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Heaven forbid.

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He’s perfidious 😉

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Well my sister messages me yesterday to say that her hubby got a call to say his isolation has ended.


So I have now arranged to go to Walton-on-the-Naze on Monday with her kids.

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Probably because so many died before. The country is being thinned down to the strongest and fittest.

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Spanish Flu affected the strongest and the fittest. There is always the possibility of a Covid variant popping up, that acts in the same manner.
Link

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So they don't know how many are unvaccinated just that it is at least 2. Good reporting as usual by BBC.

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That's just one hospital.
At least 2 were unvaccinated AND in their 30s. Plus "average ages are lower than during the first two waves". If the more seriously ill are the ones in intensive care, that makes it 2 out of 5 being under 30.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

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Vaccination rates are slowing significantly though. The vulnerable over 50s were enthusiastic, the young less so.

Some of my wife's colleagues who refused the vaccine gone down with it. Will they have learnt their lesson that any side effects from a vaccine, pale into insignificance to the risks of covid? Maybe, but they are a bit thick...

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That’s what the government will be hoping, but there is no sign yet that it is dropping, contrary to what appeared to be the case as reported by a certain newspaper about a week ago.

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If, as is being reported by some media & experts, you can catch it twice (or more) how can we reach herd immunity?

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You will always get some cases of double infection.

I had German measles twice, something that would never normally happen.

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Some people catch it twice, but you can still reach herd immunity providing that most people don't.

Also it appears that many who have caught it twice had two different variants. Just as vaccines created for the original variant are less effective against Delta etc, presumably so is natural immunity.

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Vaccination doesn't equal immunity, does it?

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until it mutates again . . because it's always out there ;)

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You could say the same about flu.

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Taking of which, and apologies for those who are less comfortable with uncertainty.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57837192

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Man flu is awful, I've sometimes had to lay all day on the sofa, TV remote in one hand and large glass of Brandy in the other.

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‘Man flu’ is a heavy cold and a brilliant excuse for a few days off!

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Interesting Tweet from epidemiologist and mathematician Adam Kucharski at the London School of Tropical Medicine:

https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski

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Man flu is the worst you can get, it's often fatal unless you get complete peace and rest, you've clearly never had it or you'd already know this, women can't catch it you are correct and that's why they're often required to care for the man, fetching things from the kitchen, plumping pillows regularly and not nagging, that type of thing. Work of any kind is obviously a no no and if you have to phone in yourself I advise arching your back when making the call and saying hello in a very weak tone

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And if you get long man flu heaven help you.

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I’m currently in the Lake District and I can confidently say……….no one cares anymore.

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North Yorks coast was almost the same a few weeks ago . . otherwise my suntan 'shadow' would have been much worse :D

Enjoy the break Pierre :tu:

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R0 of the original WuFlu (which never really impacted the UK) was between 2.4 and 2.6.
R0 of the Italian skiing variant was 3.
R0 of Delta is between 5 and 8.

Welcome to evolution!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57431420

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Utter tosh!

Cognac, obvs… :D

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I thought you’d moved to Anti-Wokeingham… ;)

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Generally viruses are like watching evolution in action anyway

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Per spiderplant's post below, like many things, it's looking less and less like Project Fear.

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Someone's math is wrong somewhere (not your's Seph)

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...328-3/fulltext

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Proof if ever needed state intervention is the only viable method of managing the dubious living with the virus.

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I’m just trying to work out which dystopian future jfman would like to live in. Is it this one?

https://youtu.be/raleKODYeg0

Or this one

https://youtu.be/eHgqfVQWv7s

Or maybe just wait for the apes to take over ………

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To late, there's already one in charge

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Last Friday there were 21 in patients with Covid at Pinderfields Hospital in Wakefield. Today there are 45.

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Always more of a Blade Runner fan.

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Is that set in a cupboard under someone's stairs;)

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Just had an automated message from my gp surgery, basically if you're ill don't come in, the nhs isn't broke it's closed :(

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You need to advertise for a ships doctor Papa

Free board & lodging, goes 50/50 with food & drink, must be able to use oars in case of emergency ;)

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Papa can wear what he likes, it's his boat :D

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57869880

Sigh! Frankly I think confusion is all we can look forward to for months. It would be nice if everyone was singing from the same song sheet.I am going nowhere for some time.

