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denphone 11-09-2019 09:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009705)
I do, which is why I said I hope Virgin add it. However, if they are to be recognised as a super aggregator of content, which is the aim now, streaming services such as these really must be part of the VM offering.

Apple want to get this on multiple platforms to encourage people to sign up.
Well we shall see OB but l remain pretty doubtful that it will get added quickly if ever.

muppetman11 11-09-2019 13:39
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Another £4.99 I won't be paying.

pip08456 11-09-2019 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36009732)
Another £4.99 I won't be paying.
That's fair enough, it's what's known as choice.

denphone 11-09-2019 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36009732)
Another £4.99 I won't be paying.
That monthly bill is getting rather expensive don't you agree MM..

muppetman11 11-09-2019 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36009734)
That monthly bill is getting rather expensive don't you agree MM..
Exactly to get the same as I have now I'll be paying more.

jfman 11-09-2019 15:09
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What platforms are apple making it available on?

denphone 11-09-2019 15:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009744)
What platforms are apple making it available on?
https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...e-story-so-far

Quote:
Apple TV+ will be available on any device that supports the new Apple TV app. The initial list includes Apple devices (such as the iPad, iPhone, Mac, and Apple TV set-top box), select smart TVs (from Sony, Samsung, LG, and Vizio), as well as Roku and Amazon Fire TV devices.

Legendkiller2k 11-09-2019 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36009746)
Apple tv+ will be free for the first year for people with a mac, iphone or apple tv device.

Hugh 11-09-2019 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36009774)
Apple tv+ will be free for the first year for people with a mac, iphone or apple tv device.
Is that only for new purchasers?

OLD BOY 11-09-2019 19:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36009774)
Apple tv+ will be free for the first year for people with a mac, iphone or apple tv device.
What the article actually says is:

How much does Apple TV+ cost?

It'll cost just $4.99 per month for a family subscription in the US.

To encourage signups, Apple will offer anyone who buys an iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple TV one year of Apple TV+ for free. You'll be able to subscribe to and watch Apple TV+ at tv.apple.com on the web via the Safari, Chrome, or Firefox browser.


So I don't think you will get it free if you already own one of these devices. The way I read it is that if you buy an Apple device, you will be offered a free subscription.

jfman 11-09-2019 19:27
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This has to be worrying news for Amazon.

Mad Max 11-09-2019 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009778)
This has to be worrying news for Amazon.

How so? :)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36009736)
Exactly to get the same as I have now I'll be paying more.
Do you have Apple TV?

jfman 11-09-2019 19:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36009781)
How so? :)
If you had a lemonade stall and I started selling lemonade 50 yards down the road at 5/8ths of the price, do you think you'd keep the same number of customers you had yesterday?

Raider999 11-09-2019 20:05
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36009694)
Indeed the blank screen has come back.
The glorious future OB has for us.

denphone 11-09-2019 20:08
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36009789)
The glorious future OB has for us.
:D

Legendkiller2k 11-09-2019 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36009776)
Is that only for new purchasers?
Think so i got the info from cordcutters https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/appl...mber-1st-2019/

Plutotv is one to keep an eye on i think they are free and are getting quality content as of late since viacom bought them.

Mad Max 11-09-2019 20:51
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009787)
If you had a lemonade stall and I started selling lemonade 50 yards down the road at 5/8ths of the price, do you think you'd keep the same number of customers you had yesterday?

There's a huge diff' between lemonade sellers and a huge outfit like Amazon, i'm sure that they are well aware of what is happening with Apple, but I'm not so sure that they will be overly worried about it, it's competition for them, granted, but they may well have something new to offer their customers...:)

jfman 11-09-2019 21:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36009805)
There's a huge diff' between lemonade sellers and a huge outfit like Amazon, i'm sure that they are well aware of what is happening with Apple, but I'm not so sure that they will be overly worried about it, it's competition for them, granted, but they may well have something new to offer their customers...:)
Economics is economics whether you are a lemonade seller or the biggest company in the world.

I think it's quite astonishing to claim that Amazon wouldn't be concerned about Apple moving into the same market it is planning to. With the same "deep pockets", driving up the price of content and squeezing out your profits in the sub-£10 a month market.

They may well have something new, of course, but what? How much will it cost? Impacts on profits? Do customers want it? Huge questions for Amazon and Netflix here.

cupcakes aka dd 11-09-2019 23:05
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Area 12 still has no Prime App.

