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Ramrod

07-12-2015 13:12

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35811817)

The Treaty of Lisbon introduced Article 50, which allows withdrawal from the EU.

I stand corrected. Excellent :tu:

The rest of my rant still holds though.....:(

Osem	07-12-2015 13:20

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35811816)

That's not correct. They are not blinkered or deluded, they are working through a plan. They refuse to listen because they don't have to and don't want to. They are unelected and therefore unaccountable. The EU nations can't leave the EU if they don't like it as there is no mechanism for leaving and the EU leaders are therefore free to push through their agenda of national homogenisation regardless of any populist opposition to their aims and methods. :shrug:

Well there is that take on them too... :erm:

(The two are not mutually exclusive either ;) )

nomadking

07-12-2015 13:27

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35811817)

The Treaty of Lisbon introduced Article 50, which allows withdrawal from the EU.

Which article 50? The old one which was repealed(ie scrapped), the Lisbon one which is the old article 53 or the latest one which was article 49 originally and became 49A in Lisbon?

Quote:

(z) Articles 50 and 51 shall be repealed and the remaining Articles shall be renumbered accordingly

Found the answer.

Quote:

58) The following new Article 49 A shall be inserted:
‘Article 49 A
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own
constitutional requirements.

TheDaddy

07-12-2015 16:26

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35811823)

I stand corrected. Excellent :tu:

The rest of my rant still holds though.....:(

You wouldn't believe the process or how long it takes to get out, it's almost like it's been designed to make leaving as hard as possible

Ramrod

07-12-2015 20:29

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35811848)

You wouldn't believe the process or how long it takes to get out, it's almost like it's been designed to make leaving as hard as possible

Strange, isn't it? :rolleyes::(

Osem	14-12-2015 14:14

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The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, has described the migrant crisis as "an historic test" for Europe.

Defending her policy on migrants at the annual conference of her CDU party, Mrs Merkel said that Germany was standing by its humanitarian duties.

But she said the flow of migrants would be reduced - a step that some members of the party have been calling for.

The German government says it expects more than a million refugees to have come to Germany by the end of 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35091960

Having let in a million refugees (and there'll be more to follow via families etc. I'm sure) maybe she's extra keen on free movement because she'll be hoping a good number of them can be moved on elsewhere in the EU (to countries which didn't 'welcome' them in the first place).

Taf	14-12-2015 16:07

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Bring them in, give them asylum, hand out the German ID cards... and off they go anywhere they like in the EU.

Camoron is pushing to stop "in work" Benefits for migrants for 4 years, what about the "out of work" Benefits many will demand when they arrive?

Not that Camoron is liable to get any change allowed in Benefits anyway......

Osem	14-12-2015 17:33

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Can't see how that can be prevented but perhaps someone will pop by shortly and explain where we've got it all wrong...

Osem	15-12-2015 18:17

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Controversial plans for an EU Border and Coast Guard force have been set out as part of an EU drive to curb the record influx of migrants.

The European Commission is proposing a force with a stronger mandate than the EU's current Frontex border teams.

But some governments see the powers as violating national sovereignty.

The commission is also proposing to resettle Syrian refugees directly from camps in Turkey to try to stop people taking the dangerous voyage by sea.

The new proposals follow the reintroduction of border controls by some countries within the EU's internal borderless Schengen area - including Germany, Austria and Hungary - to control the flow of migrants.

They also follow revelations that two of the Paris attackers entered the EU on the migrant route through Greece.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35093827

Has Merkel told the migrants they're not so welcome now then?

Taf	15-12-2015 18:24

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35812974)

[url]Has Merkel told the migrants they're not so welcome now then?

They've got more than enough to replace the Gast Werker Turks they've been lumbered with for years....

Hugh	15-12-2015 18:51

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Gastarbeiters, not Gast Werker.

Osem	15-12-2015 19:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35812985)

Gastarbeiters, not Gast Werker.

Neither sounds very complimentary to be honest. ;)

Taf	15-12-2015 19:43

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35812990)

Neither sounds very complimentary to be honest. ;)

"Guest Worker", able work in Germany for one or two years before returning home. Many did not though, and large numbers held out for payments to them, their spouses and each child that sent them home with a small fortune compared with wages where they originated.

But equally large numbers decided to stay, and their children born in Germany are now given citizenship if their parents had been good and paid taxes.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35812985)

Gastarbeiters, not Gast Werker.

Both terms are used, especially on the German-Dutch border areas.

Osem	17-12-2015 08:14

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A meeting in a Dutch town to discuss whether to build a new centre for migrants had to be abandoned when some opponents rioted.

Protesters in Geldermalsen tore down fences and threw fireworks at police who responded with warning shots.

European countries are facing record numbers of refugees and other migrants entering Greece illegally from Turkey.

Dutch State Secretary for Security and Justice Klaas Dijkhoff said the protesters had crossed a line.

"Finding shelter for asylum seekers poses difficult questions but there is a limit when it comes to expressing your opinion," he said on Dutch TV.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35118496

That doesn't sound very welcoming does it. I wonder why? :confused: Never mind, the great and the good know what's best for the rest of us don't they... :rolleyes:

Maybe some of those who're tell telling us we need to be more welcoming to increasing numbers of migrants and refugees from all around the globe ought to show us how that's done and make a bit of effort themselves. They could try leading by example for a change instead of telling the rest of us to just keep sucking it all up with a smile on our faces.

heero_yuy

17-12-2015 08:44

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35813172)

The tighter they screw down the top on the pressure cooker the bigger the final explosion will be. :(

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