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Better still that people didn't go around spreading the virus, with the media encouraging them.
How many more times does it need pointing out, that if people behaved responsibly then the likelihood is that all variants of covid would've largely died out by now.

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Here we go again


Beta variant in France major threat to UK with 'mounting evidence it EVADES vaccine'


Dust down the cupboard under the stairs


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...n-edmunds-sage

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It's not really confusion, it's the unknown. In a perfect world you are correct, problem is, we don't live in a perfect world, so it's not as simple. I wouldn't say it's confusing though.

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Has to be lies - no known variants evade vaccines allegedly. Beta (South Africa) has been around for yonks.

It’s Edmunds though. Is there a video so we can see him looking shifty?

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BREAKING: Health Secretary, Sajid Javid has tested positive for Covid-19.

https://news.sky.com/story/health-se...ptoms-12357736

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Seems counter intuitive to promote the vaccine at the same time.

Here I am with symptomatic covid after two vaccinations. It didn’t protect me, and won’t stop me transmitting it to loved ones. But please get it.

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No-one has ever said the vaccines stop you from getting it as you well know.

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I’m sure I recall (and I’m sure you can too) figures getting banded around at 90% efficacy and higher against infection. Saj is either really unlucky or the figures aren’t holding up against delta. With Vallance releasing a paper giving a scenario of 20 million infections in the coming months I wonder which it is...

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From that article Possibility?

Shouldn’t he be self-isolating now? My (just under) 2 year old grand-son had to self-isolate for the last 10 days because one of his nursery teachers tested positive.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ith-the-person

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Johnson will get the “pilot” of daily testing and as long as you test negative you can go about your day, just like Kate at Wimbledon.

On a technicality until Saj is PCR confirmed they wont contact trace. Would be hilarious if Johnson caught it, having had Covid and presumably fully vaccinated.

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I’m sure everyone on here is by now fully aware of your fondness for wilfully conflating data collected during earlier waves caused by original and Kent variant covid, with later waves and Indian covid. Against original/Kent there’s good data that the present vaccine stops it in its tracks. Against India the evidence is that it stops hospitalisation and death at the same sort of rate but does not necessarily prevent infection or transmission.

No matter how hard you try to insinuate, this isn’t evidence of a deep state conspiracy. It’s simply evolution in action, and we can be thankful that while modified vaccines are prepared, the present ones still perform adequately well.

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I’m not conflating anything. It’s a fact.

Adequate is quite a step down from overwhelming success but at least it shows you aren’t totally indoctrinated.

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Vaccines never ever stop you from getting infected. The main issues are whether that person gets to the transmissible stage and whether they suffer any symptoms. All depends on how able and ready the person's immune system is, to respond to the reinfection.
Prior to, and after my two jabs, I tried to make extra sure my immune system was going to be in fairly good shape in order to gain as much future protection as possible. If people's immune system isn't in too good a shape when they get any jab, then the immune system is less likely to develop the desired protection.

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Vaccines when announced all trumpeted efficacy against infection. Don’t get me wrong AstraZeneca offered about six different figures between 70 and 95, but they were all against infection.

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They should take France off the amber list then.

Its like, "this is the rule .... except when it isnt" :rolleyes:

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They’re putting France on the list before they put us on the list. It allows them to continue the charade of success.

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Sajid Javid now has the virus and has had two jabs according to the BBC evening news.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...k-57874744.amp

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We're all doomed I'll tell ya, all doomed....:o:

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Getting Covid is a rights of passage to being in Boris's Cabinet of Millionaires. Ignore the rules as they only apply to the plebs, if only someone had told the virus...

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Actually, given that we are still less than 2 years into a global pandemic caused by a novel virus, the fact that we have a vaccine manifestly capable of reducing the vast majority of cases to something no more serious than a bad cold *is* an overwhelming success. The hard correlation between infections and hospitalisation and death has been broken, even in cases of the Indian/Delta variant that is around twice as infectious as the original Wuhan strain from which the vaccine was developed. In the face of this, to regard the global vaccination effort as anything less than overwhelmingly successful is perverse.

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You should get a job with Public Health England the way you conflate the global vaccination effort with ours as if they are one and the same, and having the same outcomes.

I’d hold the bus on the “mission accomplished” banner for the royal yacht just yet while tens of thousands more die and hundreds of thousands get hospitalised later this year.

