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Stop I want to get out of this rudderless,oar less,mapless,compass less,holed wreck of a canoe..only I don't have a life jacket. Bummer!

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Canoes have paddles ;)and don't require a rudder.

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Also it will probably be overturned on appeal. Looks like McDonalds screwed up the case.

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The people of the UK can already call it a Big Mac. They lost the battle to stop Super Mac from calling themselves that. I am not sure why anyone would want a relatively small Irish chain to lose their name.

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But the trouble with the paddles is they have no clue as to what direction they go in.;)

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I hope that's a vote on himself :D

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longing for the day he not leader no more

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It suits me he is the leader of Labour i'v said that many times .. Keeps the socialists out and that's a good thing.Last thing we need is them in control again raping the country and sending it further backwards ...

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did anyone watch jeremy vine on channel 5 this morning. Farage was on there and I think he made some good points considering the 2 cretins that were ganging up on him

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Anyway assuming the vote fails tomorrow the next plan seems to be cross-party talks on what it will take to pass the bill. Labour want a customs union for one....

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Well there's cross-party consensus for Remain, it's hard to see what else they'd agree upon.

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The thing is up until this moment she never had any intention of ever having cross-party talks over Brexit.

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Where's your clock?

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Shhhh!! Don't let the cat out of the bag!

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Can we call a motion of no confidence in JC.

All he wants is no10 and using Brexit to try and get there

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I would make every last dam mp stay in parliament until they sort out an agreement to take us out of the EU.

I mean 7 days a week

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The clocks still ticking as you know mate .. it was just getting a bit boring shoving it in your face all the time that's all . i don't need to remind myself i'm not deluded lol :):)

Have a wonderful night yea.. Peace to all mankind and the syrian hamsters,The forgotten hamsters :rolleyes:

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JC is doing what he has always done, niggle and poke at the leader. In the past it was mostly his own party leaders he niggled and poked, now it is just the opposition.

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You would probably want to include BoJo, Michael Gove and many others in that broad criteria.

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Any vote where two opposite sides would vote the same way is fundamentally flawed and a total nonsense. There will have been those on the remain side and those on the leave side that would have voted against the proposals. Just as with any 2nd referendum on the issue, the vote wouldn't indicate anything.

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That means nothing. They just don't have a trademark on it. Doesn't mean that McDs have to change the burger name.

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Happy Vote of No Confidence Day!

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Which will be a complete waste of time as it will achieve diddly Squat.

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Will my continental quilt still work when your clock ticks out

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Lots of speculation that either way May might ask the EU to extend Article 50 in order to sort out a deal/exit terms/referendum/heat death of the universe but I don't see it myself.

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Of course, just a seven euro charge every night to get underneath it ;)

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Yup, it's symbolic only, nothing will happen.

May now has to swallow her pride & ask for an extension to A50. Well, she could quit I guess

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Here's a list of how MPs voted in lasts nights division - https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...tputType=Names

My MP (David Gauke) voted yes but he toes the company line. I guess that's how you get to be a Cabinet Minister! Did your MP vote with your wishes and, if not, would it influence how you would vote in the next General Election?

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If you in the cabinet and you don't vote for the government's policy you are expected to resign.

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But did she not rule that out like everything else she has ruled out before then.

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I expect Theresa May is looking forward to today's vote as she will actually win it.

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The term being used is 'expected to win'

stranger things have happened (agree it's very, very unlikely she will lose)

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I would boycott any General Election. The disgusting attitudes by Parliamentarians, who’ve stood on election pledges and then done opposite to what got them elected. No thanks. Democracy abusers would probably demand another vote, when the result doesn’t go their way.

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Glad to see our leave supporting MP voted the "correct" way. Well done Tim Loughton. :tu:

I posted this on another forum (post #318) but it bears repeating here:

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No Deal and No Brexit are both more likely now. I do think we'll end up with a softer Brexit though as that's the only way May can get a variation of this deal though Parliament. It could well end up being EFTA or this + customs union.

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I don't think no deal will happen,

EFTA would required freedom of movement would it not ? Which would then have people who voted too leave angry and up in arms.

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BREAKING: A Presidential source says France warns it’s Business sector that a No-Deal Brexit has become highly likely and must put preparations for No-Deal in to operation.

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It’s good that our European partners are preparing. We clearly aren’t!

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My MP voted Yea. He is in cabinet so that could be expected. But he is a remainer and our area is also strongly remain so it would be understandable if he voted nay as he does take representing us seriously.

