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Indeed, it was a good deterrent but we voted for sovereignty and "taking back control of our borders" so sacrificed it on the altar of Brexiit.

In its place we gained lots of Middle East-North African small boat immigrants. We definitely knew what we voted for in 2016, despite what those pesky Remainer told us! :erm:

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They knew what they were voting for I'm sure of it or else why are the bullshit merchants in parliament representing people's interests and why are the rags that peddled it still in business, wouldn't make sense for this to be happening if such a large portion of the public had been hoodwinked let alone for them to be given another chance to fool them again.

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Not sure why - yet again - Brexit is the 'raison d'être' for all things related to immigration.

The World then had to cope (badly if being honest) with Covid and it's knock on effects.

Shortages of raw materials, companies going bust, long term infrastructure projects going well over budget, online shopping making itself felt with the demise of high streets and smaller businesses.

Successive Government 'experts/advisors' trying to bluff their way through everything by guessing what tomorrow would bring.

Wars, ethnic cleansing, famine, natural disasters, global warming etc.

Governments and some celebrity individuals stating loudly and publicly "come to us, we welcome you with open arms"

People flee to Europe (and America) where they're told everything is milk and honey . . it's not just the UK that has problems.

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Brexit hens coming home to roost.
https://archive.ph/oEY14

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Tariffs here, tariffs there, bloody tariffs everywhere.

What the hell happened to the 'global market' everyone was so sure would be brilliant?

Screw it, lock the doors and close the curtains, let's go self sufficient, nothing (including people) in or out for the next 6 months :devsmoke: :drunk:


oh, and a P.S. - the UK steel industry = foreigners that thought a UK base would allow them better access to the European markets :p:

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The UK has a "steel industry"?

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Yes, but apparently it's costing China 500 zillion quid a week to run it

It also used to cost the Indians a fair whack too (after some asset stripping), and the Dutch also made a few bob from owning it.

I think what the UK Govt. needs to do is buy and take control of a concrete producing plant in Zimbabwe, and purchase an 80% stake in a Brick manufacturing company in Chile.

The cost of transporting finished materials to the UK will be easily absorbed by the ridiculously cheap labour costs involved :D

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Since we import nearly half of the food we eat in this country, you may not have fully thought that through…

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I'm sure we would all survive on chicken/sausage and chips for 6 months, with a lamb or beef hotpot on a Sunday :D

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Stop eating foods that cannot be grown here and that figure would drop, the problem then is, given the level of population, there is not enough farm land grow the required levels of food, especially with Labour bulldozing as many fields as possible to build HMO's and bedsits on.

In reality there are things we need to import into this country and that includes certain people because of certain job roles, however our government should be controlling imports better but well we have seen how that has gone under both the Tories and Labour.

I was talking to someone about this a few months ago, he said we could get away with not importing anything, until I asked him where his computer stuff is going to come from, where his medication is going to come from etc etc at which point he realised importing is not bad as long as it's controlled and done correctly, but when there are no controls etc it causes problems.

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We import 40% of our chickens, and we are a net importer of pork (for the sausages) and beef - you are making suggestions that are unlikely to be workable.

Have you thought of standing for Reform UK? ;)

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We probably only import all that stuff because the UK is filled with fast food outlets catering to the whims of the 'can't be arsed to do it myself' brigade.

Anyway, we could slap a 70% tariff (lol why not) on any imported foods . . pineapple on your pizza sir? - that'll be an extra £4 :D

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Say goodbye to most of the Fruit and Veg, Chocolate, Cereals, Fish, Beef etc etc, if we slap massive tariffs on it or ban the import of it.

https://ssoif.co.uk/an-overview-of-t...-food-imports/

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more likely say hello to farming, fishing and livestock becoming popular again :D

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we can eat seasonal stuff like spuds n turnips and spuds and turnips and spuds......

