Cable Forum - Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

This is nothing more than a childish rant, it you support Phorm, then put forward your reasons for supporting it, also everything Hitler did in Germany was Legal.

1.) Phorm helps the internet community by making niche sites previous thought of as unattractive to advertisers attractive not because of their content but because of their visitors

2.) Phorm protects privacy because they do not store history data

3.) Phorm offer a real choise whereas other advertisers who use java and the like to allow cross domain transfer of information do it all behimnd the scenes without informing users or giving a choise. Phorm offer a central off switch

4.) Phorm will actuall cause less advertising and an increase in the advertising value of real estate

5.) Phorm will help small companies promote themselves in a cost effective manor

cookie_365

19-06-2008 00:44

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

1.) Phorm helps the internet community by making niche sites previous thought of as unattractive to advertisers attractive not because of their content but because of their visitors

2.) Phorm protects privacy because they do not store history data

3.) Phorm offer a real choise whereas other advertisers who use java and the like to allow cross domain transfer of information do it all behimnd the scenes without informing users or giving a choise. Phorm offer a central off switch

4.) Phorm will actuall cause less advertising and an increase in the advertising value of real estate

5.) Phorm will help small companies promote themselves in a cost effective manor

A cost effective manor? That'll be Hackney then ;)

antihanff.com

19-06-2008 00:45

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by cookie_365 (Post 34578759)

A cost effective manor? That'll be Hackney then ;)

As you guessed I am not english by birth so theres no need to BULLY me for that

TheBruce1

19-06-2008 00:46

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com

My statements are on behalf of being free to invest in legitimate businesses. You are like animal rites campainers who force shareholders not to invest in legitimate research companies.,

This is such a silly notion, whatever you invest in, there is always risk, just because people can invest does not give them the right to make money without protest, regardless of the protest, you need to understand risk assessment .

Privacy_Matters

19-06-2008 00:47

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578760)

As you guessed I am not english by birth so theres no need to BULLY me for that

Ahh that helps

You're not from St Petersburg by any chance are you? :shocked:

mark777

19-06-2008 00:47

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Wilting campaign = 55 posts in an hour, late at night?

Kenty Boy, WE ARE STILL HERE.

Portly_Giraffe

19-06-2008 00:48

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

2.) Phorm protects privacy because they do not store history data

Any interception of your Internet connection, no matter how carefully the data is handled, increases the risk of your data being stolen and misused. And the increased complexity of the Phorm systems raises the threat from hackers and fraudsters.

Privacy_Matters

19-06-2008 00:49

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34578765)

Wilting campaign = 52 posts in an hour, late at night?

Kenty Boy, WE ARE STILL HERE.

Yes, and notice the support coming from nowhere :) The campaign is as strong as ever.

AlexanderHanff

19-06-2008 00:49

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

1.) Phorm helps the internet community by making niche sites previous thought of as unattractive to advertisers attractive not because of their content but because of their visitors

And the evidence for this is where exactly? No I didn't think you would have an answer.

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

2.) Phorm protects privacy because they do not store history data

Yes they do, they store it in RAM and the page it to disk. They store profile data which is linked to your UID in the cookie and can be cross referenced by any OIX website to IP address. Oh and yes I almost forgot, in order to do all this Phorm BREAK THE LAW and intercept/modify your communications without consent.

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

3.) Phorm offer a real choise whereas other advertisers who use java and the like to allow cross domain transfer of information do it all behimnd the scenes without informing users or giving a choise. Phorm offer a central off switch

Not sure what a "choise" is, I am guessing you were born into money because your spelling is so atrocious I can't see how you earned enough to invest in Phorm.

If you mean "choice" then again, there is no choice, a central "switch off" is illegal under UK and EU law, it needs to be a central "Switch On".

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

4.) Phorm will actuall cause less advertising and an increase in the advertising value of real estate

As evidenced where? And again with the interesting use of spelling.

