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Not sure how popular that will be. The public will probably be fine if it's clear the restrictions are going one way, so July 19th sees another lifting of restrictions with masks on public transport staying for another few months.

The event thing won't fly for long though. Too slow to admit tens of thousands of people into a stadium if they have to check a QR code for COVID status.

Masks I think might be some a semi-casual fact of life for us as they are in Asia. It may become a cultural expectation that if you are ill you try to work from home and/or wear a mask when you go out.

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The Delta variant is nothing to worry about.:rolleyes:
Australia

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If your population is vaccinated, the data shows that it isn’t. Australia’s problem isn’t the delta variant, it’s the lack of vaccines.

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My post was about the Delta variant, not Australia.
With near 100% household transmission and transmission from just passing by somebody(although probably without a mask), that is a serious matter.

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*If* your population is vaccinated, it is not a serious matter. Viruses like measles have a vastly greater R rate than any covid variant. In an unvaccinated population that’s a big problem. In a vaccinated population it isn’t. The same principle applies here.

Australia’s problem is not the delta variant. Australia’s problem is it faces the delta variant largely unvaccinated.

Delta’s transmissibility, particularly that it is around twice as transmissible as the original Wuhan virus, is not news. Emerging data have been indicating this for a couple of weeks now.

(Edit) you can see this in action in this graph showing that the tight correlation between infections and hospitalisations in Scotland was broken in March. Hospitalisation simply isn’t rising with infection any more.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1625006505

From: https://data.spectator.co.uk/

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Has it been explained why the Indian variant has been renamed the Delta variant?

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Because nobody wants racists picking on Indians and nobody wants to annoy the fifth largest economy in the world.

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I wouldn’t be, there is no justification for it now. All restrictions should be lifted. If you personally want to wear a mask fine that’s up to you. But the need for tests/ certification etc….well there isn’t a need. Government should focus on the economy now.

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Stop testing and pretend it’s not there. Completely Trump-esque.

It’s already been proven the countries with the best economic response are those with the best public health responses. They should focus on the economy by doing it right, not taking short cuts. Hong Kong have banned travel from the UK, given we keep being told the economy means we can’t close our borders the same principle applies in reverse surely - we rely on other countries keeping them open to us.

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No ones pretending anything, it's just irrelevant whether it's there or not.

If the population is vaccinated or has anti-bodies through infection. If people now getting infected are mostly only getting a mild disease they can manage at home.

What good is testing? What meaning does it have? what decisions would be made from it?


Given the current political tensions between China & the UK, I wouldn't be so sure that decision is 100% on Public Health grounds

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Testing is going to be useful to pinpoint any new variants and also when and where booster shots might be needed going into the winter. I suspect testing will remain at least until next Spring for that purpose.

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Not if those days included bank holidays.


I have had jobs where it was 28 days = 8 days BH then there was 1 day for every year you worked up yo 5 days.


My last job was 20 days + 8 BH them 1 day for every 3 years you worked up to 5 days. on top of that you had to keep 3 days for Christmas so effectively only got 17 usable days



20 days was NOT enough to have a 2 week summer holiday

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Knowing who has the infection is critical to monitoring it within society. You may think it’s irrelevant, and from your own privileged position where restrictions do not affect you (and therefore meaningfully protect you) it is perhaps irrelevant on a personal level.

However critical to any pandemic response is knowing who has a virus, is at risk of it and how it affects them.

Probably a bit of both, but the same is absolutely inevitable for other countries if our numbers go through the roof. They’ve seen the consequences of importing large numbers of the delta variant here, despite a reasonably successful vaccination programme, nobody will be in a rush. Even worse if we just throw our hands up and admit failure by not testing. Every plane in would be a dice roll.

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Reasonably successful … :rofl: … the UK’s vaccination programme really has shattered your worldview, hasn’t it?

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I know “overwhelming success” is the default for those who enjoy a dose of British exceptionalism but I doubt Pierre thinks it’s an overwhelming success if we keep having to postpone freedom day, keep masks, distancing and so forth alongside some of the highest (and rising) Covid case counts in Europe.

