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Xi urges Russian restraint on Ukraine in first sign of split with Putin

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ed6143ef31c1e4

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President Xi intervened in the Ukraine crisis for the first time yesterday, saying in a rare hint of disagreement with Russia that he supported French and German “peace efforts”.

The Chinese leader said in a video call to President Macron of France and Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, that he wanted “maximum restraint” in the war in order to avert a “humanitarian crisis”. He promised to send humanitarian supplies to Ukraine.

“China commends the efforts France and Germany have made to mediate the Ukrainian situation,” Xi, 68, said, according to Chinese state media.

His support for the French and German position contradicts his previous strong backing for President Putin, 69. Both countries have played a key role in the fierce response of the EU and Nato to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, surprising some who expected them to adopt a more neutral stance.

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Just been on Sky news, Russia claiming they've found biological laboratories in Ukraine and are 'demanding an explanation from the US'.

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36116109)

Just been on Sky news, Russia claiming they've found biological laboratories in Ukraine and are 'demanding an explanation from the US'.

Russia can get their answers but they need to discuss, I don’t know,,, um… Novichok , with us first…. ? ;)

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36116109)

Just been on Sky news, Russia claiming they've found biological laboratories in Ukraine and are 'demanding an explanation from the US'.

I wonder if Tony Blair believes them . . .

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36116109)

Just been on Sky news, Russia claiming they've found biological laboratories in Ukraine and are 'demanding an explanation from the US'.

Is that their latest reason?

The previous ones I remember are:-

Russia could not feel "safe, develop and exist" because of what was claimed to be a constant threat from modern Ukraine
Genocide of Russian speakers
Ukraine never had a tradition of genuine statehood
De-Nazification
Peace-keeping mission
Dirty Nukes

I may have missed a few…

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36116090)

Just been claimed on TV that some adult children in Ukraine have telephoned their parents in Russia to tell them what's going on and they don't believe them!

They must be so brainwashed that they believe Russian propaganda over their own offspring!!!

Jeremy Vine interviewed two Russians settled in the UK at the beginning of the week on his lunchtime show on Radio 2. Both said the same. Many Russians in Russia have completely swallowed Putin's propaganda line and simply won't believe even members of their own family who can see what's really going on. Such are the family tensions in some instances that they have all agreed not to talk about it, though I don't know how sustainable that's going to be as sanctions really start to bite ordinary Russians.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36116100)

We just had an update from our management at work on the situation. Local staff in Ukraine have all been evacuated to neighbouring countries. The feedback from Russia based staff is that they are not happy in the slightest with Russias' invasion of Ukraine (hooray for end to end encryption of calls allowing them to speak honestly!)

The company I work for sells products which are dual use technologies and they have been blocked form day one but now all products are blocked from shipment as a policy and also because Russian customers have very few ways to pay for these goods. There's also an information embargo so no support for existing products. Russia are essentially persona non grata

It's always heartening to hear of Russians who *do* understand they're being lied to. I guess it's unsurprising in this case as these are the ones who routinely work with people based in other countries, and they're having conversations grounded in facts, figures and business strategy, rather than occasional family chat. In the long term, the mismatch between what their government tells them the world is like, and what their work colleagues are really like, must be impossible to ignore.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116116)

Still can't be the pure 'we know we're lying, you know we're lying' on this one.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36115856)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646675783

So, the goal of Russia starting a war in Ukraine was to stop any war starting in Ukraine…

Sounds legit and trustworthy…

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2031972.html

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Britain is considering donating Starstreak high velocity anti-air missiles to Ukraine to help the country defend its skies, Ben Wallace has announced.

The defence secretary also told MPs the latest UK military intelligence showed that Moscow had only been successful in one of its main military objectives since the invasion began 14 days ago.

While he described the situation in Ukraine as “grave”, he insisted the Kremlin had failed in its mission of targeting air defence, “preventing total air dominance”…

… According to arms manufacturer Thales, the Starkstreak high-velocity anti-air missiles were designed to “provide close air defence against conventional air threats such as fixed wing fighters and late unmasking helicopter targets”.

They are capable of being launched from “lightweight land, sea and air platforms”.

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Now he's bombed a hospital, and children are buried.

Can we seriously hold back and not defend Ukraine?

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...-says-12561747

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36116131)

Now he's bombed a hospital, and children are buried.

Can we seriously hold back and not defend Ukraine?

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...-says-12561747

If we do it could be your/mine/everyone's family under the rubble.

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Power has now been cut to the Chernovyl power plant, sparking fears of nuclear contamination:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...874.html%3famp

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Fears that Putin may now resort to using chemical weapons:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...3omdoLxq8sJfrY

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36116131)

Now he's bombed a hospital, and children are buried.

Can we seriously hold back and not defend Ukraine?

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...-says-12561747

It's heart-wrenching seeing news like this.

The West has no easy choices.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36116131)

Now he's bombed a hospital, and children are buried.
Can we seriously hold back and not defend Ukraine?

Unless you want become a nuclear burn shadow on what’s left of your kitchen wall, all we can do is wait until Ukraine surrender and/or a negotiated peace is brokered.