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Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Turkey and European leaders have struck a deal to try to control the flow of migrants to Europe.

Turkey will receive €3bn (£2.1bn) and political concessions in return for clamping down on its borders and keeping refugees in the country.

Talks on Turkey's accession to the European Union will also be revived.

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said it was a "historic day" in Turkey's relations with the EU.

Under the deal, Turkish citizens may be able to travel without visas in Europe's Schengen zone, which allows free movement between many European countries, by October 2016.

However, the rules will be relaxed only if Turkey meets certain conditions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34957830

Yes and I'm sure those rules will be as robust as the EU's borders are. Turkey within the EU will just open us up to a vast amount more uncontrollable migration not less.

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I think that ANY migrant that enters this country - should abide by the laws of this country, and NOT rely on the benefits of UKFree.

Yes, they may not have money, and they may be homeless.

But, l believe that this country, should and foremost look after its own before anyone else

We are now being flooded on TV with adverts for foreign aid, and look after refugees.

I have yet to see an advert for the homeless in the UK

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35810720)

I have yet to see an advert for the homeless in the UK

Sally army Christmas appeal each year. ;)

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You never know, maybe Geldof and his chums will offer their comfy spare homes to some destitute services personnel if they haven't already managed to fill them with migrants.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35810747)

You never know, maybe Geldof and his chums will offer their comfy spare homes to some destitute services personnel if they haven't already managed to fill them with migrants.

The destitute services personnel that already have housing priority?

however in the very worst instance they, might not need to if Arthur makes good on his promise...... I wonder how that's coming on?

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That 'priority' clearly doesn't prevent so many of them winding up sleeping rough does it. Physically fit younger males don't tend to get elevated to the top of many 'priority' lists. Maybe what's on offer to them either isn't sufficiently well communicated or maybe they feel they're better off sleeping rough than in a hostel. Quite probably there are people who're above them in the list of 'priority' cases - e.g. elderly, women, disabled. There are only so many places available after all. In any event my point was about those who publicly offer charity to people from around the globe whilst apparently overlooking the needy closer to home.

I'd be a bit happier about allowing hundreds of thousands of people into the UK every year if we were managing to look after those who are already here and had the services to cope with the influx. We clearly don't and can't keep up.

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35810773)

That 'priority' clearly doesn't prevent so many of them winding up sleeping rough does it. Physically fit younger males don't tend to get elevated to the top of many 'priority' lists. Maybe what's on offer to them either isn't sufficiently well communicated or maybe they feel they're better off sleeping rough than in a hostel. Quite probably there are people who're above them in the list of 'priority' cases - e.g. elderly, women, disabled. There are only so many places available after all. In any event my point was about those who publicly offer charity to people from around the globe whilst apparently overlooking the needy closer to home.

I'd be a bit happier about allowing hundreds of thousands of people into the UK every year if we were managing to look after those who are already here and had the services to cope with the influx. We clearly don't and can't keep up.

Yes they do , ex-forces take the highest priority over anyone else

source: someone who used to work directly with a london borough council on housing benefit. now working nationally on housing benefit for multiple LGO's.

There are also areas (Middlesbrough is one) where there are many more empty properties than there are homeless.

Whilst I'll grant you communication could probably be improved the information is all readily available on the internet and from places such as Citizens Advice you just have to look.

Perhaps the stress on services such as the NHS could be reduced by people not running to the Dr. every time they have a cold/sore throat/sniffle. In secondary care A&E the amount of ****heads who cant control themselves

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That's not how I read this:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/ho...heir-families/

You're telling me any single male ex services member would get priority over a refugee family with young children or indeed a single woman with a child? Can't see that.

I'd agree about the misuse of the NHS etc. but dealing with uncontrolled migration and reforming the NHS aren't mutually exclusive and dealing with the latter would help a great deal since so many refugees/migrants are in greater need of services such as the NHS for various reasons.

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Ex Armed Forces do not get automatic priority over anyone else who is homeless. Each case is now decided on "need" as opposed to the old "points" system (which did not give points for having served your country).

A lot of "advice" is there for ex service members, but it doesn't get a guaranteed roof over your head, it just points you to councils who are obliged to act. Councils are obliged to offer accomodation to any homeless person or family, but that might mean a hostel or B&B. And it is rarely totally free.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35810814)

What I thought. So being ex-services is a guarantee of nothing if you happen to be homeless and there are others (including migrants) who're deemed a higher priority for whatever reason. I'm not questioning the need as much as I'm questioning any policy which puts people who've contributed nothing to our country ahead of those who have. Lot's of people made a lot of noise about housing refugees when we have plenty of our own needy who're at the bottom of the list through no fault of their own. How about sorting them out first?

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35810820)

:clap::clap::clap:

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So the EU is to give a lump sum to Turkey to "slow the flow"... but worrying to the extreme is that they have agreed to push Turkey's membership off the EU further down the process.

If you think the migration from the Eastern parts of the EU caused problems, you ain't seen nothing yet when Turkey join..... and it'll be a muslim tide.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35810836)

If you think the migration from the Eastern parts of the EU caused problems, you ain't seen nothing yet when Turkey join..... and it'll be a muslim tide.

As Germany is finding.
Can anyone verify the authenticity of this email that's doing the rounds? 'cos if it's a true account it is very scary

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Making the rounds via e-mail because the German media is not reporting this:

A FEMALE PHYSICIAN IN MUNICH, GERMANY SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD . . .

Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at
the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies,
so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing
to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff
and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to
the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in
Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the
pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable
outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the
children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So
the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large
pharmacies.

Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of TV
cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border has been
closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be
able to get rid of them.

Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be
at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare
minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not
work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of
them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and
neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to
the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double
the salary than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see
the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meets
young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want
everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it
will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature cannot
handle this, there in Czechia it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come
in contact with them has no idea what kind of animals they are, especially the
ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their
religious accommodation.

For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they
brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a
question of time.

In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they
had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which they had dragged
across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite
having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The
physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody
has been punished.

The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it through
email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and
nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a
nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he’d go straight
to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train
stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking forward
to more trains and their next batch of cash from acting like greeters at the
stations. If it were up to me I would round up all these greeters and bring them
here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one
building with the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without
armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here in
Bavaria, and without medical help.

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http://www.snopes.com/female-physician-munich/

And if it's not true, it's just a scaremongering bunch of lies made up to foment fear and loathing.

Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35810852)

http://www.snopes.com/female-physician-munich/

And if it's not true, it's just a scaremongering bunch of lies made up to foment fear and loathing.

Putting a fragment of the above into Google reveal some pretty unsavory hits on the first page of results:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ev...QAw&gws_rd=ssl

I think the BNP at number 5 and the Tea Party has put their own unique spin on it reporting it to its readers as "news":

http://www.teaparty.org/doctors-horr...htmare-124056/

I could not help but love the Tea Party mission statement:

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Our mission is to bring awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, The United States of America