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jfman 30-09-2023 11:39
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So you condone censorship, as long as it's people you don't agree with - got it.

I'm quite sure she went on to say she disagreed with the Farage milkshake incident, I fail to see what's actually objectionable. It's just more whataboutery because the lads at GB News are all getting sacked.

1andrew1 30-09-2023 11:50
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160976)
And the pathetic Channel 4, Guardian are hard left Labour pieces & nut jobs. Do you actually have a point Ian, or do you just enjoy chatting lefty shitty soundbites as usual? :zzz:.
GB News undermines itself by having serving MPs host its programmes and act as shock jocks. News channels from the BBC and Sky just do not do this.

In terms of nut jobs, the best example of of this I've seen was the unchallenged interview with the deranged Naomi Wolf. She claimed that the vaccine roll-out was comparable with the actions of “doctors in pre-Nazi Germany”. No prizes for guessing which channel that was on!

Russ 30-09-2023 13:01
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160966)
I see the usual whinging members of this channel, still whining about it, it’s easy, don’t watch it.
And that exactly sums it up for me. I wouldn't s**t over my self-dignity by wasting my time watching that pathetic excuse of a channel. They cater to a particular section of the audience out there, so for those who like that kind of thing, that's the kind of thing they like.

But when they stir up a hornet's nest (sometimes accidentally, no doubt occasionally deliberately) it ends up getting reported on other channels and media.

So whereas advising us to not watch GB News is one option, that isn't really a sensible or viable way to stop seeing/hearing people "whinging". If you (generically, not personally) choose to watch a channel/show/presenter who makes contentious points then you're just going to have to accept people are going to criticise them, the show or the channel.

Mr K 30-09-2023 13:10
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160976)
And the pathetic Channel 4, Guardian are hard left Labour pieces & nut jobs. Do you actually have a point Ian, or do you just enjoy chatting lefty shitty soundbites as usual? :zzz:
You should apply to be a replacement presenter Mick, you sound like you'd fit in there ;)

( don't recall C4 being investigated by Ofcom as much for continually breaking the rules )

Sephiroth 30-09-2023 13:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160925)
I said independent professional journalists. They can be right-wing journalists like Andrew Neill but they need to be independent by not being an MP nor holding a position of power in a political party.

I'm not sure that because GB News oversteps the boundaries quite a lot (qv Fox and Wootton recently) and therefore attracts complaints, we have to compensate for that incompetence by allowing politicians of one party to interview one another to provide a level playing field of judicial fairness.

Well, you didn’t. You said ‘an independent media’ - different things. What you also didn’t say was ‘…an independent media (as in not the BBC) …’ .

But you were clearly pointing at journalists, so I understand your point, at least in respect of Fox. But if the lefties would have their way, there’d be no voice for, e.e. Farage. That’s not democratic.

Mick 30-09-2023 17:30
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36160983)
And that exactly sums it up for me. I wouldn't s**t over my self-dignity by wasting my time watching that pathetic excuse of a channel. They cater to a particular section of the audience out there, so for those who like that kind of thing, that's the kind of thing they like.

But when they stir up a hornet's nest (sometimes accidentally, no doubt occasionally deliberately) it ends up getting reported on other channels and media.

So whereas advising us to not watch GB News is one option, that isn't really a sensible or viable way to stop seeing/hearing people "whinging". If you (generically, not personally) choose to watch a channel/show/presenter who makes contentious points then you're just going to have to accept people are going to criticise them, the show or the channel.
And the Guardian/channel 4 caters to left wing nut jobs.

None of you have addressed its colossal viewing figures compared to other news channels, just stupid snivelling remarks that it must have low viewing figures. :rolleyes:

My point still stands, BBC had a dirty secret for years re: Saville, so they should shut down because whatever GBNews has done, it pales in to insignificance compared to BBC.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160978)
So you condone censorship, as long as it's people you don't agree with - got it.

I'm quite sure she went on to say she disagreed with the Farage milkshake incident, I fail to see what's actually objectionable. It's just more whataboutery because the lads at GB News are all getting sacked.
I condemn nonces that the BBC failed to act on for decades. But good to see your ignorance in full flow.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36160984)
You should apply to be a replacement presenter Mick, you sound like you'd fit in there ;)

( don't recall C4 being investigated by Ofcom as much for continually breaking the rules )
Perhaps you should do some research, they had a weirdo on there playing a musical instrument with his penis. That went beyond any common decency.

Oh and one of their News presenters was caught in an off guarded expletive beginning with C against an MP.

Russ 30-09-2023 17:33
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160988)
None of you have addressed its colossal viewing figures compared to other news channels, just stupid snivelling remarks that it must have low viewing figures. :rolleyes:
I didn’t realise we were required to address that point but I’ll have a go. The Sun is the most popular paper in the UK, does that automatically mean it’s any good?

It may well have high figures - I’m not interested enough in the channel to find out. So they tap in to the zeitgeist held by a number of people. Again, just because a large number of people believe something doesn’t automatically mean they’re right or their opinions are correct.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160988)
My point still stands, BBC had a dirty secret for years re: Saville, so they should shut down because whatever GBNews has done, it pales in to insignificance compared to BBC.
Of course they had many dirty secrets and you’d be hard pushed to find a broadcaster that didn’t/doesnt.

I pretty sure you’re intelligent enough to be aware that the longer an institution has been around, the Law of Averages would suggest the more skeletons in the closet they have. I’m not saying GB News needs to close down (although I wouldn’t miss them if they did) but if we’re both still around come back in about 50 years and see how many dirty secrets they have hoarded.

jfman 30-09-2023 17:43
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The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman.

