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I heard that the date had been repeatedly put back and that they had decided not to issue a new date until whatever the issues that they have have been resolved.

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Could be. I wonder if VM will be letting Sky have our UltraHD channel in return??

You will soon be able to get cheaper Now TV passes if you shop at Tesco:

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...-clubcard.html

- A new 'credit wallet' will be added to Now TV customer accounts.

- Redeemed Tesco Clubcard vouchers will be added to this credit wallet at three times face value.

- Credit in the wallet will last for three years from redemption.

- Credit will be used to pay for any passes you currently have, but not phone/broadband if you have those services.

It would appear, therefore, that if you have credit in your credit wallet, and then take a retention offer, it will be paid for from this credit, thereby allowing you to firstly get three times face value, and then benefit from a reduced monthly rate.

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I doubt that. If the Sky Atlantic channel won't be available to VM viewers, why would VM give away their UHD channel?

The details of the new deal did not say anything or imply in any way that this channel would be made available to Sky viewers.

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Are the shows on it exclusive to Virgin if not why would Sky even bother with it anyway.

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Yes, some of them are, such as The Rook, which is the latest drama to screen on this channel. Actually, when I compare the content of the Virgin Media UHD channel with the current output of Sky Atlantic, the Virgin channel is far better, even though it is a primetime only channel. No commercials on it, either.

Not everyone wants to subscribe to Netflix and Prime, and therefore dramas from those sources, such as Bloodline, Start Up and House of Cards are still useful to have, covered by the pay tv cable subscription.

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True, I just wondered if Sky would want to beef up their UHD lineup in return for letting VM have their UHD content.

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The point I'm making is Sky could just as easily negotiate with the rights holders of the shows (non exclusive) on there direct and add to its On Demand service.

Sky currently seem to be letting channels go not adding them.

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It's an interesting point, with Sky Atlantic remaining an exclusive to Sky customers and Virgin TV Ultra HD the equivalent for Virgin Media customers.

The Rook and The Feed are the first exclusive content on Virgin TV Ultra HD, but as you say the Netflix shows have value for non Netflix subscribers.

Meanwhile, since the end of Game of Thones the ratings on Sky Atlantic have taken a complete nosedive...

May 0.82% > June 0.31% > July 0.17%

It's a shame that Virgin TV Ultra HD isn't available to all Virgin Media customers, not just the top tier ones, as it massively limits its potential audience, although I fully understand they are also trying to use it to get people upgrading.

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Actually The Rook is not exclusive to VM it is part of Starz play which is also part of Amazon prime addon channels.
VMs UHD channel is indeed a welcome addition but it is shows that can be found on other services so far from exclusive i'm afraid.
If they wanted SKY and BT could make a offer to carry Starz play too, it is not a exclusive VM contract.

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I can't find it in the Starzplay section on UK Amazon. It is in other countries.
The press releases imply the VM will show it before being available on Starzplay UK.

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You're wrong there. The Rook is currently exclusive to VM in the UK, but on StarzPlay in other countries. The Rook is actually branded a 'Virgin Media Original' in the UK, just as The Feed is, which will be shown on Amazon Prime Video in other countries.

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https://www.libertyglobal.com/premie...ries-the-rook/

The new supernatural thriller, “The Rook”, co-produced by Liberty Global and Lionsgate, will premiere in Europe and the United States on June 30th.

The series, starring Emma Greenwell, Joely Richardson and Olivia Munn, will be shown exclusively to customers of Liberty Global’s European operations in the UK (Virgin Media), The Netherlands (Vodafone Ziggo), Belgium (Telenet) and Switzerland (UPC Switzerland), as well as to customers in some of Liberty Latin America’s markets in Latin America and the Caribbean.

It will also be available on Starz in the US and Canada, and on the STARZPLAY platform in Germany and Spain. Lionsgate holds worldwide rights to “The Rook” and is actively licensing the series to international buyers.

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Yes my apologies to OB, i use starz play usa.
That'll teach me to jump before i look lol.

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I think that would be a good thing to do in exchange for Sky Atlantic and the back catalogue on demand.

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They could, I guess, but they haven't done so.

