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Yeah I think there can be common goals which come about organically. It makes sense why people would want to support globalisation because the more markets you can sell too, the more money you make. Remember many Brexiters support it because they want to turn us into a Singapore, a hyper-open market, and others support it to do the opposite. So it's not as simple. Either way many of the global elite supported Brexit.

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What about globalists that supported Brexit like Johnson.

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Is Jonson a globalist? Does he support world government, and the eradication of the Sovereign Nation? I really don't know.

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Globalisation can refer to a broad spectrum of views. From advocating for free trade to people who want global insinuations managing more things. Johnson is a clear free trade advocate and isn't opposed to migration. By UK standards he is a supporter of globalisation.

Incidentally anti-globalisation used to be very much be a hard-left position. One of the weirder things about politics now is seeing this language coming from the right, traditionally the biggest advocates for liberal trade policies. People have switched positions almost, although the fringes of the left still are anti-globalisation.

That said I think it's because of a realignment where globalisation vs nationalists seems to the bigger divide.

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I don't understand your question
How do I distinguish between what? :confused:

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I completely agree. I can't see any way that they can be overcome. :(

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Nothing wrong with free trade between Sovereign institutions. Providing migration rules are subject to the Nations Parliament only, there is nothing wrong with that. Brexit advocated controlled migration, not zero migration.


As part of that control, industry needs to stat training more British people instead of relying on immigration.

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I know. It's doing my head in :D To be fair, I think that the right (myself included) still believe in liberal trade policies. We also believe in sovereign nations implementing them.
Strange days that we live in......

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I think much of the anti globalism is because rather then elevate those nations at the bottom higher the aim seems to be to lower the top countries down and it's costing many nations more then they are willing to pay. As to how brexit and trump happened simply it was arrogance an assumption that a majority would just take the usual path and follow the laid out script as we have for the last couple of decades. I do believe there is a far ranging group pulling strings behind the scenes but it isn't the bilderberg group although they are a good diversion because of how they operate.

People are fed up and frustrated feeling that their countries no longer work for them and represent them whilst being constantly told to embrace change and accept immigration on any scale as progress.

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Indeed, the last thing I needed on a pleasant Sunday was a lecture from a pensioner but I gave him a chance and if anyone was condescending it's him, had to stop watching it due to his overuse of that word and he was quite tetchy to, it's almost as if some youngster had asked him if he'd still be alive by the time we leave as he was pressing record.

Wonder if that's the reason corbyn is always under attack to? :angel:

Very and they've barely started yet to :Yikes:

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QFT

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Also interesting looking back at the 1975 referendum and those parties which favoured being in favour of a no vote:

• SNP
• Plaid Cymru
• Ulster Unionist Party
• National Front
• Communist Party of Great Britain

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I think the global superstate fears are fantasy. What is a real and present danger is the corporate globalism.

The power and reach of the global multinationals is now beyond the point where we can, as individual nations, control. Ironically it is institutions like the EU that have sufficient market mass that can hope to stand up against these entities.

Although, saying that, the EU has failed to grasp this nettle completely: the tax regime in Luxembourg being an example.

The naivety of embracing a global free trade policy in the hope that "market will deliver" is already self-evident and has been for a while now. We need, as a nation now we are out of the EU, to pass laws that enforce global companies to commit to the country they raise revenue from. This means clear and fair tax from revenues and more importantly, obligation to employ nationals from the country they operate in.

These changes would ensure that global multinationals whose agenda is just profit and have no allegiance or affinity to the country they operate in, cannot exploit countries with impunity.

If you just invite multinationals into your bed with offers of sweet tax deals and impose no regulation, you are dancing with the devil ..

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Not at all. They are the ultimate goal. I agree.

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£26 litre i don't call that cheapo :)

once the missile tubes have been polished and the guns oiled she's ready for brexit

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Agreed. And global multinationals are no doubt opposed to blocs like the EU as they alone have sufficient scale to challenge them; national governments being too small.

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Why would this benefit multinational companies? They benefit by playing states off one another for tax deals, lighter regulations and government grants. A global government would end this.

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A global government controlled by the multi nationals is the ultimate goal and agenda that way instead of playing nations off against each other they play the government off against the people. The idea of the EU being even a slight annoyance to that is laughable given top officials either come from multi nationals or retire from the political scene taking up nice jobs with them. People using their votes in national elections is the way to slow it as that's all that can be done at this point and if you doubt it slows anything just look at what's happened with the brexit and trump votes and tell me there isn't an orchaestrated movement behind things. Totally different scenarios with a 3,000 mile gap and the rhetoric against those who voted for brexit and trump is damn near word for word.

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The shares of all the multinationals have shot up since Trump was elected so that theory's out the door. He's a globalist but to appeal to the electorate he needs to present it as the US getting the best deal.
Brexit voters seem to get offended when any analysis is conducted on who voted for Brexit and who voted against Brexit. That isn't rhetoric against voters, it's analysis.