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Exactly Seph.

This (and past governments) are/were quite happy to be 'told' what to do and have no ideas of their own on how to proceed . . or maybe they do have ideas but daren't mention them out loud in case it upsets someone

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You keep trotting in that line out, even though you had the arch-Brexiteer Tories in charge for nearly five years (Johnson et al), who binned anyone who wasn't as fervent as them...


It doesn't matter what shade of lipstick you try to use, it's still a pig at the end of the day...

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It would make the country richer so we can spend more money on the police, NHS, councils and other areas without increasing taxes. We could spend money on potholes and not on red tape for exports, for example.

By joininng the electricity single market, energy bills would be cheaper too.

And since we left the EU, regulation of the water companies has been demonstrably weakened.

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Agreed, it's denial of the purest form.

Just how many more prime ministers do you need Seph before you acknowledge that Brexit has not brought the benefits you dreamed of? :confused:

In a way Brexit has made us more European - frequent changes of PM, high taxation and end to stable government! :D

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if the eu is so good why do you live here, why not clear off and be happy

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I'd like Andrew to explain why and how rejoining the EU will make the UK richer.

The EU aren't really in a position to be throwing money around . . unless it's to buy up the very few profitable businesses we still have, close them down, and rebuild them over there using (probably) cheaper labour :D

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It makes us richer by reducing the red tape when trading with the EU. It also increases the chances that future investents in Europe include the UK on the shortlist.

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It’s because of the EU that we have the red tape and bureaucracy.

I agree that the Conservative government failed to move us forward as they should have done. Without the bonfire of regulations, we were not giving the businesses the freedoms that Brexit was meant to deliver. It’s the EU regulations that are a barrier to business, so this was a prerequisite.

Brexit hasn’t failed, but our politicians have done.

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You’re only saying what I’m saying. You have not justified rejoining - you have only bemoaned the governments’ failures.


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It would make the country richer so we can spend more money on the police, NHS, councils and other areas without increasing taxes.

The Remainers trot out this line without justification. Quoting GDP changes withoput specifics and actions to make GDP increase happen is lazy remainerism. As for red tape on exports, all that can be automated.

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By joininng the electricity single market, energy bills would be cheaper too.

How so? Our Net Zero policies are the problem here. Also, if we drill, we can assure gas supply for homes and power by buying all the output up (at market prices). Even I could negotiate such a deal with licencees. Critical to all this is rebuilding our gas storage facilities.

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And since we left the EU, regulation of the water companies has been demonstrably weakened.

Oh please. A willing governmnet can regulate the ewater industry as much and as properly as it wants, including use of criminal law. For this industry, Thatcher has much to answer for and all governments since have not regulated this runaway profit taking industry properly.

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Just how many more prime ministers do you need Seph before you acknowledge that Brexit has not brought the benefits you dreamed of?

That’s a totally vacuous question. What’s need is a PM that grasps the issue properly, defining what needs to be done to grow the econonomy and stepped benefits that will follow as tghe plan is achieved. This will be very difficult given the years that have passed. But rejoining the EU dows not solve the problem of economic growtrh; rather the opposite - it’ll be easier for them to sell to us.

Actually, this country is well effed due to shot government. It has to be id elections are gonna be won on issues such as the boat people; mind you, that’s terrorism on a plate for you.




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By how much (in annual GBP)? Please back up your argument so that the voter can take that to the referendum booth.

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You misunderstood my statement - Brexit is the pig, successive Governments were just make-up artists and marketing executives trying to convince the Country that Sus scrofa domesticus was, in fact, very attractive, and we simply weren't wearing the appropriate rose-tinted lenses that would show it in it's full splendour...

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No matter which Government comes up with even a half workable plan, there are too many rules and too many fools that will scupper it.

We're all in the (sinking) boat together aren't we :dig:

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Probably because there's no freedom of movement anymore...

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Exactly. Either having an off day or forgotten what he'd voted for. ;)

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We voted for Brexit, little realising that the Remain camp were going to use every dirty trick in the book to make sure it all went wrong afterwards . . . :Yes:

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i voted for the side that won, and like every brexiteer that i know i'm still happy with winning,but dissapointed with the political treachery that followed,any hoo you losers can still watch your beloved eurovision pong contest:) at least you can watch them even if they don't want you.

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How did they do that? Forge BoJo's signature to allow the Boriswave of over 4 million immigrants in? :D

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Do you think BoJo failed us with his Boriswave of 4.2m migrants?