Chad 12-09-2019 08:22
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Britbox doomed from the start?
https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...nd-hard-place/

denphone 12-09-2019 08:32
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No surprise with that analysis Chad as perhaps some will take their rose-colored glasses off now and accept real reality rather then their own one eyed agenda.

OLD BOY 12-09-2019 10:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009787)
If you had a lemonade stall and I started selling lemonade 50 yards down the road at 5/8ths of the price, do you think you'd keep the same number of customers you had yesterday?
That is not a correct analogy. Max asked a question relating to the comment that muppetman would be paying more fot the same content he was getting now (ie if he subscribed now to the new Apple+ app).

Given that Apple+ is not actually taking any content away from elsewhere, MM is looking at this incorrectly. The true position is that he would be paying more for additional content. That was Max's point.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36009824)
No surprise with that analysis Chad as perhaps some will take their rose-colored glasses off now and accept real reality rather then their own one eyed agenda.
Maybe you should take off your blinkers and realise that ultimately the linear channels will not be there, so you will not have that expense. However, you will have a lot more choice.

Sport is a different matter, though - it is difficult to work out at the moment how that will settle down. I think that it will be those who want a range of sport (boxing, football, rugby, cricket, horse racing, wrestling (😁), darts, etc) that will end up paying more on present trends. However, if you just want the footie, this might be less as you will be paying for that and not the other sport as well as you do with Sky Sport. However, I would be surprised if discounted rates did not apply if you took a range of sports on Virgin, Sky or BT. Anything can happen there, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by cupcakes aka dd (Post 36009811)
Area 12 still has no Prime App.
Nor has area 31.

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36009820)
To my mind, this just accelerates the likelihood of all the scheduled channels attached to Britbox being closed down earlier and all the content put on there.

Britbox has to survive because that is how the major terrestrials will be disseminating their material just over a decade from now.

denphone 12-09-2019 10:39
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009831)
Maybe you should take off your blinkers and realise that ultimately the linear channels will not be there, so you will not have that expense. However, you will have a lot more choice.
Again you are obsessed with your own narrow narrative and vision of things as there is no proof of this apart from in your own vivid imagination.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009831)
To my mind, this just accelerates the likelihood of all the scheduled channels attached to Britbox being closed down earlier and all the content put on there.

Britbox has to survive because that is how the major terrestrials will be disseminating their material just over a decade from now.
Only in your opinion but not in the opinions of others...

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009831)
Britbox has to survive because that is how the major terrestrials will be disseminating their material just over a decade from now.
Britbox has to survive in your opnion because it represents your one eyed vision of the future but of course that vision is falling apart in front of your very eyes.

jfman 12-09-2019 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009831)
That is not a correct analogy. Max asked a question relating to the comment that muppetman would be paying more fot the same content he was getting now (ie if he subscribed now to the new Apple+ app).

Given that Apple+ is not actually taking any content away from elsewhere, MM is looking at this incorrectly. The true position is that he would be paying more for additional content. That was Max's point.
I made a standalone point which others responded to.

The analogy if quite correct you've just lost perspective. "New" content is a red herring. All content at creation is new, but it doesn't spawn into existence of its own accord as the universe did.

There's only one Steven Spielberg, demand for his time allows him to command a higher price. The same applies to all directors, actors, producers, and the whole entourage that goes alongside a major movie/TV series production.

So that, in and of itself, is bad news for Amazon on the cost side.

Again you've fell into the trap of assuming consumers have infinite time in which to watch television and money with which to pay for it. They don't. Which is bad news on the revenue side.

The two together: very bad news on the profit side.

OLD BOY 12-09-2019 12:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36009836)
Again you are obsessed with your own narrow narrative and vision of things as there is no proof of this apart from in your own vivid imagination.

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Only in your opinion but not in the opinions of others...

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Britbox has to survive in your opnion because it represents your one eyed vision of the future but of course that vision is falling apart in front of your very eyes.
And that's your opinion, Den, which of course you are perfectly entitled to express, even without any links to support your view.

Over a long period, I have at least provided links to support the statements I have made.. You don't have to believe any of them, though. You can choose to believe what you want to believe.

You keep talking about 'my future' as if I was engineering it. I'm not, of course, I'm simply forming my views on the basis of what I read and what the industry itself appears to be working towards.

I do understand that you are more comfortable with things as they are, but your personal preference does not determine the future.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009848)
I made a standalone point which others responded to.

