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heero_yuy 09-11-2016 16:10
Re: US Election 2016
 
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35868771)
Talking of Obama. Does this mean he's gone down as the worst President?

https://youtu.be/XvgnOqcCYCM

Out the horses mouth :confused:
Here's one list:

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The time period was also taken into account (Franklin Pierce supported slavery, that makes him much worse on a moral level by our standards today than Jimmy Carter, who is ranked as “worse” than him). We looked at the morality/practicality of the Presidents’ positions through the national zeitgeist at the time in question. However, this does not mean that we can’t judge the long term consequences of their choices, as we do below.

Worst:
10. Warren G Harding
9. Richard Nixon
8. Lyndon B. Johnson
7. Ulysses S. Grant
6. Franklin Pierce
5. Jimmy Carter
4. Barack Obama
3. Woodrow Wilson
2.Andrew Jackson
1. James Buchanan
Best and worst plus reasons.

Julian 09-11-2016 16:27
Re: US Election 2016
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35868764)
Similar things were being said about Reagan when he was first elected:



Source

Didn't come to pass then either. Any plans he has have to be ratified by Congress and the Senate. They tend to have a moderating effect as Obama found out.
No, no that can't be.

It's the end of the world, we need divine intervention, no one is safe etc etc etc etc ad nauseum...... :rolleyes:

martyh 09-11-2016 16:36
Re: US Election 2016
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35868710)
Ah. Are you worried he might try to ... Er ... grab her majesty? :erm:[COLOR="Silver"]

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Well you know Trump can't help kissing beautiful




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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35868735)
Have to hand it to Mick, he obviously knows the US very well. Don't think I realised how much Clinton was hated. If only Sanders had got the ticket then who knows ?

As for the outcome, God help us, and i don't even believe in God, but he's worth a shot !
I think what's happening is that the electorate everywhere are fed up of the usual politics and politicians and they are taking every opportunity to vent their frustration and damn the consequences.

Aren't there some big elections in France and Germany next year :erm:

RizzyKing 09-11-2016 16:38
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Trump won for pretty much the same reason brexit won the majority of people are fed up with the establishment and the political process that never seems to work for them but only for the richer people. It is ironic in this case that a billionaire was chosen to express that dissatisfaction but most viewed him as outside the establishment but would have the knowledge to make the system better for the majority. Whether that is how it will work only time will tell, i would say he was helped a lot by gun owners they were the only consistent group throughout this election from day one they supported trump and despised clinton convinced that if she got in more bans and restrictions would quickly follow 70 million gun owners are not a good thing to alienate.

Only heard a couple of clinton supporters talking so far but was struck by the rhetoric being used to describe those who voted for trump very similar almost exact terminology that was used to describe brexit voters. Never paid much attention to all these NWO nutjobs out there but given how the same group acts when they lose maybe there is a global movement lol.

Wonder how worried merkel is about next year with the way things are going :erm:.

martyh 09-11-2016 16:39
Re: US Election 2016
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35868764)
Similar things were being said about Reagan when he was first elected:



Source

Didn't come to pass then either. Any plans he has have to be ratified by Congress and the Senate. They tend to have a moderating effect as Obama found out.
Oh i don't know wasn't the only thing that stopped Star Wars and the resulting armageddon the limitations on technology at the time .

RizzyKing 09-11-2016 16:45
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Listen to the tinfoil brigade Marty and star wars delivered more then it was meant too and is affecting us all everyday lol.

Damien 09-11-2016 16:51
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I think the connections between Trump and Reagan are very tenuous. They seem to be simply they were both entertainers before President but Reagan was also a governor, had already been active in politics and Trump is largely being judged by his own words. As far as Republicanism goes they're very different, almost opposites.

Trump doesn't appear to be a standard conservative to me.

We'll have to see what he is like now. We don't know too much of what he would do. How much he was playing to base and what, if anything, he really believes. He doesn't appear to be going into the job with a clear sense of purpose or an agenda.

RichardCoulter 09-11-2016 17:16
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Muslims living in Britain have been contacting an agony aunt saying that they are worried following the election of Trump :confused:

RizzyKing 09-11-2016 17:47
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Sadly there are no shortage of victims in the UK and elsewhere who take any chance to be a victim, unless they were planning to emigrate to the US that might be a bit harder soon.

martyh 09-11-2016 17:57
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Canada's immigration website has crashed as Americans watched Donald Trump take the lead and then win the US election.

Searches for "move to Canada" and "immigrate to Canada" spiked on Tuesday night as election returns started favouring the Republican nominee.

The website for Citizenship and Immigration Canada was down at the same time, and has suffered several outages since.
http://news.sky.com/story/canada-imm...ctory-10650893

Don't know whether to believe this or not

Damien 09-11-2016 18:28
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Pretty classy speeches from Obama and Clinton (and Trump last night). We were worried about a breakdown in the transfer of power so good to see people attempting a smooth transition.

Hom3r 09-11-2016 18:36
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This is just a though and not what I wish or hope.

He's dropping Obamacare within an hour of entering office, so if any Republicans suffer from no health care to thing tough poop.

He's also is ending gun free zone, so what would the irony be if a anti trump person shot him in a former.

Oh yeah, to the 60% of women who vote don't plan on having an abortion, as Trump is anti abortion.