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Actually I was thinking in terms of the development and manufacture of the vaccine moreso than the getting of it into arms. The UK’s leading role here continues to be impressive and will in the long run pay dividends all over the world, as the Oxford-Astra vaccine is, as predicted here by several of us, becoming the workhorse of the world. I fully understand that your irrational hatred of the British State makes these facts terribly hard for you to swallow.

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Haha. The workhorse of the world - such to the extent our Chief Scientific Adviser is modelling 20 million infections?

As I’ve always said the proof will be in the pudding. It’s not even clear this will get us out of the pandemic, however some of you would stamp a Union Flag on a placebo and cheer it on, such is the extent of being blinded by British nationalism.

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Coming from the guy championing Scottish Nationalism, most of the time. :rolleyes:

Also, watch your tone. :nono:

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Our Chief Scientific Adviser could model next years lingerie accessories for petite women for all I care . . . he may have to fiddle his figure to make them fit though :D

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I don’t champion Scottish nationalism, I just don’t buy into the British colonial trope that nobody could possibly, ever, anywhere survive and be successful without England.

The Irish Republic now has twice the GDP per capita of the UK.

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So one rule for them one for us.

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Seems like a bit of a contradiction of their own messaging.

They said just the other week that the requirement to self-isolate will not end until August even whilst businesses are worried about everyone getting pinged by the app and having no staff.

Of course when they face such inconvenience themselves then that's a different matter.

The amount of contempt politicians have for people is always amazing.

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Not difficult to achieve when you use aggressive tax policy to attract the world’s biggest companies to place their offices in your territory. It’s amazing how many Apple products are ‘sold’ by the Irish. Oddly enough their standard of living and likelihood of going bankrupt in a financial crash don’t seem commensurate.

Fortunately the developed world seems to be coming to its collective senses on this sort of thing. So I guess within a few years we’re going to see whether the Celtic Tiger was made of paper all along.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister, Boris Johnson and Chancellor, Rishi Sunak will now Self Isolate after earlier declaring that they will not.

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Damn, that's another huge decorating bill then ;)

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Whilst I love bashing Boris as much as the next person :erm: this isn’t as much of a story as has been sensationalised by the media, there’s about twenty public sector orgs and private companies involved in this trial that Boris & Rishi found themselves on.

It does however present itself as another spectacular gaffe/uturn.

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BoJo is now actually piloting the new 'Back-Track and Trace'.

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Quite agree with the sensationalism, but we should be used to that from the media by now.

As for a gaffe/U-turn . . . maybe Bojo and Rishi have decided that the trial (involving around twenty public sector orgs and private companies) isn't as good as was first made out to be ;) :p:

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That's what BoJo would like you to think- the BBC is reporting that organisstions cited have not taken part. Whatever the truth of the matter, BoJo looks to have been poorly advised

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Any nonsense about people who are meant to to be immune, either from vaccination or previous actual infection, being reinfected, misses the fact that they must have come in close contact with somebody who is able to transmit it.

If 1m people are or might be infected, that means over 100,000 infected people out there, still able to transmit it. With lockdowns and people sticking to the rules, that just not be possible.

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:D

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Does the EU not prevent member States from undercutting other members to increase their own tax take? :confused:

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And it was just pure chance that they both happened to be picked for this trial.....

I think even Johnson has realised that this one rule for us and another for everyone else attitude would annoy the public.

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The decision making today imho is nowhere near as bad the decision making that’s going to lead to an all out s***show starting in approx 3.5hrs

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How other countries are coping with coronavirus as lockdowns ease and cases rise
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...downs-21045658

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Project fear.

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How is it 'Project Fear' where's your evidence to support this ?

This isn't 'Freedom Day' we're not 'free' until we can control this pandemic at a local, national & global level. Our actions from today have the potential to cause significant suffering to others. Our actions should be considered & thoughtful. Unlike the government's.

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:tu: Delta Variant likes this comment

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:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Just been for my first maskless shop, i could feel the eyes on my back as everyone else was masked up.

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They were probably thinking what a selfish so and so that cares only for himself...

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Yes there's always one. :erm:
My local hospital is full of people, who thought it was all over and taking beds from people who need other urgent treatments.

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As long as that's all, I won't lose any sleep over it.

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As long as the shop did not have it's own mask policy, which is basically the governments way of extending restrictions through the private sector... then all power to you.

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No, I'm sure they were thinking Law abiding citizen. Unless they have all been brain-washed by the state.