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I haven't double-checked this, but I thought I had read that The Rook was exclusive to VM.

Happy to be corrected, though.

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Ah, thanks, that explains it!

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Ah the Sky Atlantic dream lives on.

The easiest way for Sky to beef up their UHD content is to just buy some.

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Someone has had that dream for over 8 years now.;)

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Youch! That's quite a ratings drop.

I kinda agree with you regarding the VM Ultra HD channel not being for all customers, however there's less and less in the Maxit tier, they need something there to have enough customers on it to make the numbers work for the BT deal, there needs to be something for those that don't want BT Sport in order for there to be enough of them to subsidise it for those that do. Currently, as I understand it, the only exclusives to Maxit (i.e. not in Personal Picks add-on packs) are basically BT Sport, a few HD versions of SD channels, Boxsets and Ultra HD channels.

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He-Man: Clerks director Kevin Smith to revive 80s series for Netflix.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49392859

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Can't wait for that :D

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Seeing as you were probably young enough to watch the original l expect you will look forward to it with keen interest.;):D

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This is a great article and makes some very valid points.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercs...y-1-more-svod/

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A excellent article MM.:tu:

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I think what will most likely happen is people will sub for a month, binge what they want and move on to the next for a month etc. I doubt in the future any streaming service will get subscribers for a ful year.

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You may be correct, however a lot of people just carry on subscribing even when they no longer get any value from it - sort of apathy really

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Completely agree pip which is great for the user but not a great business model.

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Yep, a lot of companies rely on and make a fortune from inertia.

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It falls down where it assumes that everyone will want to save €20 dollars on what they pay now to make the figures add up!

I certainly won't do that. When the time is right for me to give up the pay tv channels, I will look to spending the same amount on the increased content available to me.

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Sorry but you told us it would be a much better world as we'd all save money it's there in your post history.

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The assumption is incorrect. The majority of people do not just go from trial period to special deal to trial period, as is what some people on this forum do. Most do not behave in this way.

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What I said was that it will mean more content for less money - ie better value.

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No you said it would be cheaper , I see the politician in you as reared its head again.:D

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Is that not the Hundredth time you have said that now...

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Strange like a politician he has completely forgotten what he has ever said now.:D

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(Sigh). Yes, it will be cheaper. You will have a range of streaming services to choose from, each giving you a huge range of material. Instead of all those moronic fillers between the rare good stuff, the choice will be much more in line with what you want to watch.

Most people will choose one or more services to suit their preferences. I would not have thought many people would choose more than four or five because that would give you more choice than you could actually cope with. There is no point in paying for services you don't have time to watch.

From time to time, I would guess that many would drop one or two services and subscribe to others instead. That freedom comes with not having contracts that tie you to any one service over a long period.

The result is far more choice and flexibility at less cost.And let's not forget that in addition to the paid subscription services, we will also have the advertisement supported services available to us (although personally, I would not watch any streaming service with unskippable advertisements).

Seriously, I don't know what is not to like about this.

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But the sum total of getting equivalent content from a range of distributors will be more expensive.

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Remember broadband without a bundled TV package will cost more

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Especially decent broadband.

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Depends you say decent broadband but hyperoptic already has 1gb broadband out and no need for tv but like vms/bts fastest tier it comes at a price £60p/m but you can get that down to £40p/m.
Zen are another one rolling out ultra fast upto 500mbs at £49p/m so no need for tv there are more broadband companies than sky or virgin my friend.

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Once you've paid for said broadband plus some streamers - factoring in the price rises to make their business models viable - you're suddenly in excess of Virgin/Sky discounted pricing.

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The point is that the cost of decent broadband must be added to the cost of your chosen streamed services

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What if the streaming services were packaged instead of the pay tv channels? That's what I envisage happening in the longer term.

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That's because you are not envisioning what I said in my above post.

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No. See above.

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Love Nature, a worldwide leader of Ultra HD natural history content, comes to Sky on demand later this year

Link

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Some good content on that channel.

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I can't believe I'm being accused of having a lack of vision for a future to which Old Boy doesn't currently subscribe.

