and Upwards :)
Must be some sort of 'alternate reality' thing ! :D :rolleyes:

Sephiroth 20-08-2018 08:06
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35960603)
Must be some sort of 'alternate reality' thing ! :D :rolleyes:
Jeez it’s annoying to agree with you!

heero_yuy 20-08-2018 11:37
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Quote from Politico:


For Britain’s pro-European middle classes, Brexit is akin to a psychological trauma which has left many unable to behave rationally, according to two leading experts. Far from being hyper-rational observers concerned only with what is economically sensible, many have morphed into the “Remainiacs” of Brexiteer disdain.

They are acting no differently to what psychologists would expect from those suffering from chronic anxiety caused by loss of control and insecurity, Dr. Philip Corr, professor of psychology and behavioral economics at the University of London, and Dr. Simon Stuart, a clinical psychologist, told POLITICO.

In such circumstances, Corr and Stuart said, patients can become prone to anger, despair and rumination, while slipping into polarized “in” and “out” groups, seeking solace in the demonization of the “other,” whom they blame for the current state of affairs.
Sounds familar? Well, there you go. :D

ianch99 20-08-2018 13:03
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Sounds familar? Well, there you go. :D
Now, now, no deliberate wind ups :nono:

Anyway, if you believe that pile of clickbait garbage, you'll believe anything ..

djfunkdup 20-08-2018 17:55
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Sounds familar? Well, there you go. :D
LOL Spot on :D

1andrew1 20-08-2018 18:11
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35960586)
FFS stop trotting this bollocks out.

It was stipulated in a leaflet posted to every house in the nation that leaving the EU meant leaving the Single Market and the customs union.

If you didn't read it and/ or understand.........tough.
Things would have been better if the leaflet (and leave campaigns) said what you think the leaflet said. They're not and it didn't.

Chris 20-08-2018 18:17
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35960568)
In UK, we have 'parliamentary sovereignty'.

This means that no Parliament can bind future Parliaments. DC may have said that Parliament would be bound by the referendum result, but post General Election 2017, we have a new Parliament.



https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/
In the U.K. we also have a very strong sense of precedent, and also of Parliament’s moral obligation to do the will of the people. Even simply passing legislation that wasn’t in a manifesto is controversial, despite Parliament’s constitutional right to do so.

There is limited precedent for referendums in Britain but those that have been held, have been respected, and not overturned without having first been implemented.

Hugh 20-08-2018 20:58
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35960641)
In the U.K. we also have a very strong sense of precedent, and also of Parliament’s moral obligation to do the will of the people. Even simply passing legislation that wasn’t in a manifesto is controversial, despite Parliament’s constitutional right to do so.

There is limited precedent for referendums in Britain but those that have been held, have been respected, and not overturned without having first been implemented.
Even the non-binding ones?

And considering we’ve only had 3 nationwide referendums in the U.K., not really a lot of precedent...


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