It’s a good practice run for the Autumn boosters though.

I know you don’t like your holidays in Europe but Old Boy has Benidorm he wants to get to.

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I can see him now in his football shirt and red peeling scalp crowding into the British bar for his British fry up, downed with a few lagers before heading back to the hotel sunbed and a row with any 'foreigner' daring to speak the local lingo.
Greatly enjoying Wales myself this week. A much more cultured place and people. Sunny and warm too. :)

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Not interested in testing, not interested in foreign holidays, not interested in the guesswork predicting a 3rd, 4th, 5th wave.

I just want to know when my wife & daughter can bugger off back to working in an office.

Both work for the local council and have been working from home since March 2020 . . and it's doing my damn head in :mad:
Council are saving money with empty offices, we're obviously using more gas/electric/water while they're at home.
Both use laptops & phones constantly talking to other workers & 'clients', any supposed 'confidentiality' is out of the window, I'm now well versed in the financial packages on offer, who to contact if Mr X needs an orthopedic bed, the different rates paid to 3rd party care service providers, and lots of other stuff that I really shouldn't be hearing.

There are also jobs I can't do around the house because of the disruption it would cause to their work . . anything that entails the power off is a no-no, as is anything that would make too much noise & mess.

Apart from that . . am I eligible for Business Internet, and is it cheaper than what I currently have :shrug: :D

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You may wish to look up "passive-aggressive"… ;)

HMG’s caution is probably because of the unknowns around the Delta Variant - Governments all around the world are re-imposing mask mandates and other restrictions, so HMG are not being outliers in their behaviour.

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Malta refuses to accept NHS app as proof of vaccination. UK visitors need a letter from the NHS confirming vaccinations.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/m...l-b943361.html

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You can get the app to send you a PDF

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It's got nothing to do with 'freedom day', mask mandates, social distancing, or anything else. Nor is it British exceptionalism, as the hard data proves - the UK is one of several nations that have been extremely good at getting their vaccination programmes moving, and progressing at speed. That it practically chokes you to say so is just a bit sad.

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It’s unfortunately got everything to do with freedom day, masks and distancing as that’s what the Government have been selling people.

Hiding behind “new variants” as something completely unanticipated causing delay and lowering the efficacy of vaccines (and the speculative second dose delay strategy we are rapidly trying to reverse) is to misrepresent fact. Variants were always absolutely predictable - and in late 2020/early 2021 there was already data on reinfection (Brazil) and lower vaccine efficacy (South African) variants.

I’d contest that what is “just a bit sad” is that you are blinded to the possibility that the Government pulled a confidence trick on everyone before an election and here we are with Autumn boosters and SAGE already warning of winter restrictions.

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Another leak about the 19th July announcement.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/d...s-b943401.html

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UK government quoting a five day turnaround to produce the letters that Malta needs. Don't know what they do for other countries and if this is just a ploy to reduce tourists from the UK.

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What's the Covid situation in Malta anyway?

Is it under control? Are cases falling? Are the hospitals coping? How many of the population have had second jabs? Can you only go out in groups of 6? Are the nightclubs open?

What's the rush?

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Has this strategy been deployed anywhere else or is India being given special treatment in this respect?

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It might be worth getting these letters as soon as you're double vaccinated then. Do we already have them available to request?

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Found it: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...d-pass-letter/

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Never been, but always wanted to go. An acquaintance has told me that English is widely spoken & English food widely available which is a plus. Is it a bit like Gibraltar?

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Surely the more English it is the less it feels like a foreign holiday?

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India seemed to gather more immediate success from it than Brazil and South Africa (who in turn have now benefited).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...indian-variant

Complained to social media companies, other countries and the WHO.

Special treatment? Who knows but capitalism often leads to following the tune of whoever has the most coin. We delayed putting India on the red list despite being in a worse position than Pakistan for three weeks - how likely do you think we would take an action that costs us nothing like renaming a variant?

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Benidorm. Blackpool in the sun.

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That's a bit unfair to Benidorm.

