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jfman 30-09-2023 18:59
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161002)
I can’t find anything that supports that statement.

According to BARB, the News channels August 2023 viewing figures are as follows

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...….9,540….14.96……………………1.03…………..1:35
Sky News…………………..8,632…..12.69…………………..0.81……………1.10
GB News…………………….2,786….…4.37……………………0.62……………0.50

July 2023

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...…10,262….16.09……………………1.05…………..1:30
Sky News…………………..8,089....13.54…….……………..0.80……………1.1 4
GB News…………………….3,195….….4.96……………………0.65..…………1.00

They show GB News to be watched less than BBC News and Sky News (and don’t take into account that most people watch prime time BBC News programmes (at 1pm, 6pm, and 10pm) on BBC1, which is simulcast with BBC News at those times. For instance, the 6pm News on BBC1 on Tuesday 12th September was watched by 3.5 million viewers, and on the Monday and Wednesday of that week, by 3.36 million viewers.

I don’t believe any GB News programme has reached those figures.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ed-programmes/
It’s somewhat ironic that the defence of GB News and generally sticking up for it requires the, presumably wilful, ignorance of facts.

Pierre 30-09-2023 19:10
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160992)
The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman
Of course it isn’t.

Fox overstepped the line, it was odious and Misogynistic. Anyone that tries to defend him or Wooton is an imbecile.

All of that said. None of what I have said above in anyway means the channel should be shut down.

(It also wasn’t a “news broadcast” is was an opinion show.)

And that the BBC had Adam Boulton and some Tory MP on saying that it should be shut down is telling.

I don’t like Fox, never seen Wooton to form an opinion, but I do like to watch GB News Breakfast, Headliners & Free speech nation.

Just because some renta-gob mouths off doesn’t mean a channel should be cancelled, I can understand the whataboutism but it’s not necessary, if GB news was to be shut down by the government……I’m not sure that’s the kind of thing a western democratic government should be considering.

No laws broken, broadcasting standards may have been breached which can be addressed but the ultimate arbiter is the viewer, and GB news has healthy viewing figures.

ianch99 30-09-2023 19:23
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160976)
And the pathetic Channel 4, Guardian are hard left Labour pieces & nut jobs. Do you actually have a point Ian, or do you just enjoy chatting lefty shitty soundbites as usual? :zzz:
Yes, I had a point as you well know. A TV "News" channel having multiple members of the current Government having shows where they push the Government spin together with cosy chats where they "interview" each other, give me a break!

The channel is a parody of credibility. It may suit your world view but don't for one minute claim it is an objective News channel.

jfman 30-09-2023 19:30
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161005)
Of course it isn’t.

Fox overstepped the line, it was odious and Misogynistic. Anyone that tries to defend him or Wooton is an imbecile.

All of that said. None of what I have said above in anyway means the channel should be shut down.

(It also wasn’t a “news broadcast” is was an opinion show.)

And that the BBC had Adam Boulton and some Tory MP on saying that it should be shut down is telling.

I don’t like Fox, never seen Wooton to form an opinion, but I do like to watch GB News Breakfast, Headliners & Free speech nation.

Just because some renta-gob mouths off does mean a channel should be cancelled, I can understand the whataboutism but it’s not necessary, if GB news was to be should down by the government……I’m not sure that’s the kind of thing a western democratic government should be considering.

No laws broken, broadcasting standards may have been breached which can be addressed but the ultimate arbiter is the viewer, and GB news has healthy viewing figures.
An opinion based programme or discussion programme on a news channel is clearly a news broadcast. It could hardly be described as comedy.

Ofcom are the ultimate arbiter on whether broadcasting standards have been breached. GB News - as their employer - similarly have a role in determining whether Fox or Wooton have breached the reasonable standards they expect. The latter has acted decisively, and that is to be welcomed.

The fact viewers watch is neither here nor there.

1andrew1 30-09-2023 19:51
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160985)

Well, you didn’t. You said ‘an independent media’ - different things. What you also didn’t say was ‘…an independent media (as in not the BBC) …’ .

But you were clearly pointing at journalists, so I understand your point, at least in respect of Fox. But if the lefties would have their way, there’d be no voice for, e.e. Farage. That’s not democratic.
I said both, thereby confusing matters!

I mean independent of the government which GB News cannot be with its MP presenters. It's healthy to have other broadcasters than the BBC which can be swayed less by government.

In terms of balance, outside the more tightly-regulated PSBs, you have the centre right Sky News then two right-wing channels: Talk TV and GB News. If GB News went out of business, I'm confident that Talk TV would employ Farage asap.

In terms of that broadcasting landscape, there are no equivalent channels on the left at the moment. So you could argue that it's undemocratic that the likes of Jeremy Corbyn are being kept off our screens.

TheDaddy 30-09-2023 19:58
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160997)

Wrong. Hiding a nonce should have seen the end off the BBC or the law requiring a license to watch TV.

If it’s ‘whataboutery’ then so be it.
Get rid of them too :shrug:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36161002)
I can’t find anything that supports that statement.