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

5.) Phorm will help small companies promote themselves in a cost effective manor

Actually Phorm have stated their adverts will be more expensive because they will be more valid. Have you met Kent? No I didn't think so, he said exactly this on a number of occasions.

Any more?

Alexander Hanff

Tharrick

19-06-2008 00:50

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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1.) Phorm helps the internet community by making niche sites previous thought of as unattractive to advertisers attractive not because of their content but because of their visitors

Because of the nature of Phorm, it's far more likely that the visitors will instead be directed to rival niche sites. That's not of benefit to the niche sites.

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2.) Phorm protects privacy because they do not store history data

This is arguably false because the only way to build up a sufficiently detailed profile to make the adverts targeted rather than purely random is to store some form of history of the users

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As mentioned earlier, the issue is less that there's advertising, and more the methods used to gather the information used to target the adverts. In addition, Phorm's 'central off switch' is a lie, as proven by earlier statements that any traffic will 'still be mirrored to the profiler' regardless of opt-in or opt-out state.

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4.) Phorm will actuall cause less advertising and an increase in the advertising value of real estate

This is a flat-out lie straight from K*nt's little book of lies. The number of adverts will not decrease - why would it? The fact that the adverts are 'more relevant' will not reduce the number of adverts around, especially given that Phorm is not the only advertising company on the internet.

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5.) Phorm will help small companies promote themselves in a cost effective manor

Spelling mistake jokes aside, it won't. Small companies can promote themselves better by focusing on their local areas first, or by using systems already in place like Ebay's shop system, or just rely on Google to bring them customers who are actually looking for their products.

SimonHickling

19-06-2008 00:50

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

I hate to bite, but ...

If more niche sites will have advertising on them, how is that causing less advertising. And if I remember by economics correctly, the more of a commodity exists, the less it is worth.

I will admit to the increase in the advertising value of the real estate - to Phorm. They will be selling space on the likes of timesonline and ft.com for a huge amount because they get lots of clicks. Whereas jacksnichesite.co.uk will be worth knack all to the major advertisers - I haven't seen them mention that.

It's certainly a good deal for Kent and his cronies, but for me, the niche site owner, no thanks. It just rips off my hard work and sells it to the highest bidder. As a boss of mine once said "BT are the biggest bunch of shysters I've ever had to deal with" - I think Phorm are running them a close second.

Portly_Giraffe

19-06-2008 00:51

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

I prefer a central on switch. And even the Information Commissioner agrees with me.

Bonglet

19-06-2008 00:52

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Sorry have to do a bit nit picking if thats the best you can come up with where is the BENEFIT to the user?.

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578756)

1.) Phorm helps the internet community by making niche sites previous thought of as unattractive to advertisers attractive not because of their content but because of their visitors <-- Say what?

2.) Phorm protects privacy because they do not store history data
Can you explain where the fabled data logs goto and at which point any info goes to another country?

3.) Phorm offer a real choise whereas other advertisers who use java and the like to allow cross domain transfer of information do it all behimnd the scenes without informing users or giving a choise. Phorm offer a central off switch
We shouldnt have to switch anything off we should have to switch something on yes you know the REAL CHOICE.

4.) Phorm will actuall cause less advertising and an increase in the advertising value of real estate.
No it wont it will add to it (or hijack legal paid for adverts) not to mention all the browsing lag that goes with the redirects

5.) Phorm will help small companies promote themselves in a cost effective manor

Yes yes sure pay phorm or we overwite your ads for someone willing to pay more hell we might even just paste our adverts over your small buisness online webshop just for the hell of it and cancel out your advertising revenue at the same time.

phormwatch

19-06-2008 00:52

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by antihanff.com (Post 34578733)

My statements are on behalf of being free to invest in legitimate businesses. You are like animal rites campainers who force shareholders not to invest in legitimate research companies.,

Sorry, but Phorm isn't a legitimate business. Legitimate businesses don't conduct covert and illegal trials on people. Nor does the business plan of a legitimate business involve breaching several UK laws regarding privacy and data protection.

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