The analogy if quite correct you've just lost perspective. "New" content is a red herring. All content at creation is new, but it doesn't spawn into existence of its own accord as the universe did.

There's only one Steven Spielberg, demand for his time allows him to command a higher price. The same applies to all directors, actors, producers, and the whole entourage that goes alongside a major movie/TV series production.

So that, in and of itself, is bad news for Amazon on the cost side.

Again you've fell into the trap of assuming consumers have infinite time in which to watch television and money with which to pay for it. They don't. Which is bad news on the revenue side.

The two together: very bad news on the profit side.
It looked as though you were responding to Max's statement, but OK, fair enough.

While I understand what you are saying about existing writers, directors, etc being stretched to provide all this material, you are assuming that there is no other talent out there. It is incredibly difficult for anyone with aspirations to write, direct , perform, etc in this line of business, and increased demand will create more opportunities for them.

When one thing changes, it tends to have knock-on impacts. You tend to assume that everything else will remain the same, and that's where you and I disagree on many things.

1701-e 12-09-2019 13:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009777)
What the article actually says is:

How much does Apple TV+ cost?

It'll cost just $4.99 per month for a family subscription in the US.

To encourage signups, Apple will offer anyone who buys an iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple TV one year of Apple TV+ for free. You'll be able to subscribe to and watch Apple TV+ at tv.apple.com on the web via the Safari, Chrome, or Firefox browser.


So I don't think you will get it free if you already own one of these devices. The way I read it is that if you buy an Apple device, you will be offered a free subscription.
Sure the Apple sheep will be jumping in for the 11 so they would be eligible.

jfman 12-09-2019 14:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009850)
And that's your opinion, Den, which of course you are perfectly entitled to express, even without any links to support your view.

Over a long period, I have at least provided links to support the statements I have made.. You don't have to believe any of them, though. You can choose to believe what you want to believe.

You keep talking about 'my future' as if I was engineering it. I'm not, of course, I'm simply forming my views on the basis of what I read and what the industry itself appears to be working towards.

I do understand that you are more comfortable with things as they are, but your personal preference does not determine the future.

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It looked as though you were responding to Max's statement, but OK, fair enough.

While I understand what you are saying about existing writers, directors, etc being stretched to provide all this material, you are assuming that there is no other talent out there. It is incredibly difficult for anyone with aspirations to write, direct , perform, etc in this line of business, and increased demand will create more opportunities for them.
While I'd generally welcome the increased employment opportunities it could give I won't hold my breath for increased quality given the extent television scrapes the barrel.

OLD BOY 12-09-2019 17:33
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009863)
While I'd generally welcome the increased employment opportunities it could give I won't hold my breath for increased quality given the extent television scrapes the barrel.
The streamers have already improved that quality. You won't find 'Road Wars' and the like on any of the streamers, although I expect we might expect some new ones to come up with mindless stuff especially for those who enjoy this rubbish.

jfman 12-09-2019 19:05
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009871)
The streamers have already improved that quality. You won't find 'Road Wars' and the like on any of the streamers, although I expect we might expect some new ones to come up with mindless stuff especially for those who enjoy this rubbish.
Friends accounts for 2% of all Netflix views. Your idea that it's all new, compelling and innovative is flawed.

Raider999 12-09-2019 21:43
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009787)
If you had a lemonade stall and I started selling lemonade 50 yards down the road at 5/8ths of the price, do you think you'd keep the same number of customers you had yesterday?
It depends on the relative quality of the lemonade.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36009879)
Friends accounts for 2% of all Netflix views. Your idea that it's all new, compelling and innovative is flawed.

Friends is total rubbish.

muppetman11 12-09-2019 21:48
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36009893)
Friends is total rubbish.
In your opinion of course , clearly many would disagree considering it currently scores 8.9/10 on IMDB
.

Legendkiller2k 12-09-2019 22:52
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36009895)
In your opinion of course , clearly many would disagree considering it currently scores 8.9/10 on IMDB
.
Tbf i don't much care for it either, but it's a very popular show and still gets big money for rights.

OLD BOY 13-09-2019 07:16
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36009895)
In your opinion of course , clearly many would disagree considering it currently scores 8.9/10 on IMDB
.
I was not talking about 'Friends'. I was talking about reality tv.

muppetman11 13-09-2019 10:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009906)
I was not talking about 'Friends'. I was talking about reality tv.
I didn't reply to you what you on about.

