Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06..._banking_loss/

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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I follow Frank's view. By indulging in page after page of verbal table tennis with trolls the worth of genuine contributions here is debased. It makes it more difficult to use the forum to reference valuable information with which to pursue our individual efforts and diverts attention from the very real issues that are being adressed.
One page of constructive discourse is worth more than a hundred pages of tit for tat.

Please ignore trolls

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You've lost me there - there's a few HamsterWheel's on the net. That quote is not one of mine.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

BTW Paivi - Linked in says your position at Phorm is the COO? Care to clarify what your exact position is?

Oh and hey, loving reading your Thai reports

:angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Is this a board about privacy concerns, or one about conspiracy theories ?

Paivi ? I keep telling you I'm nowt to do with phorm. Alex will let you know when he returns from his cab shift.

Thai ? - only been there once, what reports are you linking me too ? [purely out of interest....]

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:D

You're rattled lol - didn't think anyone could connect you.

BTW, you missed your trip to Patagonia on your blogs etc.

Oh - and you think I am going to PUBLICLY give the info.

Hey, just to clear up - is it Paivi or Pivi? I mean is it Paivi only when you use the the accent?

Anyways, its established, proven, and out in the open....

You

work

for

Phorm

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No I don't.

As for Patagonia - already been posted on the thread above ! Nice try, but very amateurish.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Pete

Check your PM.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I see there is an ad for Virgin Broadband at the top of this page.
How ironic.

Perhaps if the site owners signed up for Phorm they could have more targetted ads that would be better for the blood pressure of the regulars.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I wonder if they'll post my comment?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

As far as you know.
No. Concerns about hackers are *very* relevant. Phorm will store the data somewhere (even while it's being anoymised, it's still stored). Those phorm servers *could* potentially store a lot of personal information. They will be attacked by hackers because of this. We only have the assurances of a company that accidentally installed root kits on user's PCs that the servers are secure.

Why would a hacker bother with hacking an ecommerce site to get credit card details for a few thousand peoples, when they could hack the Phorm system and get all the credit card details for 10s or 100s of thousands of people?

You have only the assurances of them and their consultants of that.

It's actually a board that attempts to help users with problems.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Let's move on from the debate of whether or not someone is or is not who they might be thought to be. By it's nature the internet does allow a level of anonyminity. Unless someone wants to admit to something, it won't easily be proveable.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

sorry i dont see adverts must be some thing to with a plug in ABP and adaware removing the ad`s saving me bandwidth, which is something we cannot do with phorm is block it stop it, hence the move to a non phorm isp.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Stuart - Ernst & Young have done a full privacy audit on what Phorm does. And they will no doubt regularly update it. And BT, Virgin and CPW will also have done their own work on the privacy aspects and data retention.

If you are going to say that you still don't trust them, then one wonders if you could ever trust anyone or any commercial organisation ?

And if there are any shenanigans, then BT etc will be the first to scream as it is their reputations that will be on the line.

Harping back to Phorm's background is getting a bit turgid now. The company is rather different now and has a hugely heavyweight board that would not be involved in anything inherently dodgy.

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Wildie - very happy that you don't see the ads, but without the revenue generated by them, the board would obviously not exist would it ?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'd imagine you're right, and if you want to know a user's interests you'd ideally want to identify the root pages commonly visited by them, as many of them will be the user's bookmarks - which would typically be given away by the presence of a cookie and no referer in the header of the initial request.

If I was designing a MITM system, I'd be very tempted to capture a hash of the user's cookie whenever they are updated for those sites, that way I'd have a good chance of IDing them next time they visit the site from their initial request just by comparing the cookie hash.

Only manipulating the datastream to read a user's master cookie when you need to, would make it less likely for end-users to notice the interventions and also minimise the risk of causing browsing artifacts. If that is what Nebuad are doing, then Phorm's system is very primative in comparisson.