Is this really one of the supposed greatest thinkers of right wing politics?

Everything else is irrelevant.

Russ 30-09-2023 17:49
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160992)
The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman.
Ah right, I didn’t realise I that (I have little interest in following this thread).

But yes I think that’s a very reasonable expectation of anyone who has attempted to defend GB News.

Mick 30-09-2023 17:54
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36160991)
I didn’t realise we were required to address that point but I’ll have a go. The Sun is the most popular paper in the UK, does that automatically mean it’s any good?

It may well have high figures - I’m not interested enough in the channel to find out. So they tap in to the zeitgeist held by a number of people. Again, just because a large number of people believe something doesn’t automatically mean they’re right or their opinions are correct.



Of course they had many dirty secrets and you’d be hard pushed to find a broadcaster that didn’t/doesnt.

I pretty sure you’re intelligent enough to be aware that the longer an institution has been around, the Law of Averages would suggest the more skeletons in the closet they have. I’m not saying GB News needs to close down (although I wouldn’t miss them if they did) but if we’re both still around come back in about 50 years and see how many dirty secrets they have hoarded.
You’re missing the point Russ, after the saville scandal to rock the BBC, it should have been shut down or at least, had that stupid archaic law of having a TV license scrapped.

Chris 30-09-2023 17:58
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160994)
You’re missing the point Russ, after the saville scandal to rock the BBC, it should have been shut down or at least, had that stupid archaic law of having a TV license scrapped.
That’s not the point at all. That’s ‘whataboutery’ - trying to dodge the point by moving the debate onto something else.

Laurence Fox’s behaviour was objectively wrong. Dan Wooton’s behaviour was objectively wrong. A news programme employing a card-carrying, office-holding member of the Conservative Party to interview a Conservative government minister is objectively wrong. Nothing the BBC has ever done makes it right.

Mick 30-09-2023 18:05
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36160992)
The straightforward question being avoided by Mick is whether it’s acceptable, on a supposedly credible news broadcast, for a man to speculate on whether he or any other man would have sex with a woman.

Is this really one of the supposed greatest thinkers of right wing politics?

Everything else is irrelevant.
If you’re asking me if I agree with Lozza’s comments, I don’t, I am just pointing out the rank hypocrisy that exists in this thread, other broadcasters abysmal failings, but GBNews bad.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36160996)
That’s not the point at all. That’s ‘whataboutery’ - trying to dodge the point by moving the debate onto something else.

Laurence Fox’s behaviour was objectively wrong. Dan Wooton’s behaviour was objectively wrong. A news programme employing a card-carrying, office-holding member of the Conservative Party to interview a Conservative government minister is objectively wrong. Nothing the BBC has ever done makes it right.
Wrong. Hiding a nonce should have seen the end off the BBC or the law requiring a license to watch TV.

If it’s ‘whataboutery’ then so be it.

Russ 30-09-2023 18:23
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I’m pretty certain you won’t give 2 shits about this but admitting to “whataboutery” then you’re more or less confessing to skirting the issue but ok

Chris 30-09-2023 18:27
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160997)
If you’re asking me if I agree with Lozza’s comments, I don’t, I am just pointing out the rank hypocrisy that exists in this thread, other broadcasters abysmal failings, but GBNews bad.

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Wrong. Hiding a nonce should have seen the end off the BBC or the law requiring a license to watch TV.

If it’s ‘whataboutery’ then so be it.
Mick … sorry for teaching granny to suck eggs here, but this is a topic-based discussion forum. There’s nothing hypocritical about sticking to the topic denoted by the thread title. You’re being quite unfair to other posters here, accusing them of moral failing when the only thing they’re manifestly doing is discussing the topic as set.

There’s absolutely nothing stopping anyone starting a thread called ‘cancel the nonce-enabling BBC’ if they want, but nobody should be criticised for not starting that thread.

Hugh 30-09-2023 18:35
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36160988)
And the Guardian/channel 4 caters to left wing nut jobs.

None of you have addressed its colossal viewing figures compared to other news channels, just stupid snivelling remarks that it must have low viewing figures. :rolleyes:

My point still stands, BBC had a dirty secret for years re: Saville, so they should shut down because whatever GBNews has done, it pales in to insignificance compared to BBC.

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I condemn nonces that the BBC failed to act on for decades. But good to see your ignorance in full flow.

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Perhaps you should do some research, they had a weirdo on there playing a musical instrument with his penis. That went beyond any common decency.

Oh and one of their News presenters was caught in an off guarded expletive beginning with C against an MP.
I can’t find anything that supports that statement.

According to BARB, the News channels August 2023 viewing figures are as follows

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...….9,540….14.96……………………1.03…………..1:35
Sky News…………………..8,632…..12.69…………………..0.81……………1.10
GB News…………………….2,786….…4.37……………………0.62……………0.50

July 2023

https://www.barb.co.uk/monthly-viewing/

Channel…..Monthly Reach 000’s….%…..Monthly Share%…..Minutes:Seconds
BBC News……………...…10,262….16.09……………………1.05…………..1:30
Sky News…………………..8,089....13.54…….……………..0.80……………1.14
GB News…………………….3,195….….4.96……………………0.65..…………1.00

They show GB News to be watched less than BBC News and Sky News (and don’t take into account that most people watch prime time BBC News programmes (at 1pm, 6pm, and 10pm) on BBC1, which is simulcast with BBC News at those times. For instance, the 6pm News on BBC1 on Tuesday 12th September was watched by 3.5 million viewers, and on the Monday and Wednesday of that week, by 3.36 million viewers.

I don’t believe any GB News programme has reached those figures.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ed-programmes/


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