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denphone 27-11-2017 06:20
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926486)
Why are there so many problems/issues with Brexit? It's such a good well thought out way forward, that surely the mere thought of it will give our economy a massive boost? Yet the opposite seems to have happened, and the outlook for the UK is grim compared to other EU countries. Our growth rate is lower than that of the Eurozone, and the lowest in the G7.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8028891.html

It's an utter mystery, as it's a brilliant idea, what can of possibly gone wrong?? .....:rolleyes:.
Plenty that is for sure Mr K unless our great HMG and the EU start to impart then themselves with some common sense reality of the world instead of the Utterly predictable dogma that comes from both sides currently.

Damien 27-11-2017 07:39
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926505)
Last time I checked, Vote Leave was a campaign. It ceased to be a campaign after 23rd June 2016.
So? The people who led it are largely still in office and it’s not unresponsive to ask them for ideas and responsibility in enacting the vision they argued for.

It’s pretty typical that Vote Leave or any of their leaders are excused from any responsibility but somehow those in the Remain who aren’t even in government are seemingly responsible for solving this all.

Mick 27-11-2017 08:47
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926520)
So? The people who led it are largely still in office and it’s not unresponsive to ask them for ideas and responsibility in enacting the vision they argued for.

It’s pretty typical that Vote Leave or any of their leaders are excused from any responsibility but somehow those in the Remain who aren’t even in government are seemingly responsible for solving this all.
You are totally incorrect. For a start, nobody I know has asked anyone in the Remain camp for ideas, because their ideas are not to leave the EU at all in the first place, just look at Vince Cable for Lib Dem’s screaming for a Second referendum, that’s not what I envision as a ‘good idea’, we’ve had one, we are not having another.

You say so, the people you say are still in office, ARE trying to enact a vision, some of them want a hard brexit with no settlement but they cannot just act on their own accord. Plus some of them would be acting outside their Cabinet positions, hell, Boris has tried and just look at the flack he’s got and slap downs and screams to get him fired, which has been a bit pathetic actually.

Every step of the way, hardline Remainers are trying their best to thwart the Democratic decision that was taken on June 23rd, 2016, they have no ideas post brexit, other than to do their best to halt, delay and stop the leave process.

Damien 27-11-2017 09:07
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Good so they can solve this Irish border problem rather that it being somehow Osborne, Blair or Cleggs fault.

Mick 27-11-2017 09:29
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926526)
Good so they can solve this Irish border problem rather that it being somehow Osborne, Blair or Cleggs fault.
I really don’t know how you can say ‘somehow’, unless you have been hiding under a rock, and you haven’t, because you follow stuff like this, closely, like me.

They do have some blame, it was only the other week, Clegg was seen in Brussels, with Ken Clark, Lord Adonis, having a meeting with the Chief Negotiator, Barnier, wtf were they doing there and what were they discussing?

All three of them Europhiles, scheming and plotting, they all have the same goal, to stop brexit. Quite frankly they had no right to be there at all.

Damien 27-11-2017 09:52
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926531)
I really don’t know how you can say ‘somehow’, unless you have been hiding under a rock, and you haven’t, because you follow stuff like this, closely, like me.
Because this Irish border problem seems to be everyone's responsibility but ours. This was flagged as an issue before the vote, the Irish government said as much before the vote, the question of the Good Friday agreement was brought up before the vote and the Irish government brought it up again after the vote.

Suddenly as it becomes more pressing the Brexiters in Government are having a go at Ireland and the EU without having any answers themselves and since they said it wouldn't be an issue before the vote it's time to ask them what they had in mind? Customs Union?

heero_yuy 27-11-2017 11:12
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Britain has nothing to fear from a “no deal” Brexit, the world’s leading diplomat declared yesterday.

Roberto Azevedo insisted trading with the EU under World Trade Organisation rules was “perfectly manageable”.

The director general of the WTO made the welcome intervention as EU officials turned the heat up on Theresa May in a bid to get Britain to up its divorce bill.

Speaking from the WTO HQ in Geneva Mr Azevedo said: “It is not the end of the world if the UK trades under WTO rules with the EU.