OLD BOY 13-09-2019 13:14
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36009920)
I didn't reply to you what you on about.
I didn't say you did, old chap. But your post was in response to the post that did refer to Friends.

Raider999 13-09-2019 18:15
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36009906)
I was not talking about 'Friends'. I was talking about reality tv.
My reply re Friends was from jfman's post - nothing to do with yours at all.

OLD BOY 14-09-2019 11:00
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36009950)
My reply re Friends was from jfman's post - nothing to do with yours at all.
I didn't say it was. The common link is the reference to 'Friends'.

muppetman11 14-09-2019 11:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010002)
I didn't say it was. The common link is the reference to 'Friends'.
Clearly I'm not the only one wondering what the heck you were quoting me for.:D

denphone 14-09-2019 11:48
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36010009)
Clearly I'm not the only one wondering what the heck you were quoting me for.:D
l was wondering that as well.:D

SnoopZ 14-09-2019 12:22
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Now now children.....

Hugh 14-09-2019 12:29
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Move on, nothing to see here...

Back on topic, please

oliver1948uk 14-09-2019 16:16
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''The Guardian" reckons we may have to pay £120 a month to see everything we want this time next year.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-you-afford-it

denphone 14-09-2019 16:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 36010042)
''The Guardian" reckons we may have to pay £120 a month to see everything we want this time next year.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-you-afford-it
And that does not include decent broadband....

jfman 14-09-2019 16:42
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Ouch.

denphone 14-09-2019 16:49
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010045)
Ouch.
Its alright its affordable according to some.;)

Raider999 14-09-2019 17:27
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010046)
Its alright its affordable according to some.;)
It's cheaper according to one.

Also worth bearing in mind if you have TV from 1 source it goes up £3 to 5 - if you have from 10 sources they are all likely to go up £1 or 2, thus costing you a lot more every year!

denphone 14-09-2019 17:53
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A interesting story about Netflix and Blockbuster.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...er-blockbuster

jfman 16-09-2019 12:43
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...aims-bbc-chief

The all knowing BBC, who can see the future after all, describing the ongoing challenges for established streamers to deliver value.

I quite like this quote about the forthcoming Utopia:

"This is, of course, great for audiences. Possibly.”

rosemartine 16-09-2019 12:46
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I really enjoy netflix services.I watch movie on netflix. Here is unlimited collection of Movies.I watch One or Two movie everyday.

OLD BOY 16-09-2019 12:55
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Originally Posted by rosemartine (Post 36010220)
I really enjoy netflix services.I watch movie on netflix. Here is unlimited collection of Movies.I watch One or Two movie everyday.
That's not to mention all the original series that are on there. And with two or three new programmes of worth coming out every week, this service really is second to none, and head and shoulders above Prime.

If the BBC really think they will overtake Netflix in this game, they are deluded, much as I think they will have a decent offering on iPlayer and Britbox.

pip08456 16-09-2019 13:05
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010224)
That's not to mention all the original series that are on there. And with two or three new programmes of worth coming out every week, this service really is second to none, and head and shoulders above Prime.

If the BBC really think they will overtake Netflix in this game, they are deluded, much as I think they will have a decent offering on iPlayer and Britbox.
Only for now. It will eventually go the way of Blockbuster.

vincerooney 16-09-2019 22:25
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Going forward with what OB said yes its down to personal taste but i have to agree with the view netflix is better. Straight away the ability to see everything you are subscribed to is far superior and with the various sections for different type of shows. Prime is a mess. I get told by people "have you watched that show yet..." hadn't even seen it as an option after weeks of scrolling through stuff. Every other row wanting me to buy things! I see something and go "ooh i like that" and guess what? Its not on prime its available to buy.

I get amazons approach but i'd rather just see things i've subscribed to and if i really want to watch something else...i'll find a way to buy it

Chris 16-09-2019 22:49
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Prime is hopelessly compromised by its need to provide rentals and free/inclusive material in the same place. Possibly you lot don’t notice this on your fast fibre internets but Netflix also beats Prime hands down when it comes to managing low or variable bandwidth. Netflix is highly responsive and almost bomb proof at times when Prime will just stop working altogether for five minutes (in our house anyway, where I can stream at 4Mb only when I’m home alone).

On the plus side, Prime doesn’t charge extra for UHD.

muppetman11 17-09-2019 10:35
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I'm sure someone on here said third party content isn't important to Netflix , yet here they are paying huge amounts for Seinfeld.