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Maybe that's because you keep knocking back all the evidence that he provides, and i do think that he does subscribe to some streaming services, isn't that what he said was the future?

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Could you explain that for me, please, as now you are talking in riddles.

I said I envisage that in the future, we would probably end up with packages of streaming services rather than channels on cable tv. Against that comment, your response doesn't appear to make sense. Are you referring to something else?

To be perfectly clear, if Virgin offered broadband and a package of streaming services that you could take instead of TV channels, I would take it. I cannot subscribe in this way at present because such a deal is not on offer.

As you know, I attach great importance to having all my streaming services on one box.

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Why don’t you just buy broadband from someone else? Vodafone are doing it for £20 a month. Then some streaming.

Easy.

Except it’s not. Streaming doesn’t offer the compelling content that’s the bread and butter of pay-tv in this country.

You attach an importance to something unrealisable if you want it all on one box with integrated menus and search functions. Disney don’t want to direct you to Viacom content, or Netflix content, or NBC content.

If you think they do then you’ve missed the point altogether. If you are relying on a platform to offer it then it’s no different to Sky or Virgin now.

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Opinion pieces from digital marketing companies isn’t evidence.

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It's a damn sight more than you ever offer!

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Except the fact that most of the main channels DO offer streaming options to watch most of the broadcast TV. iPlayer, all4, 5on Demand etc.

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Yup, spot on, but others still deny this is happening, heads in the sand!

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I dunno, a basic grasp of economics?

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Yes, my point is that linear will continue to exist alongside streaming. I even accept there will be less linear channels.

However to the companies you mention the cost of maintaining linear, considering the prominence it gives them, is virtually zero.

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No, because I am talking about the future, not the present. Much of the 'compelling content' on the main terrestrial channels will soon be available on Britbox UK later this year, which is another step towards that future. I am waiting for that cross over point when everything that is on pay tv is also on a streaming service and available in one place.

You say that Disney won't want their subscribers to access other content on the same box, but that is a nonsense argument that is answered just by looking at what is already happening. The route to maximising the chances subscribing to your service is to ensure it is on as many platforms as possible. Look at the Amazon Fire Stick, for example. Search for stuff on there and it also brings up the Netflix offerings. Netflix - their greatest competitor!

The presence of streaming services on as many platforms as possible is key to the biggest possible audience with the content you have to offer. Even Apple have come to that conclusion and will roll out their Apple+ service on platforms other than Apple.

A good example of what happens to streaming services that cannot find any popular platforms from which to offer their services is Eleven Sports, and look what happened to their plans for the UK.

You constantly denigrate just about everything that is posted by me and others, despite the links provided, but you rarely provide any links of your own to back up your contrary arguments. This leads me to the view that you tend to argue for the sake of it. It would be really nice if you could engage sensibly with the arguments put forward, but just basically saying 'No you're wrong because it will be the opposite and I'm right because I've studied economics' just doesn't wash, I'm afraid.

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And yet ITV was in deep trouble just a few years ago when their advertising revenues were hit due to the recession. Can't you see that when advertising no longer brings in sufficient reveue because audiences are going elsewhere for their entertainment, these channels will fold? It costs money to run a channel with decent content on it, despite what you say. Apart from organising schedules, etc, and the costs associated with broadcasting, they have to pay for the rights to show programmes by that method. If you are just showing old junk, I guess you can get the rights for peanuts, but if you are showing what people want to see, now that costs serious money.

It won't be a case of waiting until the last person stops watching scheduled tv before the system is shut down. It will be shut down when it is no longer worth the while of companies to broadcast their wares in that way.

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There are TV channels that operate with a far lower budget then ITV. Literally every single one that isn't run by the BBC.

I agree content costs money, the rest of it is too small to be relevant. ITV, and others can and will maintain a presence even when they are primarily streaming.

I don't know why you ask "can't you see?" the answer is emphatically no. Because your argument has no sound basis in economics.

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Maybe you should expand on that argument, particularly given that this mantra of yours contradicts what the industry itself believes will happen.

In fact, I've been using the economic arguments for some time to add to my case that the streamers will take over from the scheduled channels.

