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Pierre 24-03-2017 23:02
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Will not harm him in the eyes of his supporters whatsoever.

His bill has been blocked by " establishment " Republican politicians.

1andrew1 24-03-2017 23:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35891611)
Will not harm him in the eyes of his supporters whatsoever.

His bill has been blocked by " establishment " Republican politicians.
Hillary not in jail, Mexico not paying for the wall, Obamacare not repealed - his supporters are quite a forgiving bunch. ;)

I think that the outcome is good and bad for him. Good in that he didn't have to implement measures that would be unpopular with the electorate. Bad in that it throws up his lack of attention to detail and his claim to be a great negotiator is substantially weakened.

Hugh 24-03-2017 23:30
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Trump blamed the Democrats, even though the Republicans had a majority.

SAD!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550
Quote:
Speaking after the withdrawal, Mr Trump blamed the Democrats for not supporting the bill and predicted that Obamacare would "explode".


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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35891611)
Will not harm him in the eyes of his supporters whatsoever.

His bill has been blocked by " establishment " Republican politicians.
Actually, he was blocked by those who wanted more cuts than he was proposing - the Conservative Fredoom Caucus; very Anti-establishment.
Quote:
The president was furious that members of the hard-line conservative Freedom Caucus had opposed the legislation. He demanded for much of Thursday that Mr. Ryan push a vote to publicly expose the members who were opposing the administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/u...-act.html?_r=0
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@RealDonaldJTrump

The irony is that the Freedom Caucus, which is very pro-life and against Planned Parenthood, allows P.P. to continue if they stop this plan!

24/03/2017 12:23

1andrew1 25-03-2017 00:00
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Looks like it's actually worse news for Trump than I thought.

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How disastrous is this for Trump? Analysis by Anthony Zurcher, North America reporter
How bad was Friday's defeat of the American Health Care Act in the House of Representatives? Bad. Very bad.
The American Health Care Act was the first major piece of legislation pushed by the White House and the Republican-controlled Congress, a key political test early in the president's term, when he should be at the height of his power and party cohesion at its strongest.
In spite of all of this, Mr Trump, House Speaker Paul Ryan and the Republicans running Washington could not get the job done.
For Republicans Friday wasn't just bad. It was a disaster.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39387550

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But despite the President's self-proclaimed business skills hyped in the books ascribed to him, many people see his admission of defeat after all the lobbying as a damaging loss of face...
If the vote to repeal Obamacare was Mr Trump's high-profile attempt to show who is the boss of that country, the President or Congress, it has signally failed to make the matter clear.
http://news.sky.com/story/president-...-face-10813061

passingbat 25-03-2017 00:29
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Trump statement here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lVLKgmYotY


I think Trump could be right; a new bill down the line with Democratic input could be a better bill. The Fredoom Caucus are (as I understand it but happy to be corrected) full blown free marketers, with, I suspect, little concern for the poor. The less well off need to be protected. Obama Care seems doomed, with premiums rising, and providers dropping out. The Democrats now have an invitation to get involved; lets hope their hate of Trump doesn't get in the way.

Hugh 25-03-2017 00:37
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So he's blaming the Democrats because the Republicans didn't support him....


OK, then.....

Re Tennessee insurance numbers, as quoted by Trump, you may find this informative.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/mone...2017/85309068/

So, the Republicans tried dozens of times to overturn the ACA, but now the Democrats should work with the Republicans....

Once again, OK then....

passingbat 25-03-2017 00:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35891622)
So he's blaming the Democrats because the Republicans didn't support him....
.

It was the Freedom Caucus that scuppered the bill (Probably for the best). The Democrats have now been invited to give input. Do you guys hate Trump so much that you can't see the merit in that?

martyh 25-03-2017 07:07
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35891625)
It was the Freedom Caucus that scuppered the bill (Probably for the best). The Democrats have now been invited to give input. Do you guys hate Trump so much that you can't see the merit in that?
Of course there's merit in that and it begs the question that if Trump cared so much why didn't he do it in the first place .He is so busy blaming the Democrats for his problems he forgets that they are the opposition party and this latest episode shows how political naive he is ,why would he expect the Democrats to support him ? At this time in his presidency he should have support ,he should be able to get bills through congress but he is failing miserably ,hopefully now he realises that bullying people into submission simply doesn't work in politics