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Pretty sure these two proposals couldn’t run concurrently, due to the lead time finding the land for crops and livestock, then actually planting, growing, and harvesting the crops, breeding and raising the livestock, and building the fishing boats and training the crews…

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and sprouts, and carrots, and swede, and cucumber, and peas . . and . . and . . it's a vegetarians paradise isn't it :erm:


See, that's what's wrong with this country. Somebody makes a decent suggestion and EVERYBODY knocks it.
Let's face it, we're screwed aren't we :rofl:

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i'm growing some garlic out the back, take that Frenchy

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Sprouts in garlic sauce, scrumptious :Yikes:

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Your 3 points are sadly quite easily made useless by this Labour Government.

1: Farming, farmers are getting out of farming and are also paid by the Government to not grow crops because they would rather use the companies they are invested into, to import the food so farming is being killed off.

There is also an issue of what land do we use when every Labour council is concreting over every inch of land they possibly can to build HMO's, Bedsits, 1 bed flats and warehouses, at the rate they are going and the rate the Tories will go at, there will be no green fields left in this country within 20 years.


2: Fishing, we cannot catch enough fish to feed the country, never mind the constant influx of new people in small boats, when this clown show of a Government hands over fishing rights to the EU for 12 years meaning we cannot catch as much as needed because the EU have primary rights to the fishing grounds, in exchange for getting through border security faster when the clowns go to the EU.

3: Rearing Livestock, again just like farming, it's hard to raise livestock when you have no land to grow grain etc to feed them, also with the way this country is going, it will be illegal to eat meat soon.

Sadly with the likes of Labour in charge this country is going down the toilet, not that the Tories are or were much better.

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Pointing out facts/reality ≠ knocking…

"lock the doors and close the curtains, let's go self sufficient, nothing (including people) in or out for the next 6 months" ≠ ’decent suggestion"

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perfectly good suggestion, on par (or better) with anything else spouted by the 'experts' running the Country - which have done nothing to reduce national debt, help industries grow and mature, create employment, or safeguard the few industries we have left.

Not to mention the reduction in Global Warming if we stop bringing crap in from halfway around the World just to bury it 3 months later when it breaks :D

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Yes. Not well known amongst the prawn sandwich brigade but it exists. However, thanks to Trump and Brexit it's facing a host of challenges.

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Brexit chickens coming home to roost at a cost of billions.
https://archive.ph/x0ez8

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riding along on a wave of bullshit

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Not according to the wider public opinion now.

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Sounds like you're using denial as your coping mechanism as taxes rise and productivity drops. I get it; we all handle these things in different ways

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10 years, and Brexit is still being blamed instead of the Governments (both of) incompetence and fixation with everything but the UK.

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Due to the unexpected cost of building Hadrian’s wall Rachel Reeves had said she has no choice but to raise taxes to cover this unexpected hit.

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Lol. :D

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Absolutely :rofl:

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It could have been so different if the government went on to deliver the benefits. Where is the bonfire of regulations? May and Sunak were never going to lift a finger to do what was necessary. Our only hope now is for Farage to pick up the cudgels.

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so its the governments faults even though the rest of us said this would happen. that Brexit would fail and would cost us dearly. we told you this would happen.

it happened.

now instead of saying "you lot were right" its "well it would have worked but it was the government who got it wrong"

How do you know that? You don't. Like you didnt know brexit would be a success but you still voted for it and gambled our countries future. Seems to just be a continuing attempt at denial by everyone involved in brexit tbh.

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.. or maybe its just more "everything is the fault of Brexit", even 10 years later.

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It's an ongoing cost due to increased barriers with our largest trading partners. Those increased costs occur every day, not just one day in 2021.

Clearly not just Brexit to blame for the country's situation. I don't think the Office fir Budget Responsibility is suggesting that though.

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It certainly wasn't Brexit that caused Covid to be the shitstorm of the century, no amount of extra paperwork, custom control or different passports stopped that decimating the UK (and Europe).