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Have a list of the current variants of concern and interest - https://www.who.int/en/activities/tr...oV-2-variants/

The variants of concern are;

Alpha = Kent/UK
Beta = South Africa
Gamma = Brazil
Delta = India

Of the variants of interest (innocent until proven guilty at this point) we're all the way to Lambda (Peru variant)

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COVID-19: Nearly 2,000 cases linked to Scotland fans watching Euro 2020 games

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...games-12345619

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I can't wait for the whining when one found in China is designated Xi. :D:D:D

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So we get the nightclubs back up and running from 19 July and we can snog and French kiss perfect strangers from day one, no more restrictions!

And yet….we still agonise about whether we should replace school bubbles. That does not fit my vision of what constitutes ‘normal’. Have we forgotten what ‘normal’ is?

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Can office workers return to work on the 19th . . . please? :D

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There’s a by-election this week.

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Obviously, Yale Medicine should have called on you, because they believe there are still uncertainties about the Delta Variant…

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid

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They say football isn’t a matter of life and death, it’s much more important than that. Not watching Scotland it’s not.

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Some people like that though, they're not interested in the local culture/food/people, they just want the sun.

I prefer a bit of a mixture myself, but if a country has good English I find it much easier these days.

I'm surprised they haven't introduced a translating device that immediately translates various languages into English verbally. Headphones could cut out the native language & do this to prevent confusion.

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Hahahaha.

Maybe they should do English to Spanish and see if it can translate lager lout after 5 Carlings into Spanish.

Para 2035, toda la televisión solo se transmitirá mediante servicios de transmisión.

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Hi Carth. I don't think it's going to be a compulsory end to working from home on the 19th but ...... Just thought I would give you this link just in case it may unlock a few £s to offset the costs incurred by your wife and daughter working from home. Sorry for butting in if they are already doing this.

"Martin Lewis: Working from home due to coronavirus, even for a day? Claim TWO years' worth of tax relief"

https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2...5X1EHcF6k2R4xc

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Indeed, I used that last year.

I wasnt aware it was available for this year, so I just logged in again, it took all of 30 seconds to complete ;

:D

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It would save the EU a fortune. I once saw a film where one of their translators got bored, so changed what was being said and inadvertently started a war between two member states!

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It sounds made up, to be honest.

We should learn Mandarin. So at least we can ask the Chinese to lie about the lab leak in their native tongue. It would also save me pointing to a menu and saying a number 67, an 88 (no onions) and a portion of chips please.

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Most films are :erm:

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Lol, oh it was fiction definitely, it never really happened thank heavens!

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You can do it every year and it wasn't brought in just because of the pandemic. Perhaps you could go back 6 years if you worked from home throughout this time??

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Oops. :D

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Iain Duncan Smith saying we should stop publishing Covid stats.

Yes everyone - take personal responsibility but we won't give you the data to make informed decisions.

He might as well say get out there and die you plebs.

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If Old Boy and his pals had voted in sufficient numbers for the UK to remain in the EU, he could travel freely in the EU two weeks after his second injection...and soak up the rays at a destination of his choice.

Instead, he's now thumbing through brochures of Southend, Llandudno and Blackpool. ;)

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From that piece.

and the whole article basically states that it's only an issue for unvaccinated people and areas of low vaccinated population.

So........what's the issue?

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What year would that be.

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The unvaccinated people, like your children?

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My kids, "may" get infected...but the evidence is overwhelming that they are unlikely to get a severe illness, if they get ill at all. I've been double jabbed so has their mother, grandmother and pretty much everyone else I know.

So.....what's the issue?

It doesn't give ages, and I've read the report and it does not separate out the ages of the Individuals

What it does say is

There is nothing to suggest healthy unvaccinated children are at any increased risk of severe illness. Happy to read any report/paper that does say that.

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We went to Gozo which is a short helicopter connection from Malta (old Russian transport beastie converted to passengers).
What disappointed me was all the street lights. I'd hoped for dark skies on such small safe islands.

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Nothing wrong with that :D

Need to get back to work now, Llandudno's tourist board hotline gets busy on sunny days.