He is also a sussed fellah so if he believed the deal to be the best way forward he would have voted that way.

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Well we had that lorry car park practice thing & we've got a ferry company that can deliver chow mein. What more do you want ?

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A piss up in a brewery very much spring to mind!!!

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I think whichever way it finally goes the damage is done. The country is divided and will be for quite a while yet.

I think cracks are showing in the EU utopia, and in the present (and probably forthcoming) world economic fluctuations it's hard to guess if the cracks will heal or grow larger.

Personally I'd still like a clean break 'no deal' rather than a cobbled together deal which doesn't really do anything for either side.


P.S. It's raining here . . . should I start stockpiling water? :D

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Agree with all of that, except stockpiling rain - we get too much of that.

Germany is heading for a recession, other EU members are experiencing serious economic issues - cracks are bound to appear at this late stage, the leave date, enshrined in to law, is our best negotiating weapon, we can go back to the EU - give us a reasonable deal, if not, then cya later, we're going anyway.

It's not the EU way though, how we are going - they want us to vote again and again and again, that is their utter corruption, they are an anti-democratic bunch of power grabbing cretins.

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Not sure what a "sussed fellah" is but this very same MP did "officially" open a new food bank in the city. He feel so strongly in representing us seriously, he is making sure we have enough food banks :)

https://www.thecanary.co/wp-content/...Bank-Brine.jpg

Seemed quite proud of his party's accomplishment in this area ..

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Just seen this - funny whatever side of the debate people are on:

https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/statu...06271527297024

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Agreed, was just about to post the same.

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May suffers worst Government Commons defeat in history, there is a no confidence motion vote on her government later on and in PMQ’s right now, Corbyn moves off Brexit quickly and starts rambling about the Adult skills budget and food bank use.

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Posturing for GE ?

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I think she came out of it looking better than corbyn .

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He's seen my post above :)

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They're all fecking useless.

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That ain't saying much as they are both utterly useless at a time when this country was crying out for proper decisive strong leadership which has been non existent these past couple of years when we needed it most.

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The EU is a protectionist Bloc that has ruled in favour of a European Business.

No Surprise there.

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Riddle me this.

Labour want a Customs Union, May's deal means if a new equitable customs agreement cannot be agreed we stay indefinitely in the "Customs Union". Why isn't Labour happy about that?

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She just stated in PMQ there are three possible outcomes.

Deal, No Deal, Revoke A50

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Because they want to 'lock in' the customs union now I guess. The custom's arrangement is unlikely to be the same as the customs union (who knows what they would be) and the backstop isn't meant to stick around.

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Whilst No Deal is the default route right now, it's the least likely to happen IMO MP's will try and utilise every single trick in the book, perhaps something like the 'humble address' to stop this from occurring.

Deal, not going to happen because there's no changes that can be made according to the EU. Unless May can work some magic in the next few days (which i highly doubt)

That leaves revoke A50. As much as i would love to see that happen, I highly doubt she would go down this route either, it's political suicide.

I honestly don't know how she can proceed

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Customs Union coming our way soon. i.e. EU membership in all but name without the voting rights. Which means all this has been a waste of time, money and divided the country unnecessarily.

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Maybe, but, the leave camp would be furious as it's not Brexit. The question that begs is then would leave voters prefer option a) Customs Union or option b) Remaining in the EU

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i.e. Chips or French Fries ;)

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pommes frites avec mayonnaise/mit mayonnaise ;)

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Or jackets with a nice crispy skin.;)

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Option c) No deal.

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Sorry, there is no mandate for No Deal. Not in the House and not from the Leave campaign:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/01/12.jpg

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Leave.eu was the official campaign group.

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The WTO deal or the legal default position as it is also known.

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Vote Leave was designated by the Electoral Commission as the official campaign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36086987

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Sorry, you are wrong again. As Hugh has said:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vote_Leave

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This report is from late 2016 / early 2017

https://publications.parliament.uk/p.../1077/1077.pdf

House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee

Article 50 negotiations: Implications of ‘no deal’

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Not. Going. To. Happen

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So you think we will leave with a deal.

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Nope, I think at some point May will blink, Article 50 will be delayed and then it will go to a 2nd referendum. From there however all bets are off.

EDIT: and to add to that, the result must be accepted, regardless of the result.