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2019/09/ne...iller-feature/

denphone 17-09-2019 10:53
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36010430)
I'm sure someone on here said third party content isn't important to Netflix , yet here they are paying huge amounts for Seinfeld.

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2019/09/ne...iller-feature/
Crikey purchase 10 more series like that with that kind of money and there would be more spent on that then the Premier League TV rights and a much better return and footprint into the bargain as well.

jfman 17-09-2019 13:22
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010432)
Crikey purchase 10 more series like that with that kind of money and there would be more spent on that then the Premier League TV rights and a much better return and footprint into the bargain as well.
Indeed. ;)

Horizon 17-09-2019 16:57
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36010430)
I'm sure someone on here said third party content isn't important to Netflix , yet here they are paying huge amounts for Seinfeld.

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2019/09/ne...iller-feature/
Not a surprise, but wow, a lot of money.

Clearly as Netflix itself has said, Friends and The Office were very popular shows on the streamer, so why don't they try and replicate this with their own comedies? They have some, but not many. I don't understand why Netflix forks out billions to make its own dramas whereas comedies filmed mainly in tv studios could be made cheaply and by the dozen.

Does this mean that Sony's crackle is being wound down, otherwise why sell the show to a competitor platform?

Media Boy UK 17-09-2019 16:59
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From RXTV Twitter page:

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NBCUniversal has named its forthcoming streaming service "Peacock". Expect reboots of Battlestar Galactica & Saved By The Bell and classics including Cheers, Frasier, Friday Night Lights, Will & Grace & Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Availability/exact launch date/pricing to be confirmed.
https://twitter.com/RXTVlog/status/1...rxtvlog.com%2F

muppetman11 17-09-2019 17:51
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36010462)
Shocking name but at least it will be included as part of my subscription.

jfman 17-09-2019 18:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36010461)
Not a surprise, but wow, a lot of money.

Clearly as Netflix itself has said, Friends and The Office were very popular shows on the streamer, so why don't they try and replicate this with their own comedies? They have some, but not many. I don't understand why Netflix forks out billions to make its own dramas whereas comedies filmed mainly in tv studios could be made cheaply and by the dozen.

Does this mean that Sony's crackle is being wound down, otherwise why sell the show to a competitor platform?
Established series have brand awareness that's not possible developing their own originals. Even "hits" like House of Cards nobody is going to go back and watch again.

Ironically, brand awareness is found on large mainstream platforms, not niche platforms with a few hundred thousand homes. Which means the soon to be fragmented world of streaming will struggle to achieve it.

Hugh 17-09-2019 18:30
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36010463)
Shocking name but at least it will be included as part of my subscription.
It’s their logo.

muppetman11 17-09-2019 19:24
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36010465)
It’s their logo.
I know but still a poor name for a streaming service in my opinion.

Paul 17-09-2019 19:34
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36010466)
I know but still a poor name for a streaming service in my opinion.
Yep, its definitely cringeworthy. :erm:

pip08456 17-09-2019 19:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010464)
Established series have brand awareness that's not possible developing their own originals. Even "hits" like House of Cards nobody is going to go back and watch again.

Ironically, brand awareness is found on large mainstream platforms, not niche platforms with a few hundred thousand homes. Which means the soon to be fragmented world of streaming will struggle to achieve it.
I doubt Disney+ will struggle achieving brand awareness.

denphone 17-09-2019 19:48
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010471)
I doubt Disney+ will struggle achieving brand awareness.
They have quite a armory at their disposal compared to others.

Horizon 17-09-2019 20:45
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36010462)
Comcast spend on a fortune on a company with a short catchy name which would've been perfect in the streaming world, I'm talking about Sky, then come up with this.

I'm genuinely surprised.

jfman 17-09-2019 21:12
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010471)
I doubt Disney+ will struggle achieving brand awareness.
Will their new TV series in the future? Who knows. Given a restricted viewership it's certainly going to be harder than where their content agreements presently gives them their reputation is on the biggest providers in the vast majority of countries.

OLD BOY 18-09-2019 10:18
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36010430)
I'm sure someone on here said third party content isn't important to Netflix , yet here they are paying huge amounts for Seinfeld.

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2019/09/ne...iller-feature/
I'd prefer it if they diverted that money into even more originals, frankly. Netflix doesn't need all that archive material in my view.