As the saying goes "Reap what you Sow".

Mick 09-11-2016 20:58
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Thank you Damien and others, for a thoroughly enjoyable discussion on the US Election 2016. Got heated at times but that's what makes it interesting when people support the opposing side of the campaigns.

I stuck to my judgement that Trump would win the Presidency and I stuck to my view despite it being the minority view.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35868816)
This is just a though and not what I wish or hope.

He's dropping Obamacare within an hour of entering office, so if any Republicans suffer from no health care to thing tough poop.
I don't think you understand what Obamacare is, I did post a reply to what it was pages back. He wants to repeal it and replace it with cheaper health care, nothing wrong with that policy as it has got very expensive since it's inception. I don't think you would like it if you suddenly had to find £800 extra a month, this is what many Americans are having to contend with at the moment as they receive their new bills for $900+ extra on top of what they paid before.

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He's also is ending gun free zone, so what would the irony be if a anti trump person shot him in a former.
Gun free zone? There is no such thing. The 2nd Amendment has existed and majority of the American people cherish it. He is Pro NRA supporter, so he will not be changing anything in regards to it. Hillary wanted to bring in controls to it and ban certain guns, like automatic rifles and rapid fire guns. I actually agreed with Clintons stance, nobody needs to own a stockpile of ammunition or require guns that would do a small Army.

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Oh yeah, to the 60% of women who vote don't plan on having an abortion, as Trump is anti abortion.
Abortion issue he had was that he disagreed with women having abortions right up to the moment the baby was born except if there was a risk to the mother. He is not completely against ALL Abortions, despite changing his stance 3 times on the issue. He was saying in a tv interview that he felt women should be punished for having abortions, but has gone back on that and appears to support a 20 week limit. Over here there is the 24 week limit and then abortion is no longer a legal option unless there is a health risk to the mother.

adzii_nufc 09-11-2016 21:10
Re: US Election 2016
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868853)
Thank you Damien and others, for a thoroughly enjoyable discussion on the US Election 2016. Got heated at times but that's what makes it interesting when people support the opposing side of the campaigns.

I stuck to my judgement that Trump would win the Presidency and I stuck to my view despite it being the minority view.



I don't think you understand what Obamacare is, I did post a reply to what it was pages back. He wants to repeal it and replace it with cheaper health care, nothing wrong with that policy as it has got very expensive since it's inception. I don't think you would like it if you suddenly had to find £800 extra a month, this is what many Americans are having to contend with at the moment as they receive their new bills for $900+ extra on top of what they paid before.



Gun free zone? There is no such thing. The 2nd Amendment has existed and majority of the American people cherish it. He is Pro NRA supporter, so he will not be changing anything in regards to it. Hillary wanted to bring in controls to it and ban certain guns, like automatic rifles and rapid fire guns. I actually agreed with Clintons stance, nobody needs to own a stockpile of ammunition or require guns that would do a small Army.



Abortion issue he had was that he disagreed with women having abortions right up to the moment the baby was born except if there was a risk to the mother. He is not completely against ALL Abortions, despite changing his stance 3 times on the issue. He was saying in a tv interview that he felt women should be punished for having abortions, but has gone back on that and appears to support a 20 week limit. Over here there is the 24 week limit and then abortion is no longer a legal option unless there is a health risk to the mother.
Great post. There seems to be a myth that Obamacare is somewhat comparable to the NHS. I was also under the impression that Republicans voted against it and it would be likely a republican candidate would be anti-obamacare.

TheDaddy 09-11-2016 21:43
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868853)
Thank you Damien and others, for a thoroughly enjoyable discussion on the US Election 2016. Got heated at times but that's what makes it interesting when people support the opposing side of the campaigns.

I stuck to my judgement that Trump would win the Presidency and I stuck to my view despite it being the minority view.



I don't think you understand what Obamacare is, I did post a reply to what it was pages back. He wants to repeal it and replace it with cheaper health care, nothing wrong with that policy as it has got very expensive since it's inception. I don't think you would like it if you suddenly had to find £800 extra a month, this is what many Americans are having to contend with at the moment as they receive their new bills for $900+ extra on top of what they paid before.



Gun free zone? There is no such thing. The 2nd Amendment has existed and majority of the American people cherish it. He is Pro NRA supporter, so he will not be changing anything in regards to it. Hillary wanted to bring in controls to it and ban certain guns, like automatic rifles and rapid fire guns. I actually agreed with Clintons stance, nobody needs to own a stockpile of ammunition or require guns that would do a small Army.



Abortion issue he had was that he disagreed with women having abortions right up to the moment the baby was born except if there was a risk to the mother. He is not completely against ALL Abortions, despite changing his stance 3 times on the issue. He was saying in a tv interview that he felt women should be punished for having abortions, but has gone back on that and appears to support a 20 week limit. Over here there is the 24 week limit and then abortion is no longer a legal option unless there is a health risk to the mother.
Iirc the gun free zone is in and around schools.

I said and knew he'd win also, there is a world wide movement of ordinary people that have seen the standard of living drop consistently since the start of the millenia whilst the people at the top get richer at their expense, any flavour of politician elected has only maintained the status quo so it shouldn't come as a surprise that the people turn to someone else. The next election to reflect this imo will be the Italian referendum


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