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[QUOTE=jfman;36007022]There are TV channels that operate with a far lower budget then ITV. Literally every single one that isn't run by the BBC.

I agree content costs money, the rest of it is too small to be relevant. ITV, and others can and will maintain a presence even when they are primarily streaming.

I don't know why you ask "can't you see?" the answer is emphatically no. Because your argument has no sound basis in economics.[/QUOTE]

So it is economic to run channels at a loss? Was it the LSE you went to, jfman, or was it the Diane Abbot School of Economics?

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Why should we pay for Britbox when that content is currently available free of charge? You can record things you like and watch them whenever you want (even when the broadband is playing up) which for lots of people is far less messing about than streaming.

Is it right that the BBC proposes to make content exclusively for the paid for Britbox service when we are paying a licence fee to cover its 'free' channels?

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Britbox will turn out to be a totally damp squib as it will arrive to a great fanfare and then disappear about a year or two later.

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Nobody is forcing anyone to subscribe to Britbox. Continue to watch what you want if and when it is scheduled on 'normal' tv if you want to, that is fine for the time being.

In the future, the licence fee will be scrapped and you will be able to access Britbox UK by using that saving to subscribe to the streamer. Or use it somewhere else if that is your preference.

I don't know where you get the idea that you can watch what you want on scheduled tv. If I wanted to watch 'The Bodyguard' right now, how would I do that on scheduled tv? Pray tell, because it totallly eludes me!

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If a series link is set, it will suddenly appear as a pleasant surprise next time it is repeated.

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Regarding Britbox i'm a bit surprised that they didn't try to get channel 4 and channel 5 onboard too.

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[QUOTE=OLD BOY;36007029]Maybe you should expand on that argument, particularly given that this mantra of yours contradicts what the industry itself believes will happen.

In fact, I've been using the economic arguments for some time to add to my case that the streamers will take over from the scheduled channels.

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You haven't demonstrated that it won't be viable for major content owners - who will be streaming - to maintain a linear presence.

Channels are viable with small tens of thousands of viewers such is the low cost of broadcast television.

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Not there and then, though which was my point. And there is no guarantee it will be repeated anyway.

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No, it won't be a damp squib at all. There will be original content on there that isn't available anywhere else, as well as tons of archive material, some of which is currently on Gold, Aibi and the like. You were one of the people who chastised me for saying that the UKTV channels were poor value because most of their material was repeats. You said that there were many people who loved watching programmes over and over. You can't have it both ways.

People will take Britbox for both the original material and for the archive material. Look how popular the i-Player has become.

By the way, this is what will replace the main terrestrial channels and, I believe, the i-Player and ITV Hub in the fullness of time.

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They have been in discussions with Channel 4 and it may well be they will get on board soon. Not sure about whether Chanel 5 will join the club - it would be a neat solution if they did.

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[QUOTE=jfman;36007062] Yes, if they show old or rubbish content. Why would the popular channels incur unecessary expense by getting expensive rights to air on a pay tv channel when they need only load up to a streamer?

You're the economist, you tell me.

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1/ The reason Britbox will fail is one the streaming market is already too deeply concentrated with other streaming services.

2/ How many streaming services do you think people can afford? as there is only so much money that swirls around in people pockets and Britbox is a little pygmy in the land of giants.

3/ People are already paying for much of the content that will be on Britbox.

And there are several other reasons beside.

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Britbox is no i-Player and has had to change its remit to try to survive in the competitive streaming world.

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I guess we will soon see, eh, Den? I dare say there are plenty of people around who would get the Britbox streamer rather than one of the US streamers. I am often astounded by those people who have an aversion to US material, but there are plenty of them out there.

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The terrestrial channels will be there long into the future but of course that does not suit your narrative..

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l have no aversion to content wherever it comes from as long as its decent content at a reasonable price..

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That's not what the TV industry is planning for, Den. Still, I guess you know best...:rolleyes:

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Why would a company who does streaming and linear have to pay for rights twice?

I'm unsure if you are deliberately misrepresenting points or whether you are genuinely incapable of understanding them.

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According to you its you who knows everything and nobody else knows nothing...