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The Remain camp that wasn't in power?


It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

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Seems to be the fashion these days to blame someone else. Back in the day, people would say they called it wrong, we all make mistakes and we'd move on. Their honesty was seen as a strength. These days it's a case of never admit you're wrong, that's seen a sign of weakness. I think the country is poorer with this approach.

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you seem to blame everything on brexit

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Can you give me an example of this?

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i'm not trawling through all that remoaner drivel

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Oh how you soon forget all the legal roadblocks and dead end delaying tactics that the 'Remain Camp' (and their perfect EU) threw at everything put forward to make Brexit work . . . after you'd lost.
Such petty childish behavior, usually seen from spoilt brats throwing tantrums. Maybe, just maybe, some of the crap deals we ended up with are your fault too :D

oh, late edit: Actually the 'Remain' camp were in power, the Gov. didn't want to leave the EU. The Brexit referendum only went ahead because they 'knew' (as supported by expert evidence and polling LOL) that not many would vote for Brexit. . . . this Gov. still aren't listening to the people either.

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Just read the reports. Here's a starting point. https://obr.uk/box/how-are-our-brexi...ns-performing/

But if you're seeking a report specifically explaining how Mr Sephiroth of Wokingham, England will be better off each month then you have set your expectations too high; one might suggest intentionally so.

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Do you know what the first thing I read in that link was?

I stopped reading after that, we can all make assumptions based on our own circumstances :PP:

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You need to continue reading and see if the assumptions are reasonable. :tu:

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No, because an 'assumption' is just a clever word for a 'guess'.

Remember all the experts making 'assumptions' that the Brexit referendum would be a sure thing . . until it wasn't? ;)

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when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

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I think the polls said a tie? A few million overseas £ got it over the line in the end though.

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Oh that brings back memories



:rofl:

I can't rep you but haha :LOL:

RIP Paul, John Ritter :)

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are you insinuating we paid the French to vote Leave? ;)

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I see now that we have control of our borders Shabana Mahmood is proposing that “community groups” be allowed to identify and sponsor refugees.

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is she on drugs?

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Na. Gary Lineker is first in line to take on the burden.(It's a joke)

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Not sure this is what we voted for.... :spin:

Thank goodness you identified it as such, now that's been clarified, definitely open with that

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TLDR. I have Bregrets. I'm not a pensioner so can see the damage that it caused business. Let's rejoin.

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The damage was called by the government, who failed to deliver the ‘bonfire of regulations’ and all the necessary measures to make Brexit succeed.

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Governments, lots of them, pro EU & anti and none of them could do anything with it, suck it up and stop lying to yourself, this is what we voted for and this is as good as it gets

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As I said, they were meant to get rid of EU legislation to help rid businesses of the bureaucracy, complexity and other burdens imposed by the bloc. They didn’t do it. Too much like hard work, one presumes.

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More like if we had simply done away with all those laws when we left they would be vast swathes of regulatory gaps that'd leave the general public open to exploitation by unscrupulous people, instead of helping businesses it'd create chaos for them. Thats not even mentioning our post brexit trade deal with our biggest trading partner that commits us to a level playing field but that notwithstanding I'd imagine the rules are being scrutinised and binned where possible, to the benefit of uk consumers, workers and businesseses, just because they don't inform us each time doesn't mean its not happening

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Businesses asked the Conservative governments to keep the regulations in place or there would be chaos. There never was realistically going to be a regulatory bonfire.

In fact, as we know, bureaucracy has increased for businesses involved in importing from or exporting to, EU nations.

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What is boiling my urine are the pole that say more people want to rejoin that shower.


I'm guessing they are polling the remain areas only

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Nobody’s suggested that the EU regulations should not be replaced by something more appropriate.

As for the level playing field, as long as that only affects our trade with the rest of the world, that’s OK. But they should not be allowed to dictate the terms on which we trade with other countries.

No legislation is being binned on the quiet. This government is wedded to all things EU. Against the wishes of the electorate in a referendum. How dare they?

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or just making it up

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Demographic changes - Brexit voters have literally died off so a majority of voters think it was a mistake.

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What are you on about, in February 2024 the UK passed the 1000 mark of significantly reforming or repealing EU laws out of a total of 6900 retained laws, the number will be significantly higher by now. Btw you can keep track of every piece of legislation on the UK Government retained EU laws dashboard.

