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Government authorises spending on contingency planning for UK to hold European elections.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...votes-live-new

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There will be an awful lot of anger remaining if the electorate's decision has not been carried out (which includes a 'soft' Brexit, which is not Brexit at all, of course).

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I wouldn't read anything into that, except that the necessary preparations have to be made in case the worst happens. I am still clinging to the hope that the politicians will at last remember the manifestos they stood on.

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The electorate's decision was not for a hard or soft Brexit. It was just for Brexit so there's no of course. For every Leave supporter who feels like you do, there's probably at least one who doesn't.

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Several Tory MP's already very unhappy.

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We just voted to leave. A soft Brexit is not that at all. The problem is that if you dilute a straight Brexit, you lose some of its benefits. Those who complain that we would be worse off if we leave the EU are trying to make this the case by trying to keep us in the customs union, in which case we cannot negotiate our own trade deals. That was one of the major incentives to leave, along with controlling our borders and regaining our sovereignty. These advantages were clearly stated by the Leave campaigners.

By keeping us in the customs union we would be worse off than we are now, with no control over the legislation and tariffs that would still apply to us. It's a crazy, misguided idea.

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A soft Brexit meets the definition of leave. Even ardent Brexiteers held up Norway as a possible future model. It’s a misrepresentation of reality to say otherwise.

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Exactly. The fact that it's got Brexit in the title indicates that it's a form of Brexit.

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The defence minister Tobias Ellwood told Channel 4 News he thought MPs were coalescing around a customs union. “I think that’s where we are heading towards,” he said. When it was put to him that this would go against the Conservative party manifesto, he said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...votes-live-new

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Sam Coates of The Times.

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I have just deleted a ton of tiresome old arguments/posts that quite frankly I am sick of reading again and again and again.

What was on the ballot paper is an old tiresome argument.

What people were voting for in 2016 Referendum, is a tiresome old argument.

and finally I do not want to see ever, other members insulting other members or calling them names, this is not acceptable under any circumstances.

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Indicative Vote Results due Imminently.

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All indicative options voted down.

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The results are in - All options fail again

Motion C: Ken Clarke's Customs Union

Ayes - 273

Noes - 276

Motion D - Nick Boles' Common Market 2.0

Ayes - 261

Noes 282

Motion E - Peter Kyle's people's vote

Ayes - 280

Noes - 292

Motion G - Joanna Cherry's revocation

Ayes - 191

Noes - 292

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No deal back on the table as the default option.

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So one expects the PM to bring it back to the Commons for a 4th time and lose again.

Nick Boles has resigned the Conservative whip.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...votes-live-new

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Nick Boles told commons he can no long sit as a conservative