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Children can pass it on to adults, though it's fair to day that those who have been double vaccinated are less likely (not guaranteed though) to get severely ill and die.

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I can’t help but think a vaccination campaign above a reasonably successful one wouldn’t have to resort to herd immunity by the back door by allowing millions of infections to supplement a lower efficacy vaccine mix.

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This is because you wilfully define success so as to ensure it’s unattainable. Anything to shore up your evil Tory/Westminster/incompetence worldview.

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No, the eradication of smallpox is overwhelmingly successful. Right now we are a long way short of that with COVID. "Reasonably successful" seems a reasonable description of the current position.

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Boris says 'extra precautions' may need to remain after July 19th

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1876237.html

Masks?
Social Distancing?
Another piece of black tape over the security camera?

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Smallpox was a lot easier to deal with as it was easy to spot. There were no asymptomatic cases so when someone had it at which time they could descend on the area and vaccinate everyone around it. Smallpox also is not contagious during its incubation period, only when the symptoms develop, which again made it easier to stop its spread. You also had lifelong immunity after one vaccine. It also had no animal reservoir to live and/or mutate in outside of humans.

So they widely administered the vaccine and then over time swooped in where the vaccine escaped herd immunity to ring vaccinate everyone around it.

Smallpox remains the only disease we've eradicated through vaccination. It took decades and we were helped by a widely successful vaccine and that it was easy to spot. It's unfair to use that as a comparison point for a virus we've only had a year and a half to work on and that can spread without the host having symptoms.

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I'm not comparing diseases. I'm using it as an example of "overwhelming success". I can't think of many others. Maybe SARS-Cov-1, where we don't have a vaccine but was eradicated entirely by social distancing.

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Just received some Rapid Antigen tests in case I need them. Are these lateral flow tests?

Ironically, there's a small leaflet in them that says they were made in China.

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https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/n...are-expansion/

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-07/...ovid-every-day in

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Success is measured by the attainment of targets. Smallpox was eradicated; that was the aim. In that instance the aim was absolute so the measure of success is arguably binary. If you set out to eradicate something you either succeed or you don’t.

This year the aim has been to deliver an effective vaccine to enough people, with enough speed, to break an epidemic and the pressure it has placed on our health service. I am not aware of anyone inside or outside of government who has made any serious suggestion that the present vaccination programme could, or would, eradicate covid.

Given that we have empirical data showing how fast a covid vaccination programme can reasonably be conducted (as the whole world is doing it), including ample data for how our peer group is performing, and increasing evidence that the link between infection and serious illness has been broken, “overwhelming success” is not an unreasonable conclusion and “reasonably successful” looks precisely like what it is - sour grapes from someone who is hard-wired to detest anything achieved by the British state.

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If you want to highlight how successful it's been we're 2nd only to Israel in fully vaccinated people per capita: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Recently overtaking the United States who've also had a fantastic rollout in recent months.

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They are indeed the famous Lateral Flow Tests. Very easy to use to be honest. We get through loads in our house as my kids do tests for school and my wife and I have done a few for work reasons.

These kits were designed by Innova They are made for the NHS by Xiamen Biotime in China which is fun! Even more fun is that Xiamen Biotimes webiste is blocked by my works web filtering software as it thinks that this is a gambling site :D

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Thanks for confirming ��

The conspiracy theorists will probably say that China introduced Covid in order to sell us these. Whilst I think that there is a good chance that China are responsible for this virus coming from a laboratory, I doubt it was done on purpose. They just don't want to admit it to save face & paying out a hell of a lot of compensation.

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I mean that second sentence is pretty much an evidence led worldview. Nobody else is planning to infect millions of school kids without mitigations.

Overwhelming success is attainable if they want to take the hard choices. Reasonable success will hopefully work and we won’t go into another lockdown in winter.

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They’re no more “planning to infect” anyone with covid than they plan to infect anyone with chicken pox, a common childhood illness from which I almost died (the virus caused secondary encephalitis, necessitating a prolonged hospital stay and several months off school), yet I still understand the public health rationale for not vaccinating against it.