TheDaddy 25-03-2017 07:38
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35891636)
Of course there's merit in that and it begs the question that if Trump cared so much why didn't he do it in the first place .He is so busy blaming the Democrats for his problems he forgets that they are the opposition party and this latest episode shows how political naive he is ,why would he expect the Democrats to support him ? At this time in his presidency he should have support ,he should be able to get bills through congress but he is failing miserably ,hopefully now he realises that bullying people into submission simply doesn't work in politics
Iirc George W Bush went a 1000 days before his approval rating dropped below 50% the donald was well below that in the first, maybe second week, that's the level he's playing at if I am recalling it correctly that is

Damien 25-03-2017 07:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35891625)
It was the Freedom Caucus that scuppered the bill (Probably for the best). The Democrats have now been invited to give input. Do you guys hate Trump so much that you can't see the merit in that?
Maybe but I can't see the Democrats supporting a deal that cut Obamacare for people and I can't see the Republicans accepting a deal that didn't.

It could well be this is the ideal situation for Trump since he promised that no one would lose healthcare whilst at the same time getting rid of Obamacare so it wasn't clear how he could do it - unless he just rebranded it. Democrats would support improving some of the flaws of Obamacare so long as no one lost it. That would probably mean more spending.....

martyh 25-03-2017 08:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35891640)
Iirc George W Bush went a 1000 days before his approval rating dropped below 50% the donald was well below that in the first, maybe second week, that's the level he's playing at if I am recalling it correctly that is
You are ,his approval ratings are dismal and getting worse .The polls show that his core support is eroding fast

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.51b129e0620c

passingbat 25-03-2017 09:04
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35891642)
It could well be this is the ideal situation for Trump sincehe promised that no one would lose healthcare

Exactly. And I genuinely believe that he wants to make sure everyone does have healthcare. And I agree, it is going to be extremely difficult for him to pull it off, given the free market stance of many members of the Republican party. The everyday people of America need to be behind him to get a healthcare bill that works for everyone, and cuts through political dogma. We, in the UK, should be so grateful for the NHS.

1andrew1 25-03-2017 09:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35891649)
Exactly. And I genuinely believe that he wants to make sure everyone does have healthcare. And I agree, it is going to be extremely difficult for him to pull it off, given the free market stance of many members of the Republican party. The everyday people of America need to be behind him to get a healthcare bill that works for everyone, and cuts through political dogma. We, in the UK, should be so grateful for the NHS.
If Trump wanted to ensure everyone had healthcare then why did his propose ending it for 24m people?
He's a global bilionaire who will now turn his attentions to cutting taxes for his fellow billionaires and multinational businesses.
What is clear from this episode is that Trump is not a leader. Despite majorities in both houses, Trump was unable to sell the deal to his party. In stark contrast to Obama.

Mick 25-03-2017 10:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891655)
If Trump wanted to ensure everyone had healthcare then why did his propose ending it for 24m people?
He's a global bilionaire who will now turn his attentions to cutting taxes for his fellow billionaires and multinational businesses.
What is clear from this episode is that Trump is not a leader. Despite majorities in both houses, Trump was unable to sell the deal to his party. In stark contrast to Obama.
Steady on, you're getting ahead of yourself as usual. He has another 3-7 years to sort the mess that Obamacare is. It was not actually Trumps healthcare plan. This bill that failed was Ryancare....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#436ee7a1168f

Tax reforms include tax cuts for ALL. But don't let that stop your negative agenda from working too much overtime. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35891643)
You are ,his approval ratings are dismal and getting worse .The polls show that his core support is eroding fast

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.51b129e0620c
Approval ratings / Fake polls mean Jack all. Polls were wrong in 2015 General Election. Polls were so manifestly incorrect right up to Nov 8th US Election. And some news outlets had HC at 90% chance of her becoming President, thank the lord that nightmare did not become reality.

Damien 25-03-2017 10:42
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I wonder if they will try again. It seems they would face the same problem again that half of them want to cut a lot of Obamacare but others don't want their constituents losing healthcare.


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