According to BARB, the News channels August 2023 viewing figures are as follows

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...….9,540….14.96……………………1.03…………..1:35
Sky News…………………..8,632…..12.69…………………..0.81……………1.10
GB News…………………….2,786….…4.37……………………0.62……………0.50

July 2023

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...…10,262….16.09……………………1.05…………..1:30
Sky News…………………..8,089....13.54…….……………..0.80……………1.14
GB News…………………….3,195….….4.96……………………0.65..…………1.00

They show GB News to be watched less than BBC News and Sky News (and don’t take into account that most people watch prime time BBC News programmes (at 1pm, 6pm, and 10pm) on BBC1, which is simulcast with BBC News at those times. For instance, the 6pm News on BBC1 on Tuesday 12th September was watched by 3.5 million viewers, and on the Monday and Wednesday of that week, by 3.36 million viewers.

I don’t believe any GB News programme has reached those figures.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ed-programmes/
Not sure any of them have much to crow about tbh


Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161005)
if GB news was to be should down by the government……I’m not sure that’s the kind of thing a western democratic government should be considering.
Where as a government propaganda channel and cosy chats with allies reeks of something democratic countries should be doing

Pierre 30-09-2023 20:11
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161007)
An opinion based programme or discussion programme on a news channel is clearly a news broadcast. It could hardly be described as comedy.

Ofcom are the ultimate arbiter on whether broadcasting standards have been breached. GB News - as their employer - similarly have a role in determining whether Fox or Wooton have breached the reasonable standards they expect. The latter has acted decisively, and that is to be welcomed.

The fact viewers watch is neither here nor there.
The only question is should GB News be taken off air and shut down because of what Fox said?

If you think the answer is yes, then my friend Vladimir has a job for you.

jfman 30-09-2023 20:20
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161011)
The only question is should GB News be taken off air and shut down because of what Fox said?

If you think the answer is yes, then my friend Vladimir has a job for you.
If they cannot adhere to broadcasting standards then they absolutely should.

I suspect however they will behave better in future. Their swift intervention will likely ensure they get a fine and reprimand.

1andrew1 30-09-2023 20:23
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161011)
The only question is should GB News be taken off air and shut down because of what Fox said?

If you think the answer is yes, then my friend Vladimir has a job for you.
There's more than one debating about GB News and I've not seen anyone on this thread state it should be shut down.

Chris outlined a couple of debating points on GB News:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160996)
Laurence Fox’s behaviour was objectively wrong. Dan Wooton’s behaviour was objectively wrong. A news programme employing a card-carrying, office-holding member of the Conservative Party to interview a Conservative government minister is objectively wrong. Nothing the BBC has ever done makes it right.
We know you have condemned Fox's and Wooton's behaviour. But what about the office-holding member of the Conservative Party interviewing a Conservative government minister on a news programme. Do you condemn that too?

Pierre 30-09-2023 20:32
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161013)
If they cannot adhere to broadcasting standards then they absolutely should.
authoritarianism doesn’t become you.

---------- Post added at 20:32 ---------- Previous post was at 20:29 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36161014)
There's more than one debating about GB News and I've not seen anyone on this thread state it should be shut down
I was referring to Adam Boulton and the Tory MP on newsnight saying exactly that. He was on Talk TV too saying the same thing.

jfman 30-09-2023 20:58
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161015)
authoritarianism doesn’t become you.
We can’t have a wholly unregulated news industry. Indeed we don’t, since RT is already banned.

If Fox and Wooton want to peddle a right wing comedy show then they’re more than welcome to outside the news section of programme guides.

Mr K 30-09-2023 21:13
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
They really need to diversify their output. They all seem so angry which can' t do the elderly audiences BP much good.

How about "Celebrity darts with dancing on ice, in the jungle , talent show,? Presented by Nige of course. The audiences and advertisers would flood back.

jfman 30-09-2023 21:21
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36161021)
They really need to diversify their output. They all seem so angry which can' t do the elderly audiences BP much good.

How about "Celebrity darts with dancing on ice, in the jungle , talent show,? Presented by Nige of course. The audiences and advertisers would flood back.
Wouldn’t topless darts be more apt given the amount of tits they have on air already?

Russ 30-09-2023 21:24
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36161006)
Yes, I had a point as you well know. A TV "News" channel having multiple members of the current Government having shows where they push the Government spin together with cosy chats where they "interview" each other, give me a break!

The channel is a parody of credibility. It may suit your world view but don't for one minute claim it is an objective News channel.
:clap:

Damien 30-09-2023 21:31
Re: GB News / Talk TV
 
You need to have a high bar to ban a TV channel IMO. GB News will skirt it occasionally but they're not close to being shut down.

The fact they suspended them probably helps them with Ofcom as well. They sort of invite this needlessly though by continuing to try and push the envelope and wind people up, they want to upset people but sometimes they go too far.

Not sure how they get away with the government interviewing other members of the government though.


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