Originally Posted by cityfan247 (Post 35562445)

whether i subscribe to the new BT sports pack (assuming it comes to VM) is going to come down to cost and whether i think it represents value to me.

Premier League footy? it wont have as many games as Sky so if its a choice of one or the other for people Sky (whilst more expensive) may be better value to some.

Bundesliga/serie A/Ligue 1- i like my footy but i have asked myself how many of these games do i actually watch ? to be honest i dont watch that many- i probably watch more La Liga games (on Sky Sports of course)

US Sports- assuming there is some type of ESPN America equivalent. I have subscribed since NASN first started up. But ESPN Americas rights have been diluted since they lost the NHL and and NFL programming. NFL is on Sky and i am not that overly bothered about NBA.

I like College sports and baseball but i have subscribed to MLB.TV for a few years so that sorts my baseball fix and last year i could watch all Notre Dame football games(my favs) perfectly legally on the NBC website.

i ask myself could i live without ESPN America right now - yeh i can and in fact if it wasnt part of the ESPN pack in XL i probably would pay for it these days tbh.

i question how many punters will be a) able and b) willing to fork out the potential £40+ pm for both Sky Sports and BT Sports. Whilst they have tried to increase their portfolio BT Sports is pretty much the same as Setanta & ESPN before it - and look at whats happened to them. BT may be a bigger beast but if they think some premier league games and other stuff is going to make jump from Sky or VM to their platform or choose BT sports over Sky Sports or in addition to it i wonder if they have over estimated their likely revenue from the UK market just as it seems Setanta and ESPN did (you could even include the ill fated ITV Sport deal in English Football a decade or so ago). If BT Sports doesnt make money (or enough of it) how long before they also pull the plug?

Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35562454)

I understand they have 19 first picks. (City v Utd, Utd v City, Che v Ars, Liv v Utd etc...)

And then 19 last picks.

I just assumed that the first picks meant in the 4pm sunday slots.

Even if sat lunch, they still have first picks for half the season.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35562484)

I'm just saying it as I see it.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35562293)

That is not correct - as I live in a block of flats and not allowed to install a dish I have cable and subscribe to all the sports channels

Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35562345)

Correct. This isn't true. We used to be with Sky but went to Virgin (with sports) because Sky wanted £250 for a new box.

Now thinking of going back to Sky though due to current situation and likely higher cost with virgin

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35562515)

Who needs to watch drama when they can read this thread :D

People seem to be getting a wee bit carried away :p:

My personal opinion for what its worth is that this fiasco will get resolved before the start of the new football season I believe both sides are just using their financial muscle to make a statement , BT need Sky Sports and the Sky Entertainment channels for people to see its Vision platform as real competition to Sky and VM likewise Sky would like to wholesale the BT Sports channel on its own platform to ensure that Sport on Sky doesn't work out more expensive than on the Vision and VM platform.

Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35562516)

Problem is both companies have HUUUUGE ego's. I think the only this is going to get resolved is by a regulation/resolution through ofcom mediation.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35562515)

Who needs to watch drama when they can read this thread :D

People seem to be getting a wee bit carried away :p:

My personal opinion for what its worth is that this fiasco will get resolved before the start of the new football season I believe both sides are just using their financial muscle to make a statement , BT need Sky Sports and the Sky Entertainment channels for people to see its Vision platform as real competition to Sky and VM likewise Sky would like to wholesale the BT Sports channel on its own platform to ensure that Sport on Sky doesn't work out more expensive than on the Vision and VM platform.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35562530)

Wouldn't surprise me if Sky and VM improved their relationship. Eg reduce price of Sports to VM with the caveat that they don't carry BT sports. That would be interesting.

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35562530)

Wouldn't surprise me if Sky and VM improved their relationship. Eg reduce price of Sports to VM with the caveat that they don't carry BT sports. That would be interesting.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35562518)

Hmmm Ofcom the regulator who are as toothless as they come.

Originally Posted by batchain (Post 35562537)

Hardly an improved relationship. Virgin would never accept and I'm pretty sure UK competition law prohibits such agreements. In any case Sky tried this before with Telewest & Nynex, like before this too would fall foul of the OFT.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35562497)

And this forum is all about different opinions and yours are welcomed just as much as anybody elses.:)

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35562515)

Who needs to watch drama when they can read this thread :D

People seem to be getting a wee bit carried away :p:

My personal opinion for what its worth is that this fiasco will get resolved before the start of the new football season I believe both sides are just using their financial muscle to make a statement , BT need Sky Sports and the Sky Entertainment channels for people to see its Vision platform as real competition to Sky and VM likewise Sky would like to wholesale the BT Sports channel on its own platform to ensure that Sport on Sky doesn't work out more expensive than on the Vision and VM platform.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35562610)

Yes there are a few Drama Queens on here and they know who they are.:D;)