“Around half of the UK’s existing trade is already on WTO terms – with the US, China and several large emerging nations where the EU doesn’t have trade agreements.”

His declaration comes in stark contrast to doom-mongering Remainers who claim trading under WTO rules would be “disastrous” for British firms.
Source

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Universities saw a record number of international student admissions this year - despite fears they may be put off by Brexit.

Official figures show the number of foreign students applying to British unis was the highest ever at 70,945 – a two per cent rise on last year.

Ucas said there was a five per cent rise in students applying from outside the EU like the US and China and a small decrease in students from countries like Germany France and Italy.

Overall 2,090 more international students – who pay higher fees - applied to start undergraduate courses this autumn, a 2.8 per cent hike on last year.

They more than made up for the number of EU students applying that fell slightly by 650 students to 30,700.
Source

More project fear demons slain.:)

jonbxx 27-11-2017 11:14
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The status of the Good Friday Agreement is a tough one to negotiate. I saw a nice picture summarising the issues of immigration for start but here's an overview...
  • The GFA states that there must be free movement between the South and North. Stopping this will break the agreement and anger republicans
  • As part of the UK, there should be free movement between the North and Great Britain. Stopping this will anger unionists
  • As part of the EU, there must be free travel between the South and the rest of the EU. Stopping this will put Ireland in breach of the Maastricht Treaty
  • As part of Brexit, we might want to restrict immigration from the EU. Stopping this will annoy the 33% of Leave voters who cited immigration as the most important reason to leave

I honestly don't know where we can go from here without someone losing out

Carth 27-11-2017 16:30
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Let the whole of Ireland stay in the EU.

The Irish who who want to remain in the EU can stay there, those who don't can move to the UK.

Fill the wet bit in the middle with mines.

See, even a simpleton like myself can sort out the mess :D

Damien 27-11-2017 16:38
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35926581)
Let the whole of Ireland stay in the EU.

The Irish who who want to remain in the EU can stay there, those who don't can move to the UK.

Fill the wet bit in the middle with mines.

See, even a simpleton like myself can sort out the mess :D
Not sure the DUP will be massive fans of that. :p:

TheDaddy 27-11-2017 17:45
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35926584)
Not sure the DUP will be massive fans of that. :p:
Poxy remoaners trying to thwart brexit, was a perfectly reasonable idea inconveniencing as few (hundred thousand) people as possible and laying a few mines, what could be simpler, the suggestion that migrants would be laying the mines as no brit fancied the job of being blown to smithereens is no more than project fear rearing its ugly head again

Mick 27-11-2017 20:18
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35926607)
Poxy remoaners trying to thwart brexit, was a perfectly reasonable idea inconveniencing as few (hundred thousand) people as possible and laying a few mines, what could be simpler, the suggestion that migrants would be laying the mines as no brit fancied the job of being blown to smithereens is no more than project fear rearing its ugly head again
I think it was a joke....

1andrew1 27-11-2017 20:38
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35926607)
Poxy remoaners trying to thwart brexit, was a perfectly reasonable idea inconveniencing as few (hundred thousand) people as possible and laying a few mines, what could be simpler, the suggestion that migrants would be laying the mines as no brit fancied the job of being blown to smithereens is no more than project fear rearing its ugly head again
Exactly. We need to train those job-dodging lazy Brits in the fine arts of mine-laying. It would soon give them a bit of get up and go! :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35926581)
Let the whole of Ireland stay in the EU.

The Irish who who want to remain in the EU can stay there, those who don't can move to the UK.

Fill the wet bit in the middle with mines.

See, even a simpleton like myself can sort out the mess :D
In your favour - unlike gormless Gove et al - you do have a plan of sorts. Well, more of sorts than a plan! :D

TheDaddy 28-11-2017 01:43
Re: Brexit discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926630)
I think it was a joke....
I think they all were, well mine was at least

arcimedes 28-11-2017 09:44
Re: Brexit discussion
 
Just a thought. How many Irish living in the UK voted for Brexit? Somebody must have done a survey.


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