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You guess wrong then...

Re: Britain outside the EU
 

the great brexit voter plague

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Sounds nasty does that, the Govt. needs to be on top of it to stop it spreading. I wonder how much they'll spend on inoculations and preventative measures ;)

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it came as a shock to me to learn that i had either kicked the bucket or changed my mind and suddenly started to love the eu

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Same here Papa, no letter, email, phone call or text to inform me of my changed opinion of the EU. Nobody knocked at the door to tell me about it, and I was never invited to take part in a poll . . . I'm beginning to think those in power just don't like the way I think and are ignoring me and treating me as invisible :D

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I'm afraid that some would prefer to trot out what they've studied at the University of Facebook rather than looking at the actual facts for themselves.

Here's the dashboard
https://reul.businessandtrade.gov.uk/dashboard

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Regular showers might help with that… ;)

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Aren't regular showers exactly what the Governments are proving to be? ;)

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Nah - power showers…

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Won't be allowed soon, as it will use too much power, too much water or not fit in with the local council's "Cleaning Hierarchy" you will first have to use a dry towel, a river or stream, and finally a hose pipe fitted with a water restrictor and collection vessel under you so you can recycle the water into drinking water.

Of course I am joking with that, but seeing as the UK Councils are now following the nutty EU countries who are moving more towards "passive cooling friendly homes" instead of air con because "oh no air con is nasty, uses electric".

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We will soon be back to the Sunday night tin bath in front of the (imitation) coal fire, last one in gets all the dirty water . . and anyone that pees in it gets a good slapping :D

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Jeez, this makes Project Fear look like the Maldives. :D

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tsk . . you youngsters, probably never had the joy of a visit to the outside loo at 9pm on a mid winter evening either. :D

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Live and let live. What you get up to in your spare time is up to you. ;)

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Where you had to break the ice before you could go! Don’t remind me;)

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six inch gap under the door brrr ,but at least you could read the toilet paper:)

and there was no light out there,we had a candle

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I was 19 years old when the outside toilet was converted to a gas fired boiler room and our kitchen larder was converted into an indoor toilet.


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That's nothing. Nine inch gap under the door; less than no light and the toilet paper was yesterday's Daily Mirror, picked up from a tube train seat.

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screw the paper into a ball and ruffle it up till it went soft,for that luxury feel

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Anyhoo, now that we have those images scarred upon our cerebral cortices, let’s get back on topic, please…

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Good to see this being acknowledged.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6jdm3zggl0ko

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Imagine how shocked and ashamed I was when I read this news earlier.

I can't believe those pesky Russians were paying me (monies not yet received) to vote in a certain way, I always thought I was simply a stubborn old sod that did what he wanted to, and anyone that didn't like it can bugger off . . .

Actually, truth be known, it seems to me that Burnham is doing a marvelous job of persuading people to vote Labour by calling over 50% of them stooges.

Bye Andy :wavey:

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That’s just what a Russian bot would say… ;)

Strange how you perceive someone pointing out that another unfriendly country who may have tried to influence voters surreptitiously makes you a "stooge" - that’s like you saying someone using a zebra crossing who gets run over by a drunk driver was trying to commit suicide.

The whole point of it was to influence voters without them knowing…

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Think your being a bit hard on yourself, your not a stooge, its just your voting aligned better with a foreign powers interests than it did our own, that's all.

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yes aligning yourself with 27 foreign powers was a terrible idea

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. . and paying through the nose for the privilege of doing so :D

The EU isn't as clean and sparkling as it makes out, underneath the glamour the cracks are showing and it's falling to bits . . much like that new roof you had done cheap by those scruffy chaps in a rusty white van (probably Russians, everything else seems to be) :D

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Not so much a straw man argument, more like a chorus line of straw men in the touring musical version of the Wizard of Oz. ;)

Could you enlighten me as to which Countries the EU has invaded this century (unlike Russia, which has invaded Georgia and Ukraine), or when the EU has sent assassins to our shores to kill people (Salisbury), or when EU-backed forces shot down a passenger plane killing nearly 300 passengers and crew (Malaysia Airlines Flight 17)?

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don't tell him pike

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Not going to, he's a big boy now, one of us retired folk :D

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I see what you did there :D

*need to spread reps before I can give you one . . oooeer missus

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If they dont know, how do you prove they got influenced at all ?

