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ianch99 29-10-2018 21:21
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968543)
Nothing to stop you opening one if you feel strongly enough about it, that would be a much better option than trying to deflect attention away from a discussion regarding the prevelance of child sex abuse cases by Asian gangs at the moment.

Any group of communities who are indulging in paedophilic activities is worthy of attention and discussion, be it based on ethnicity, religion, sport etc.
You are correct, the actions of this part of our society warrants serious debate .. as does the issue of paedophile priests.

Let me ask this: how many priests have gone to jail and how many mugshots of white Catholic men do you see in the media?

While we are here, do you think using the specific term "Asians" is warranted? The term describes a rather large part of the world:

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Hugh 29-10-2018 21:30
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968543)
Nothing to stop you opening one if you feel strongly enough about it, that would be a much better option than trying to deflect attention away from a discussion regarding the prevelance of child sex abuse cases by Asian gangs at the moment.

Any group of communities who are indulging in paedophilic activities is worthy of attention and discussion, be it based on ethnicity, religion, sport etc.
On that note, it would appear that the vast majority of grooming gangs were Asian (around 75%), and those who operated paedophilia rings were all White.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8101941.html
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Mr Rafiq told Sky News: “I’m from the heart of where one of the biggest high-profile cases has happened over the last few years, and I’m saying it’s very important that we do talk about it because the problem won’t go away.

“We didn’t want there to be a pattern of people from our ethnic demographic carrying out these attacks. But unfortunately we were proven wrong.”

“British white men they tend to work individually. They tend to work online where they groom and they are the majority of perpetrators.

“When it comes to Asian men or Pakistani men they tend to do it in groups.”

The National Crime Agency’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP) identifies two types of group-based child abuse.

It says in “Type 1” offenders work in groups such as grooming gangs to target victims based on vulnerability, while “Type 2” offenders form paedophile rings to carry out abuse because of a specific sexual interest in children.

CEOP research published in 2012 states 85 per cent of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in 2011 were white.

Another CEOP study released the following year found 75 per cent of offenders in grooming-gang cases were from Asian backgrounds, while 100 per cent in paedophile rings were white.

Pierre 29-10-2018 22:09
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35968547)
On that note, it would appear that the vast majority of grooming gangs were Asian (around 75%), and those who operated paedophilia rings were all White.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8101941.html
I hesitated to post results from that study earlier as it was at least 6 years old and many, if not all, the Asian lead grooming and rape gangs hadn’t come to light then.

Which makes the findings in the report impotent to say the say the least.

nomadking 29-10-2018 22:32
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No point in trying to use statistics because although in the newest Rotherham case, seven were convicted, -
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One of the victims told a trial at Sheffield Crown Court how she had sex with 'at least 100 Asian men' by the time she was 16.
There are THOUSANDS of other Muslim men who are avoiding prosecution and are not in any figures. About time they were included in order to get a sense of the TRUE picture.

RichardCoulter 29-10-2018 23:02
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35968545)
You are correct, the actions of this part of our society warrants serious debate .. as does the issue of paedophile priests.

Let me ask this: how many priests have gone to jail and how many mugshots of white Catholic men do you see in the media?

While we are here, do you think using the specific term "Asians" is warranted? The term describes a rather large part of the world:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/10/14.png
Asian is used as a generic term, in this country it is usually a collective term for Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis etc. You're quite right though, Chinese people for example, are 'Asian' too.

There are so many different types of them living over here now that it would be impossible to list them all, but in discussions about them in relation to child sex abuse, perhaps they should be reffered to as Pakistanis as these appear to be the main culprits of this horrible crime within the Asian community??

Pierre 29-10-2018 23:28
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968567)
Asian is used as a generic term, in this country it is usually a collective term for Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis etc. You're quite right though, Chinese people for example, are 'Asian' too.

There are so many different types of them living over here now that it would be impossible to list them all, but in discussions about them in relation to child sex abuse, perhaps they should be reffered to as Pakistanis as these appear to be the main culprits of this horrible crime within the Asian community??
“Asian” is typically generically used for the sub-content.