Your choice of words does however ably demonstrate why I characterise your viewpoint the way I do. It’s almost comically absurd.

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I really don’t think that any reasonably neutral person would agree with you to be honest.

I don’t really consider the chicken pox analogy comparable. In any way, shape or form. If children become a reservoir for a further new variant which pushes the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine even lower with grave consequences for health and the economy then it will have been completely avoidable. And you’d still defend them at all costs.

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In terms of likelihood, the virus being engineered is very unlikely. If it was, then Chinese scientists would be world stars in virus engineering and would also be world stars in vaccine development.

Could it have leaked? Possibly, it's happened before in the UK with Foot and Mouth. However, it would still be unlikely - if any one knows how to contain viruses, it would be a Virology Institute. Coronaviruses, especially unknown ones would be handled in a BSL-3 lab which is pretty tight.

My thoughts - it's just one of those things. SARS-COV2 came from an area where novel Coronaviruses pop up all the time

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Apparently, we are going to get a flu jab in one arm & a covid booster in the other this year.

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Not sure about that - China is dependent on the rest of the world buying the goods they produce; disrupting that is sub-optimal for their economy.

https://santandertrade.com/en/portal...ade-in-figures

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I don't think there is much logic for China to have intentionally released it.

I do think there is coherent logic that they were researching coronaviruses and it somehow leaked, in that scenario it makes sense to cover it up obviously.

That said some of the arguments seem to mix up cause and effect. I.E People find it a remarkable coincidence that it just happens that a lab studying coronaviruses is in the city in which COVID-19 started. Apparently, this region of China is a hotbed of coronaviruses so it would make sense both a new variant of the virus and a lab studying them would be there.


Wuhan is also a city of 11 million people so there is plenty of reason that a new virus would emerge from such a city and not that much of a concidence it has scientific institutions there. It's not as if this is Oxford University and a virus family they're studying just happens to emerge from Oxford.

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The first link is about funding for long Covid in younger people and which is a wide and vague term that can mean lots of things but it importantly says in that link

I expect better from a “ Researcher”

The second is a broken link.

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Of course you dont, you dont consider anything that doesnt fit your views.

Covid is just another virus, and in the grand scheme of all viruses, not a very dangerous one.
It just happened to be one we had zero immunity too, but that's no longer the case anymore.

There are many things out there more likely to make you seriously ill, or kill you, now.
In fact, given how much attention its got, and how many are now vaccinated, the annual killer [flu] may be more likely to get people next winter.

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https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-07/...ovid-every-day https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...we-know-so-far Because there are so many unknowns, but with the evidence mounting, I wouldn’t be so blasé.

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With the best will in the world Paul I do genuinely welcome new evidence (where available) and I’m more than happy to revise my viewpoint where required.

Unfortunately the emerging evidence has supported my initial suspicions rather than contradicted it. I posted often at the end of January/early February about the inevitably of variants reducing the already debatable efficacy of the Oxford vaccine. I also posted that we wouldn’t reach herd immunity if we were solely reliant upon it - now proven true as we need millions of natural infections.

I’m not contradictory for the sake of it.

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Yes but I stated, and you quoted back to me in bold

Whilst that report cites several unpleasant ongoing issues, but nothing I would describe as Severe.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...we-know-so-far

Not being blasé, but the cases are low, the impacts are low. Given that the original post was about the general population being vaccinated and the risk of serious disease to unvaccinated young people being very low. You haven’t offered anything that substantially counters that point..

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As part of the door knocking in Leeds, we went to a house today where both parents have been fully vaccinated but the children (9 or 10 year olds by the look of one of them) have caught it at school and now the father is in hospital and the mother is 7 days in and still 'feeling rough'. She looked I'll and incredibly worried and had a coughing fit while talking to us so off for a PCR test we went!

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Maybe she was simply overwhelmed by the success of the vaccination programme. Can we reliably test for that?

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Well done for all for your door-knocking, that sounds like no easy number.

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https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...we-know-so-far


The NHS sets up specialist young people’s services because it’s not a issue?

