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Exactly Seph.

This (and past governments) are/were quite happy to be 'told' what to do and have no ideas of their own on how to proceed . . or maybe they do have ideas but daren't mention them out loud in case it upsets someone

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You keep trotting in that line out, even though you had the arch-Brexiteer Tories in charge for nearly five years (Johnson et al), who binned anyone who wasn't as fervent as them...


It doesn't matter what shade of lipstick you try to use, it's still a pig at the end of the day...

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It would make the country richer so we can spend more money on the police, NHS, councils and other areas without increasing taxes. We could spend money on potholes and not on red tape for exports, for example.

By joininng the electricity single market, energy bills would be cheaper too.

And since we left the EU, regulation of the water companies has been demonstrably weakened.

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Agreed, it's denial of the purest form.

Just how many more prime ministers do you need Seph before you acknowledge that Brexit has not brought the benefits you dreamed of? :confused:

In a way Brexit has made us more European - frequent changes of PM, high taxation and end to stable government! :D

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if the eu is so good why do you live here, why not clear off and be happy

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I'd like Andrew to explain why and how rejoining the EU will make the UK richer.

The EU aren't really in a position to be throwing money around . . unless it's to buy up the very few profitable businesses we still have, close them down, and rebuild them over there using (probably) cheaper labour :D

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It makes us richer by reducing the red tape when trading with the EU. It also increases the chances that future investents in Europe include the UK on the shortlist.

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It’s because of the EU that we have the red tape and bureaucracy.

I agree that the Conservative government failed to move us forward as they should have done. Without the bonfire of regulations, we were not giving the businesses the freedoms that Brexit was meant to deliver. It’s the EU regulations that are a barrier to business, so this was a prerequisite.

Brexit hasn’t failed, but our politicians have done.

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You’re only saying what I’m saying. You have not justified rejoining - you have only bemoaned the governments’ failures.


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It would make the country richer so we can spend more money on the police, NHS, councils and other areas without increasing taxes.

The Remainers trot out this line without justification. Quoting GDP changes withoput specifics and actions to make GDP increase happen is lazy remainerism. As for red tape on exports, all that can be automated.

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By joininng the electricity single market, energy bills would be cheaper too.

How so? Our Net Zero policies are the problem here. Also, if we drill, we can assure gas supply for homes and power by buying all the output up (at market prices). Even I could negotiate such a deal with licencees. Critical to all this is rebuilding our gas storage facilities.

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And since we left the EU, regulation of the water companies has been demonstrably weakened.

Oh please. A willing governmnet can regulate the ewater industry as much and as properly as it wants, including use of criminal law. For this industry, Thatcher has much to answer for and all governments since have not regulated this runaway profit taking industry properly.

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Just how many more prime ministers do you need Seph before you acknowledge that Brexit has not brought the benefits you dreamed of?

That’s a totally vacuous question. What’s need is a PM that grasps the issue properly, defining what needs to be done to grow the econonomy and stepped benefits that will follow as tghe plan is achieved. This will be very difficult given the years that have passed. But rejoining the EU dows not solve the problem of economic growtrh; rather the opposite - it’ll be easier for them to sell to us.

Actually, this country is well effed due to shot government. It has to be id elections are gonna be won on issues such as the boat people; mind you, that’s terrorism on a plate for you.




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By how much (in annual GBP)? Please back up your argument so that the voter can take that to the referendum booth.

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You misunderstood my statement - Brexit is the pig, successive Governments were just make-up artists and marketing executives trying to convince the Country that Sus scrofa domesticus was, in fact, very attractive, and we simply weren't wearing the appropriate rose-tinted lenses that would show it in it's full splendour...

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No matter which Government comes up with even a half workable plan, there are too many rules and too many fools that will scupper it.

We're all in the (sinking) boat together aren't we :dig:

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Probably because there's no freedom of movement anymore...

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Exactly. Either having an off day or forgotten what he'd voted for. ;)

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We voted for Brexit, little realising that the Remain camp were going to use every dirty trick in the book to make sure it all went wrong afterwards . . . :Yes:

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i voted for the side that won, and like every brexiteer that i know i'm still happy with winning,but dissapointed with the political treachery that followed,any hoo you losers can still watch your beloved eurovision pong contest:) at least you can watch them even if they don't want you.

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How did they do that? Forge BoJo's signature to allow the Boriswave of over 4 million immigrants in? :D

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Do you think BoJo failed us with his Boriswave of 4.2m migrants?

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The Remain camp that wasn't in power?


It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

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Seems to be the fashion these days to blame someone else. Back in the day, people would say they called it wrong, we all make mistakes and we'd move on. Their honesty was seen as a strength. These days it's a case of never admit you're wrong, that's seen a sign of weakness. I think the country is poorer with this approach.

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you seem to blame everything on brexit

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Can you give me an example of this?

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i'm not trawling through all that remoaner drivel

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Oh how you soon forget all the legal roadblocks and dead end delaying tactics that the 'Remain Camp' (and their perfect EU) threw at everything put forward to make Brexit work . . . after you'd lost.
Such petty childish behavior, usually seen from spoilt brats throwing tantrums. Maybe, just maybe, some of the crap deals we ended up with are your fault too :D

oh, late edit: Actually the 'Remain' camp were in power, the Gov. didn't want to leave the EU. The Brexit referendum only went ahead because they 'knew' (as supported by expert evidence and polling LOL) that not many would vote for Brexit. . . . this Gov. still aren't listening to the people either.

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Just read the reports. Here's a starting point. https://obr.uk/box/how-are-our-brexi...ns-performing/

But if you're seeking a report specifically explaining how Mr Sephiroth of Wokingham, England will be better off each month then you have set your expectations too high; one might suggest intentionally so.

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Do you know what the first thing I read in that link was?

I stopped reading after that, we can all make assumptions based on our own circumstances :PP:

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You need to continue reading and see if the assumptions are reasonable. :tu:

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No, because an 'assumption' is just a clever word for a 'guess'.

Remember all the experts making 'assumptions' that the Brexit referendum would be a sure thing . . until it wasn't? ;)

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when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

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I think the polls said a tie? A few million overseas £ got it over the line in the end though.

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Oh that brings back memories



:rofl:

I can't rep you but haha :LOL:

RIP Paul, John Ritter :)

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are you insinuating we paid the French to vote Leave? ;)

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