Now we have some exposure of how a deal would work, we have an idea of how no deal would work. and of course we know what happens if we remain.

There can be no complaints this time from remain supporters. if there were to be a deal or no deal majority.

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My take as well ..

Although there is a chance of the EU giving way enough (on the backstop) to appease enough doubters to get her amended deal over the line. A long shot since it lost by 200 ..

One thing I do like is that MP's get to vote on a deal until they get it right where the country only gets one go ... :)

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But they won't do that unless or until the UK Government and Parliament can actually pick and agree on what they want.

Currently there is no amended proposal - or any other agreed proposal.

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We could have done that, but after the vote the EU said that they would not entertain any negotiations until Article 50 had been triggered. So I agree, that was a statement they could not back up as they couldn't speak for the other side.

And subsequently EU said they will not entertain any negotiations on a new deal until the withdrawal agreement is signed off.

So doubly wrong.

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It was pretty obvious at the time as well that the EU would not enter negotiations until article 50 was triggered as the deadline gave them leverage. Whereas waiting until we were happy with the talks would give us leverage as we could hold article 50 over their heads throughout, causing as much uncertainty as possible.

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I can see the sarcasm was lost on both of you.

I'll use a smiley after to indicate next time.

The result of the referendum was leave.

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Indeed, but you didn't specify how... you allowed the politicians to choose how it should be done. Any argument otherwise is revisionist.

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People voted leave swayed by various different claims from the Leave campaign.

The fact these promises were not possible under the Treaty of Rome EU rules, seems to have been ignored in an effort to sell the Leave dream.

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A new buzz word has surfaced today 'Brino'- Brexit in name only.

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JRM, the Honourable Member for the 18th Century, first used that phrase in January 18.

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May wins no confidence vote.

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was never gonna lose it

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Only by 19 votes... I demand a second vote!

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Exactly as turkeys don't vote for Christmas do they.

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Unnecessarily and what's worse is there was no appetite amongst the public for it until Dave called the referendum, the EU was waaaaayyyyy down the public's list of priorities until then, who knows if he'd stuck to the big society instead of letting Gideon derail it with austerity he might have got away with it to

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It's not entirely unknown...

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A large proportion wanted leave for a long time before any referendum. They just never had a genuine opportunity to vote on that. Plus nobody was really allowed to complain about it, and still aren't.

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Didn't you at one time support UKIP.

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Any evidence to back up that proposition, please?

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Our German chums don't mess around on the language front:
Was für ein Brexshit!

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There clearly is none hence no link.
The Express, Sun, Telegraph, Mail and others made a business from complaining about the EU.

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Perhaps, with new information available, and/or seeing how they behaved, he decided to change his mind - it happens...

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Well Corbyn (in theory) now has the scope to back a second referendum saying options have been exhausted and May isn’t interested in meaningful negotiations with the opposition. Whether the second part of that sentence is true or not is irrelevant- the judgement will fall down on party lines.

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He did until quite recently, ie about 10 UKIP leaders ago. :D

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As Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU by a margin of 56% to 44% why can they not have a referendum on the hard border issue. Stuff the DUP.

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LOL Bless.. The sound of a gutted man :D:D

You really did think TM was going to lose this vote tonight :p:

Onwards and upwards :):)

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Well, as David Davis said "“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.”

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Quite

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Onwards and upwards to what ? How exactly have this evenings proceedings crystallised anything whatsoever?

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There is no evidence people have changed their minds, piffling little polls with minute sample sizes compared to the actual result are totally irrelevant.

Polls that keep happening are very similar to what they were before the referendum and leave still won.

We simply do not keep having the same vote over and over, until the result goes the way of the democracy abusers.

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:clap: :clap:

They are petulant children Mick,But there are naughty steps for them and they will be firmly placed on them :)

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I don’t think you’ll find I have suggested any such thing on this forum.

It was also merely an observation on Corbyn’s next steps. I’ve always said MPs want to remain but not get the blame for it.

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Undertone : Noun.;)

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So UKIP and Leave supporters aren't negatively reported on, harassed, etc?


There are countless examples of where leave supporters are "attacked" one way or another.


Love to know where the examples are of UKIP/leave supporters being treated positively.

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I think it's more likely a version of May's Deal with some Labour amendments, such as a customs union, is gonna pass.

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Undertone: member of the Undertones, Irish punk rock band. :D

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There are a minority of people who embrace violence on the 'Leave side' too. Doesn't mean anyone is being silenced.