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/n...are-expansion/

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I didn’t say it wasn’t an issue. Just no evidence of “severe Illness”

But a few quotes again from your link. Which is an nothing more than an opinion piece really and focuses on the affects to a few children.

Nothing definitive there

3rd hand non-professional hearsay.

Thankfully the poor article does acknowledge which is reassuring as we continue.

As a self proclaimed “researcher” it’s a pretty piss poor article with which to counter the point that kids are unlikely to be subjected to severe illness, which you haven’t.

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Loving your work here Pierre.

I enjoy restrictions and working from garden as much as the next bloke. The longer we can drag this out the better.

As OB says there’s some become addicted to furlough payments - the same can be said of the WFH brigade. Keep Covid prevalent enough for them to be kept out of major cities and off public transport systems. Saving hours per day and loads of money too. Might as well keep Covid rife and get another winter out of it.

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I wouldn't dare. I take it you (and anyone living with you) have been vaccinated.

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It's a full on job. Volunteered to do it and do feel we're making a difference, particularly to the few older and vulnerable people living in the midst of student land!

All fully vaccinated and taking lateral flow tests daily.

For anyone who knows the area, this was in one of the small leafy streets of terrace houses near the Headingley Arndale centre. The road in question had maybe 20 properties and we spoke to maybe half of them. Four of the properties we spoke to currently have Covid. Whilst this is still a student area it's nothing like the hellhole known as Hyde Park where it's out of control mostly thanks to the students:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-leeds-57643531

(I'm surprised at the quote of official figures saying 120 cases - my anecdotal evidence is a much higher figure)

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If you wanted to muck around increasing the affinity of the spike protein with human ACE2 receptors, you would probably be better served playing around and improving spike proteins from coronavirus strains already known to infect humans such as SARS or MERS than some random one derived from bats.

I'm not saying it's impossible but if the lads in China did engineer this virus, their abilities in protein engineering are well beyond anything I am aware of. If that were the case, then the same skills would be well used to make an excellent vaccine rather than the 'bog standard' inactivated products from Sinovac and Sinopharm

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Just a heads up for anyone hoping to travel to the EU and, possibly USA, this summer.The Uk used 5,000,000 vaccinations of the AstraZenica vaccine produced in India. Unfortunately India did not apply for approval for their vaccinations to be used in the EU and anyone who had one of these jabs will not have their vaccination recognised when their paperwork is digitally checked. https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-01/...oduced-az-jabs

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I take part in the ZOE COVID Symptom Study and each week Tim Spector gives a report on their findings. This weeks video is worth watching ...( well IMHO anyway. :) )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngE6i3C4vM

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:D

I’m going to frame that one.

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It seems that this is just a temporary administrative glitch. It should be resolved shortly, apparently.

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You keep posting that I’m a "researcher" - is that the same as a researcher? (Not sure what difference the quotes make…).

I have never said I’m a professional researcher (or a"professional researcher"), or have been employed as one - only time I’ve mentioned it was when I stated I was a researcher for my local MP over 30 years ago, but that was an evening/weekends thing, in addition to my day IT job.

I have said I was an Intelligence Analyst, so not sure what your point is/was, or was it just a cheap jibe?

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They’re there purely for ironic effect.

yes you have mentioned you were a researcher several times over several years on here, in what capacity I didn’t really take much notice of or care.

But earlier in this thread when I accused you being an “archivist”, continually trawling through this forum looking for “Gotcha” posts from months even years earlier where someone may have made a comment based on what they knew then, a very disingenuous pastime.

But you corrected me and advised with a wink that I should have used the term “researcher”, obviously that was how you saw yourself.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5105

Believe me it has been patently obvious since that you are no researcher.

Oh definitely a cheap jibe, every time.

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https://www.theguardian.com/business...ry-bosses-warn

Nice to know the pubs have the best interests of their customers and staff at heart. We want positive cases and close contacts of positive cases in work so we stay open.

Comedy gold. Businesses like these are beneath contempt - they deserve to die off and be replaced.

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