Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Okay lets break this down.

Its violence by SOME protesters, not THE protesters. Labels again :nono:
No I condemn (most of) the violence by them, but support the majority as a whole.

I don't mind what they do, just as long as the police don't escalate the anger of the protesters any more than they need to. I don't want to see a whole generation become radicalised, and that's exactly what is happening now.

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Thank you for illustrating my point so eloquently. You've taken grey, made it black, and you've suggested we now assume it's black and base more assumptions on the new black classification. People have been hanged based upon such medieval notions. In the 21st century however, this is dissapointing.

Now Mr Expert, so instead of 1% of trouble makers creating a scene - tell us what you call 20,000 rioters ? A civil war?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

But there aren't 20,000 rioters, so I call it a figment of your imagination.....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Err..no way Hugh, those pictures are of a van being vandalised by some "yoofs" who don't even look like student protesters.

This is a van being rocked :
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As I mentioned earlier, it was rocked but that isn't tantamount to "police vans" (note the plural) being tipped over as was stated earlier.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I don't need to imagine, I have seen plenty in Londonderry and Belfast, Been involved in plenty in Londonderry and Belfast, Had to fire plastic bullets in one of those and fired tear gas as well.

So yes i KNOW what a riot is like. I know what its like to be on the receiving end of petrol bombs, Stones, Bricks and all the other crap that is thrown at you. I know what its like to have some hooligan spitting in you face, Swearing at you, Trying to stab a length of wood in you.

I just hope those that start one in London know what one is and what its like if the police use everything at there disposal to stop it. There will be unfortunately people on both sides hurt. I just hope those that are looking forward to the riots and are planing these riots are and will be able to live with injuries that people are going to get on both sides

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

a) I am impressed that you can tell the difference between student protestors and "yoofs", since most students are, in fact, "yoofs" (strange that all police are violent fascist barstewards, but you have the wherewithal to differentiate between young people, even when their faces are completely hidden (as they were in my earlier post).
b) it's the same police van.....
c) your follicles appear to suffer from extreme splitting.... is it ok that one police van is vandalised, and only becomes a problem when more than one police van is tipped over?

And before you go down your black/white route again, I do not think that all student protesters are violent, just a small minority - but that small minority damaged the reputation of the rest, just like the small minority of police who behave badly taint the rest of the force (but as I do not believe in sweeping generalisations, I believe in both cases it is a small minority).

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

So what is the difference between a student protester and a hooligan protester. Do they have different clothing or something else.

So in that picture who is who, Might be the police need the info so they can instantly id them like you have.

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Same here well said :clap:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Then we could say that hoodie is a rioter but wait a minute that hoodie over there is just keeping warm.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Irrelevant. My earlier post was aimed at Masque's comment about multiple police vans being tipped over, when in fact it was an exaggeration as none were.
Yes from reading up on this, I do believe it is the same van. The one that was deliberately left as bait in the protester "kettle" in the November demo.
What utter nonsense. When did I say it was okay to vandalise a van? Was it not you who said "assumptions are the mother of all frakk-ups?"
Why is is okay for you to make all manner of assumptions in order to validate the indefensible, but if anyone else appears to do it then it's deemed "the mother of all frakk-ups" ?

Just because its just as bad to vandalise a van as it is to tip one over, does not excuse your camp from deliberately spreading misinformation dictating that multiple police vans were tipped over, when in fact it was one that that vandalised. If one is to exaggerate, why stop at tipped over? Why not make the fairy tales much more colourful and add in some explosions and fatalities? Maybe its just me, but I'd much rather we stick to facts than fantastical misinterpretations of what actually happened, just saying...

Well its good that you accept that 99% of students who were clearly seen to be walking calmly with their placards weren't just thugs in disguise pretending to be peaceful protesters. Now we are beginning to stick with the facts, I hope this is a sign of things to come in this discussion.

The only reputation damaged in my eyes is that of the individual protestors who resorted to extremem violence, and the individual police who were overly aggressive or instigated violence. I don't tar everyone with the same brush, ever. I do judge (as do we all), but only on a case by case basis, regardless of gender, ethnicity, appearance, uniform (or lack of) or any other identifying marker other than the content of their character.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Could please point that one out as I am unaware of it myself.:erm:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Re "accept that 99% of students comment", one of my earliest posts in this thread (#73) was agreeing with Damien who stated so I had accepted it a long time ago.....;)

Re your tar/brush interface scenario - from your earlier posts....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

You just need to have Politically Selective Mode enabled... :D

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Standard issue for some folks... :D

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Are you seriously trying to say that was rioting. That is a serious overreaction, but then if your assumption is indicative of what the police believed, is no wonder they are being accused of overzealousness.

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I am not talking about other videos, I am talking about the one linked to.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Actually i believe it was me who said "vans being tipped over" which fair enough was a slight exageration to force a point ,but still ammounts to the same thing .

and you honestly believe that? , you actually believe that a £30,000 van was used as bait to encourage the kids to riot ?

what an idiotic thing to say

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

As idiotic as the truth?

If you think the police would never leave a van in the middle of a demonstration as a PR stunt, you have much to learn about how the authorities police this country. Everybody knows it was left there on purpose, all part of the PR battle - and make no mistake, there IS a PR battle at work.

There was an in depth discussion online somewhere about that van. The conclusion was that it wasn't even in service, older model (possibly stripped out of anything of any value) and something wrong with the ID on it (iirc).
Yes, there is evidence that would suggest it was left there on purpose.
If I can find some relevant links I'll post them.

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Ah, so it was. Apologies Masque. That'll teach me to type and work at the same time :doh:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Yes of course, that is exactly what I was referrimg to. :rolleyes:

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But there appears to be who many seem to think there were.