I appreciate that some of these old series are popular, but I think most of these will be reclaimed for different streamers.

Netflix has so much going for it, and they've developed so much 'original' material now, I think they should concentrate their efforts there.

They may not have any other choice!

denphone 18-09-2019 10:31
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010493)
I'd prefer it if they diverted that money into even more originals, frankly. Netflix doesn't need all that archive material in my view.
Why? as l am sure they would not have paid the astronomical amounts that they paid for it unless they knew it was was probably going to be one of their most watched shows in the coming years once the contract starts.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010493)
I appreciate that some of these old series are popular, but I think most of these will be reclaimed for different streamers.
What one thinks might happen invariably does not happen as thought you would have learnt that by now.;)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010493)
Netflix has so much going for it, and they've developed so much 'original' material now, I think they should concentrate their efforts there.
Having Originals does not make a streamer as having a broad and varied library of content does that.

OLD BOY 18-09-2019 10:35
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010494)
Why? as l am sure they would not have paid the astronomical amounts that they paid for it unless they knew it was was probably going to be one of their most watched shows in the coming years once the contract starts.

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What one thinks might happen invariably does not happen as thought you would have learnt that by now.;)

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Having Originals does not make a streamer as having a broad and varied library of content does that.
If the archive material is no longer available, they don't have much choice, Den.What else would you have Netflix do?

Personally, I only get Netflix for the originals.

oliver1948uk 18-09-2019 10:38
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Before retirement, many of us lived very busy lives which prevented us from watching the latest productions on TV.

Now with more spare time, I greatly enjoy what I consider to be excellently produced series that I have not previously viewed even though the picture quality may fall below modern standards. Once such series is Kavanagh QC.

Thus, some people appreciate series repeated whether on the conventional channels or on the streaming services.

denphone 18-09-2019 10:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010498)
If the archive material is no longer available, they don't have much choice, Den.What else would you have Netflix do?

Personally, I only get Netflix for the originals.
Its no good Netflix just concentrating on originals as there is still plenty of archived content Netflix will be able to lay their hands on at the right price of course.

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Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 36010499)
Before retirement, many of us lived very busy lives which prevented us from watching the latest productions on TV.

Now with more spare time, I greatly enjoy what I consider to be excellently produced series that I have not previously viewed even though the picture quality may fall below modern standards. Once such series is Kavanagh QC.

Thus, some people appreciate series repeated whether on the conventional channels or on the streaming services.
OB seems to have the attitude of one size fits all wherever one needs broad and varied content to please everybody... Just like the BBC of course...;)

1andrew1 18-09-2019 13:33
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 36010477)
Comcast spend on a fortune on a company with a short catchy name which would've been perfect in the streaming world, I'm talking about Sky, then come up with this.

I'm genuinely surprised.
Does Comcast have the rights to the name internationally though? In many territories it's licensed out to the other companies eg
https://www.tatasky.com/wps/portal
https://www.sky.co.nz/
https://www.sky.com.mx/

OLD BOY 18-09-2019 17:03
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010500)
Its no good Netflix just concentrating on originals as there is still plenty of archived content Netflix will be able to lay their hands on at the right price of course.
In which case, there won't be a problem. I was responding to the observation that archive material would in future occupy other sites.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010500)

OB seems to have the attitude of one size fits all wherever one needs broad and varied content to please everybody... Just like the BBC of course...;)
No, I don't think that. Everyone has different likes/dislikes. What I find funny is posts which say the UKTV channels and archive material are extremely popular and the next minute that Britbox will fail because there will be too much archive material on it.

Now, that is what I call contradictory!

pip08456 18-09-2019 17:12
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010478)
Will their new TV series in the future? Who knows. Given a restricted viewership it's certainly going to be harder than where their content agreements presently gives them their reputation is on the biggest providers in the vast majority of countries.
I don't think so as Disney is the brand awareness name. You however will disagree as usual.

denphone 18-09-2019 17:15
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010536)

No, I don't think that. Everyone has different likes/dislikes. What I find funny is posts which say the UKTV channels and archive material are extremely popular and the next minute that Britbox will fail because there will be too much archive material on it.