Covid was the big crunch in 'homeworking' which led to office closures and empty city centers, the same city centers devoid of customers for the entertainment, hotels, and food/drink industry. We still haven't fully recovered from that, and many of those jobs that were lost aren't coming back because Covid caused such a massive change in lifestyles (as did the smoking ban).

How many small businesses went bust because they couldn't work during Covid, and how many of the larger ones still haven't paid back those 'Covid loans'. Lots of potential wiped out in a couple of years, and would have happened whether we were IN or OUT.

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. . and now we're into the fabulous Net Zero fixation and it's impacts on UK industry.

Steelworks and Oil Refineries are the biggies, but lets not forget all the smaller places where energy costs are crippling them into closure.

and:

Please ensure you don't leave electrical appliances on standby overnight and use water sparingly (while we commit to another 15 Data Centers)

We are proud to announce that AI has replaced another 42,817 jobs

Electric cars are the future, if you can't afford them you can use public transport (when not striking)

We need to become a cashless society because it's more secure and safer than getting your wallet/purse stolen . . oh really?

We need immigration to fill all the jobs (that we're in the process of getting rid of)

The only things growing in the UK are the 'Black Hole', Cutbacks, Depression and Disbelief.


. . . I'm off to buy another couple of bottles of Brandy :D

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I would say you shouldn't drink when you're that miserable, but what the hell - go for it!

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Emp[oyers didn't need any more powers. Contracts of employment state a work address and those employers who wanted staff back could easily enforce the contracts. Equally, staff who wanted to work from home are free to find another job where they can do so.

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Sorry, I can't attend your next uplifting party. :D

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Of course I know! The EU inspired legislation is still there. The Working Time Regulations, the GDPR, TUPE, all the stuff that has brought business to its needs. Illegal immigration is out of control because the government failed to do what was necessary about the ECHR, which is preventing deportations. And so on. All this is the fault of government malaise and disinterest, not of Brexit.

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No worries Andrew, I'll just ring and inform the caterers that there's now no need to cut the crusts off the sandwiches, or indeed cut them into triangles.

It's a shame you'll also miss out on the excellent pork pies, made with genuine pork no less, but sadly imported from countries where farmers breed pigs on land not designated for solar farms.

;)

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/10/2.gif

https://www.justfarmers.org/farmers/...edbd9c9a88103c


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<cough cough>

https://collegegreengroup.com/blogs/...ation-problem/

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Spot on Vince!

I'm afraid Old Boy still deludes himself that we can suddenly strip away all of the laws of the country and we'll apparently still function and be able to trade with the rest of the world! He fell for the sales pitch and is still drinking the snake oil by the pint glass!

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No, just the EU inspired laws, replacing them with more appropriate and less bureaucratic laws.

As a remainer, you simply don’t or won’t understand why Brexit hasn’t worked. It’s certainly not for the reasons you think.

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‘ the actual impact of the ECHR on deportations may be overstated.

Since 1980, the European Court has halted just 13 deportations, and only 29 UK cases heard at Strasbourg have concerned deportation or extradition’

How many cases do you need to halt the deportations? You simply cannot ignore the precedents set by these rulings, which then encourage more appeals.

You can deny it as much as you like,but by abolishing the ECHR (or by limiting its application within the UK) it will be possible to deport arrivals very quickly without any right of appeal.

We need to change the law so that anyone arriving without documentation is removed immediately, whether claiming asylum or not. We should decide who enters this country and which cases merit asylum as we have done in the past. We have welcomed people from Hong Kong, Ukraine and so on, but no case has been made for accepting people from Africa, and that’s nothing to do with race - they are economic migrants. We happily accepted Ugandan Asians when Idi Amin was on the rampage.

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You said

I showed the fact that since 1980, the EHCR has prevented 13 Deportations.

How will getting rid of something that has only prevented 1 deportation every 3 and 1/2 years, and heard only 29 cases from the UK (1 every year and a half on average), make it easier to deport people.

Show your workings…

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That is disingenuous and you’re clever enough to know it.