Far East generically is oriental

hduser 29-10-2018 23:46
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08-05-2012, 19:54 just looked at date of original post - over six years ago

lots of the same thing - lots of same common factor

nomadking 30-10-2018 05:39
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968567)
Asian is used as a generic term, in this country it is usually a collective term for Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis etc. You're quite right though, Chinese people for example, are 'Asian' too.

There are so many different types of them living over here now that it would be impossible to list them all, but in discussions about them in relation to child sex abuse, perhaps they should be reffered to as Pakistanis as these appear to be the main culprits of this horrible crime within the Asian community??
Still the biggest joint attribute is being a Muslim. There appears to have been more non-Asians that are Muslim than Asians who aren't Muslim.

Oxford
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All of the men were of Pakistani origin apart from two brothers, who were from north Africa.
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Bristol - Some 13 Somali men were jailed for more than a total of more than 100 years after they were convicted in 2014 of running an inner city sex ring.Victims as young as 13 were preyed upon, sexually abused and trafficked across Bristol to be passed around the men's friends for money.

ianch99 30-10-2018 07:12
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968567)
Asian is used as a generic term, in this country it is usually a collective term for Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis etc. You're quite right though, Chinese people for example, are 'Asian' too.

There are so many different types of them living over here now that it would be impossible to list them all, but in discussions about them in relation to child sex abuse, perhaps they should be reffered to as Pakistanis as these appear to be the main culprits of this horrible crime within the Asian community??
I agree. Members of the British Pakistani community would be more accurate ..

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35968534)
Is anyone going to open a thread about the abuse of children by the Catholic church? This seems an equally disturbing problem, maybe more so ..

One in 50 priests is a paedophile: Pope Francis says child abuse is 'leprosy' infecting the Catholic Church
BTW, there is nothing "fake" about child sex abuse in the Catholic church ... although it may be uncomfortable for some to hear.

RichardCoulter 30-10-2018 13:54
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35968578)
Still the biggest joint attribute is being a Muslim. There appears to have been more non-Asians that are Muslim than Asians who aren't Muslim.

Oxford
Maybe being Muslim is the common denominator then as opposed to being asian/Pakistani?

Pierre 30-10-2018 14:09
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968616)
Maybe being Muslim is the common denominator then as opposed to being asian/Pakistani?
The common denominator is that they’re all male. And the girls are all vulnerable from the lower end of society.

There is a further indicator that they are mainly from Pakistani origin.

I don’t think religion plays into it. The fact that they are of Pakistani origin would automatically make them Muslim.

Russ 30-10-2018 18:19
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35968621)
The common denominator is that they’re all male. And the girls are all vulnerable from the lower end of society.

There is a further indicator that they are mainly from Pakistani origin.

I don’t think religion plays into it. The fact that they are of Pakistani origin would automatically make them Muslim.
It's less to do with them being Muslim.

When I lived in Leicester my ex warned me to never take her daughters to certain parts of the city that had mainly Pakistani residents. She made it her mission to make sure the girls kept away from Pakistani gangs too.

nomadking 30-10-2018 20:23
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35968660)
It's less to do with them being Muslim.

When I lived in Leicester my ex warned me to never take her daughters to certain parts of the city that had mainly Pakistani residents. She made it her mission to make sure the girls kept away from Pakistani gangs too.
So how many areas were there with large concentrations of Muslims who weren't Pakistani? If you lived in London or Manchester, would the same warning apply to Somali areas?
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Three Somali men jailed for raping a 16-year-old girl in Rusholme in 2013



How many examples from around the UK and indeed the world, do you need of depraved Muslim gang behaviour by those not originating from Pakistan?

RichardCoulter 30-10-2018 21:15
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This thread was started in response to Asian gangs grooming children, that's why they are the focus of the discussion.

Nobody is suggesting that every member of this community is a paedophile, nor that non asians/pakistanis/Muslims don't indulge in paedophilic behaviour.

There clearly is a problem with this community and it needs sorting out. Pussy footing around the facts and crying racism is what has led to them getting away with it for so long. Even some of their own leaders have acknowledged this.

Russ 31-10-2018 05:30
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35968677)
So how many areas were there with large concentrations of Muslims who weren't Pakistani?
I never did the research.


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