Now, that is what I call contradictory!
Britbox will fail as one its too little too late , secondly people won't pay for something they are already paying for and three it is like a Pygmy in a land of giants and will struggle to survive more then a year as it gets squashed by the significantly more powerful players.

pip08456 18-09-2019 17:24
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010539)
Britbox will fail as one its too little too late , secondly people won't pay for something they are already paying for and three it is like a Pygmy in a land of giants and will struggle to survive more then a year as it gets squashed by the significantly more powerful players.
Although I agree with OB's point I also agree that Britbox is too little too late.

jfman 18-09-2019 17:36
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010538)
I don't think so as Disney is the brand awareness name. You however will disagree as usual.
A TV series in it’s own right can have brand awareness - Friends being one. A significant portion of its viewers will be oblivious to what network first aired it in the US.

I will disagree because your point defies logic. It’s like saying people will go out and buy tape Walkmans because they had brand awareness in the 80s.

pip08456 18-09-2019 17:57
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010542)
A TV series in it’s own right can have brand awareness - Friends being one. A significant portion of its viewers will be oblivious to what network first aired it in the US.

I will disagree because your point defies logic. It’s like saying people will go out and buy tape Walkmans because they had brand awareness in the 80s.
Feel free to disagree all you want. Disney was there long before Walkmans and has continued long after,the same goes for Friends.

denphone 18-09-2019 18:01
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010546)
Feel free to disagree all you want. Disney was there long before Walkmans and has continued long after,the same goes for Friends.
Indeed Disney have been there for near on 100 years.

jfman 18-09-2019 18:01
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010546)
Feel free to disagree all you want. Disney was there long before Walkmans and has continued long after,the same goes for Friends.
That doesn’t begin even address my point. :confused:

A TV series in 2021 on a streaming platform will have much lower reach and awareness, and thus value in a back catalogue than content widely available on a range of platforms now. To dispute this disputes reality, but that’s not new in this thread!

pip08456 18-09-2019 18:05
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010551)
That doesn’t begin even address my point. :confused:

A TV series in 2021 on a streaming platform will have much lower reach and awareness, and thus value in a back catalogue than content widely available on a range of platforms now. To dispute this disputes reality, but that’s not new in this thread!
So explain to me why Marvel series pick-ups have stopped on Netflix and they will lose the back catalogue in 2yrs.

OLD BOY 18-09-2019 18:05
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36010539)
Britbox will fail as one its too little too late , secondly people won't pay for something they are already paying for and three it is like a Pygmy in a land of giants and will struggle to survive more then a year as it gets squashed by the significantly more powerful players.
Lots of assumptions there, Den. I think you must have learned by now that there is a continuing appetite for archive material and there is no sign of that abating. If BBC and ITV recall all their old stuff from Netflix and put it on Britbox, where do you think the archive lovers will go? Add to that the demise of the UKTV channels, ITV3 and ITV4, which probably is not as far away as you think, that part of the audience will have nowhere else to go.

Your prediction for Britbox will turn out to be way off beam as it will ultimately flourish and its popularity will surprise you.

jfman 18-09-2019 18:07
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010554)
So explain to me why Marvel series pick-ups have stopped on Netflix and they will lose the back catalogue in 2yrs.
Can you explain how it links to my point? :confused:

OLD BOY 18-09-2019 18:09
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010540)
Although I agree with OB's point I also agree that Britbox is too little too late.
I don't think that it is too late as timing is irrelevant. Netflix and Prime will not be established competitors in terms of old material if it transfers to Britbox. Those who subscribe for that reason will follow the material. The two leading streamers will be appealing to a different audience.

denphone 18-09-2019 18:17
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010555)
Lots of assumptions there, Den. I think you must have learned by now that there is a continuing appetite for archive material and there is no sign of that abating. If BBC and ITV recall all their old stuff from Netflix and put it on Britbox, where do you think the archive lovers will go? Add to that the demise of the UKTV channels, ITV3 and ITV4, which probably is not as far away as you think, that part of the audience will have nowhere else to go.
Another very bold statement which like many of the others does not stand up to scrutiny.

pip08456 18-09-2019 18:17
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010556)
Can you explain how it links to my point? :confused:
Marvel was an example regarding back catalogue. It's being withdrawn from netflix and elsewhere and will only be available via Disney+ once all the licenses run out.

Back catalogues willnot be available over a number of sources in the future.

denphone 18-09-2019 18:19
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010555)
Your prediction for Britbox will turn out to be way off beam as it will ultimately flourish and its popularity will surprise you.
Its not just my prediction as its the predictions of most of those who are knowledgeable experts in those markets.

pip08456 18-09-2019 18:19
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010557)
I don't think that it is too late as timing is irrelevant. Netflix and Prime will not be established competitors in terms of old material if it transfers to Britbox. Those who subscribe for that reason will follow the material. The two leading streamers will be appealing to a different audience.
OK perhaps, I'm just thinking of they future and which streamers people will be using.