The real question is not around deportations, it’s about how many have been allowed to stay because of the ECHR.

That’s harder to quantify, because it’s not recorded. We just get drip fed the more egregious ones.

Like the acid attacker who avoided deportation by claiming to have converted to Christianity (yeah right)

The lots of examples, but not that many as we only hear of them when they go wrong, when the asylum seeker goes on to commit a murder, assault or rape.

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old chestnuts anyone

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No one want to see your old chestnuts… :sick:

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I'm certainly not getting mine out in public, That Reeves character will slap a wrinkle tax on them :D

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=6254

Totally irrelevant to my point.

Feel free to respond to my post, properly, or not…….if you can’t…..I see you’ve struggled recently.

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I told you, rulings set precedents, encourage more appeals. The number is unimportant, it is the ramifications of those decisions that are important.

Appeals delay or prevent deportations. We need to abolish that process. It’s not difficult to understand, Hugh.

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/10/3.gif

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One particular point Brexiters are fond of talking about is the impact of Covid on the UK economy. What some fail to understand is how the toll of planning for a no-deal Brexit meant the way we dealt with Covid was poor. As I said at the time, we should have paused Brexit to concentrate on Covid.

https://archive.ph/eriI0

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Not forgetting all the good work the Remain parties did by constantly undermining (by any legal or underhand method they came up with) anything the Leave party put forward to ease or define the process . . both before and after the 'vote'

Possibly if everyone had said 'fine, it's done, how can we make it better? ' things would have gone more smoothly :p:

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Wow, that's a stretch. It's because of Brexit we locked everyone down, closed schools, payed people to take up pottery and crashed the economy that our great grand children will still be paying for it?

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Our plans for Covid were inferior to many other countries' and the enquiry found that government and civil servants were distracted by planning for a no-deal Brexit. With better Covid planning from not planning for a no-deal Brexit, the economy would have not taken such a hit.

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Not a stretch, the Covid 19 enquiry found the state’s attention was distracted from potential public health crises by planning for a no-deal Brexit.

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Close but I can't award you any points, Seph. We would have had better management of Covid if planning for a no-deal Brexit hadn’t happened.

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. . fighting both the EU and the Remain camp throwing obstacles in the way at every suggestion or plan

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Johnson's choice to prioritise Brexit no-deal preparations over Covid.

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Well if you believe that arse covering bollocks, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.

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Damn, I was gonna sell him the Isle of Wight

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It's an independent enquiry, not an echo chamber on Redditt or Twitter.

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he'll buy it ;)

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everything is now an echo of social media :p:


he will when I mention planning permission (passed) for the Eurostar Link

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Lol, if only I could afford it! Maybe someone with a gold-plated final salary scheme might afford it though...

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Yes, does sound logical - can’t see it going down well with voters, but still!

Look, ultimately it’s impossible to say now as to whether or not Brexit was good or bad for the UK, and it’s all highly subjective.

I like to think of it as similar to claiming that Beethoven would have been an even better composer if his mother had shown him more affection. Something that is completely impossible to prove one way or the other.

If the EU referendum had gone the other way, if the UK government had ignored the result and stayed in*, then, possibly the world might look a bit different, maybe.

* Although the logical conclusion of this would be, yes we claim to be a democracy, but, sorry, screw you, the public, we know best!

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Let the games commence :D

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The OBR will cite it so I assume Reeves can add her own take on it. The next election is likely to be four years away but if we want growth and an end to ever-increasing tax rises, then I think re-joining the Single Market could make it into their manifesto.

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Are you really missing those EU 'handouts' we used to get?

We won't get any growth if all we do is import (buy) things from everywhere else.

We also can't reduce taxation while 2/3 of the country are on benefits of one kind or another and the other 1/3 are screaming for wage rises :D

Either IN or OUT will not make the slightest difference now, it's a Global thing ;)

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Well they odds on to lose the next election, they might as well make it a complete certainty