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did you have a craving for borscht after voting

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When it was announced that we would have a vote on leaving the EU, I, and I suspect, most people already knew which way they would vote. No amount of campaigning would change our minds. So the majority of us voted to leave, but the Remoaners won't accept that, especially the politicians who wanted a fat salary on the EU gravy train.

Anyway, Burnham now says that the Russians didn't interfere, so the gaslighting from Labour continues.

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Da tovarishch!

Oh I said that out loud didn’t I?

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I think it was far less a case of ‘leave’ winning, than ‘remain’ losing, and especially complete failure to explain their case. Rather than massively emphasising the benefits of staying a member of the EU, it tended to be negative - x million job depend on membership and they will all go the day after we leave; the UK will be a third-world country within months of leaving. And this was patently and obviously not going to happen.

Of course it wasn’t all on the same side, remind me again how much extra we could spend on the NHS if we weren’t ‘giving handouts’ to the rest of the EU?

I would be astonished if the Russians didn't try to influence the vote, they would be stupid not to. But Russian bot farms didn’t have a vote, at best they can spread misinformation, but if people believe it then so be it.

Think of it like this, if the CBI urges people to vote Conservative because... or a Trade Union urges people to vote Labour because....are they ‘influencing’ the vote?

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I'm more concerned with the ever continuing American influence, we seem to be welcoming that crap with open arms :shocked:

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i'm still looking for alooominum

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Why, you need a new hat :erm: :)

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yup

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I never knew life in the UK outside of the EU, I wasn't born until a fair few years after the UK joined the EU.

Leaving the EU has NOT affected me really other than purchasing items from the EU cost's a little more than it did before, other than that, I have not really seen an impact either good or bad.

We have had politician's cause more harm than Brexit ever has/could/would or will cause because they were more interested in as you say the "Gravy Train" job's as an "MEP" and the "MEP" exclusive shopping centre and bank's.

If we end up back in the EU which I think we will since Starmer started the backdoor rejoining and Burnham is trying everything he possibly can to get back in, then it will cause more harm that leaving did, if you believe some of the stuff being said online, but then others think it will be the 3rd coming and the UK will miraculously no longer have any issues with migration, money, fuel, utilities etc etc both sides are complete lunatics.

If we did go back into the EU, there would be some benefits not many but there would be some, but there would be two major downsides that people seem to want to ignore:
1: We would lose the £ and be forced to take the Euro
2: This is the bad one mad nutter that is Von Der Leyen wants the EU Budget to increase by more than 30% for the next 7 years, with mainly the "larger" countries paying into it, meaning we would be one if we did go back in, and it appears many in Germany and other places are not happy with it and are voting in "Far Right" parties basically anyone who is not Left is "Far Right", but they are apparently being voted in, in order to control migration from African countries and Asian countries in order to reduce the budget requirements for dealing with the migrants both legal and illegal, as well as apparently wanting to have more freedoms in their countries to control their own healthcare, energy and food sources, instead of relying on who the EU decide are "good" and what is "good" to use.


The problem for me is we have had several governments who are spineless, who refuse to do anything to help the people born in this country, who has legally moved to this country and instead are more focussed on what they can take from people, what they can take for themselves and what they can give to other countries instead of this country.

We should be prioritizing getting our energy production under control, water production, storage and supply under control, health care and food under control, and other things but sadly we have spineless and clueless governments, filled with people making millions of us each year and only concerned with how much more they can take and it doesn't matter if we are in the EU or not, that will not change.


The only way to change is to leave the UK and the EU for countries who prefer to look after themselves first, others second, one day I might win the lottery, get than £2m or more and then I will finally be able to afford a passport which will take 90% of it and with what's left by a plane ticket to somewhere else and never come back!

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Nothing Starmer has done has moved us any closer to joining the EU. He made warmer noises about it, but there is nothing actually there. Not even an easing of trade that might lead to more.

Any rejoin campaign would have to have secured the concession that we don't have to join the Euro to work. The EU would likely be fine with us joining on the same terms as before (maybe not the rebate).

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The ‘will have to join the Euro’ is a bit of a vague target. Currently five countries are members of the EU but have not adopted the Euro. Hypothetically, were the UK to rejoin, one of the conditions would be to ‘move towards adopting the Euro', ‘when conditions are right’ - which is a complete movable feast.

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Well we already have half the population kicking off about immigration, health care, schools, housing etc, so all we need is trade deals and the Euro and we're in with a shout of belonging :D