I accept being wrong.

jfman 18-09-2019 18:20
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010562)
Marvel was a point regarding back catalogue. It's being withdrawn from netflix and elsewhere and will only be available via Disney+ once all the licenses run out.

Back catalogues willnot be available over a number of sources in the future.
I was talking about developing a future “back catalogue” - the value of content today in five, ten, fifteen years.

A streamer is unlikely to develop series with a huge global following like Friends due to reduced reach.

pip08456 18-09-2019 18:25
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010565)
I was talking about developing a future “back catalogue” - the value of content today in five, ten, fifteen years.

A streamer is unlikely to develop series with a huge global following like Friends due to reduced reach.
You are assuming the younger generation not embracing streaming as their "go to" entertainment media as well as the current withdrawal of Friends from a current streamer.

Who do you think will be showing the Friends back catalogue in 3yrs time?

jfman 18-09-2019 18:27
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010568)
You are assuming the younger generation not embracing streaming as their "go to" entertainment media as well as the current withdrawal of Friends from a current streamer.

Who do you think will be showing the Friends back catalogue in 3yrs time?
I’m not talking about Friends as a back catalogue. I’m talking about the new content on streamers now in years to come. None of it will have the reach/value as older content that was mainstream on network channels in the USA.

pip08456 18-09-2019 18:34
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010573)
I’m not talking about Friends as a back catalogue. I’m talking about the new content on streamers now in years to come. None of it will have the reach/value as older content that was mainstream on network channels in the USA.
Really, mainstream will become streaming content, available at the same time worldwide. The reach will be larger fuelled by social media.

2 things I know won't have a back catalogue. I-Land and Another Life both Netflix Original failures.

oliver1948uk 18-09-2019 18:36
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The reason that people will resent paying for Britbox is that it it seems likely that most of its content is available on free to air channels or on channels in a package with a low subscription or on iPlayer

jfman 18-09-2019 18:39
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010582)
Really, mainstream will become streaming content, available at the same time worldwide. The reach will be larger fuelled by social media.

2 things I know won't have a back catalogue. I-Land and Another Life both Netflix Original failures.
The technology will become mainstream, the providers will not if (as expected) the market splits into six, eight, ten providers of more with a few hundred thousand to a few million subscribers each in the UK.

The same will apply at a bigger level across Europe/USA.

pip08456 18-09-2019 18:39
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Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 36010584)
The reason that people will resent paying for Britbox is that it it seems likely that most of its content is available on free to air channels or on channels in a package with a low subscription or on iPlayer
Yes in this country.

OLD BOY 18-09-2019 19:32
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36010564)
OK perhaps, I'm just thinking of they future and which streamers people will be using.

I accept being wrong.
We could all be wrong about the future. I would never have dreamed ten years ago that I would have been streaming TV in this way. The whole concept would have eluded me.

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Its not just my prediction as its the predictions of most of those who are knowledgeable experts in those markets.
Really? Experts like who? I don't think cash-strapped ITV and the BBC would be doing this if they didn't believe it would be a success.

Of course, there will be those in the industry, such as Sky, who will not want it to succeed and will talk it down.

denphone 18-09-2019 19:33
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36010611)
We could all be wrong about the future. I would never have dreamed ten years ago that I would have been streaming TV in this way. The whole concept would have eluded me.
Given how much you espouse streaming as the be all and end all of your viewing its rather strange that you are still a Virgin Media customer.

OLD BOY 18-09-2019 19:38
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Originally Posted by oliver1948uk (Post 36010584)
The reason that people will resent paying for Britbox is that it it seems likely that most of its content is available on free to air channels or on channels in a package with a low subscription or on iPlayer
But there will be much more archive content available on Britbox, from both BBC and ITV. And don't expect those free-to-air channels to be available for much longer, either.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36010573)
I’m not talking about Friends as a back catalogue. I’m talking about the new content on streamers now in years to come. None of it will have the reach/value as older content that was mainstream on network channels in the USA.
Material such as 'Breaking Bad' and 'The Crown' are examples of popular archive material in the future.

jfman 18-09-2019 19:42
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We will see if they stand the test of time in the same way. I'm going to say "no".


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