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Like a lot of the content is available on the UKTV channels or platforms like Sky have deals with the BBC for Boxsets of its content.

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My understanding is that if a channel has the right to screen a programme on a tv channel, it has to pay more to screen it on demand.

Similarly, I guess that if you have the right to add a programme to a streaming service, you will need to pay more to show it on the TV channel. Is that not correct, then? I think it is.

There is no deliberate misrepresentation on my part, but glad to be corrected if I'm wrong.

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No, I'm just looking at the facts and drawing obvious conclusions.

You seem to look at every prediction for the future and assume nothing will change.

I accept that's what you think, Den. I just don't agree with you.

We are just having a conversation. I don't mind if you disagree, as long as it's not just to cause an argument.

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There is a lot of archive material that will be on Britbox that is not available anywhere else.

As far as the UKTV channels are concerned, I have heard that the BBC-owned ones might be closing soon, but it may just be a rumour. They will go eventually, though, of that I am certain.

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It's in theory possible to split the rights, but why would you? It would only reduce the value - why would Netflix buy streaming rights to a show airing on linear television?

Everyone would generally buys all the rights for exclusivity as it's a huge loophole to try to develop "must see" content folk can enjoy elsewhere.

There's no savings to be had here, only a risk that remaining linear channels buy content on the cheap and it undermines your model.

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Drama+1 was seen testing on satellite recently. Which surprised me. But it was the only BBC owned one without a +1 so I suppose I can see the logic in the short term, especially given Discovery will I assume, if it hasn't already, be moving their exUKTV channels to their own satellite space soon, so UKTV would have free space.

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What evidence - OB has selective memory when he recalls his previous posts/predictions

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Having watched a few US sourced programs I'm not at all surprised there are a lot of people who are averse to it.

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Which is why Britbox may be rather more successful than some people think.

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Stop being so aggressive. I have not contradicted myself. If you disagree, highlight the post(s) you have in mind or justify your comment.

This is a discussion forum. Try to enter into the spirit instead of being an arse.

(Please).

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As per another forum member, the Amazon Prime video app will be closing on 26/9/19 on some Sony TV's:



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I can't see that happening. These channels make money that is ploughed back into making new programmes. The BBC also appear to be expanding the UKTV channels that they ended up with as Drama +1 is again testing on satellite.

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Yes, that is true, and I was just repeating a rumour. They may be safe in the short term.

However, they will be competing with Britbox, so I guess it could go either way.

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Not a good sign for streaming taking over from linear TV if people are going to quickly have to replace their TVs or get add on boxes just to maintain service over time.

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That's the nature of technology, though, isn't it? Vinyl, tapes, CDs and now streaming.

That's why I'm so keen on Virgin Media being a super-aggregator of content. When the technology becomes obsolete, VM is responsible for replacing the hardware as their boxes are rented.

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Well, it is the nature of technology, but not the nature of the consumer.

Televisions manufactured as late as 2013 are affected by this. The average consumer apparently buys a new television every seven years, which will leave a significant number of users with no intention of replacing the set having to explore other options.

It of course suits you to have Virgin, or someone else, manage this however not everyone wants a pay-tv subscription in order to do this. Some people just want to switch their TV on and go.

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It's easy enough to get a Roku or Amazon Fire stick.

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Easy enough for everyone to buy a freeview box, and digital switchover still took 15 years.

It's going to be a PR disaster if streaming is 'standard' yet arbitrarily starts telling everyone they need new hardware to continue viewing.

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Well, it's going to happen. Watch and learn.

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You've been saying this for some considerable time and all that seems to move is the date by which your hypothesised Utopia arises.

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Moreover, digital switchover couldn’t even begin until there existed a free digital terrestrial service that was widely understood to be free. OnDigital and then ITV Digital failed because they looked like just another subscription service and created the impression that it wasn’t possible to get into digital TV if your interests went no further than freely available public service broadcasters.

It wasn’t until the BBC took the lead in rebranding digital terrestrial TV as Freeview that set top box sales began to climb to levels where analogue broadcast switch-off dates could be proposed.

There is a large constituency of TV viewers in the UK who aren’t interested in paying for TV and won’t buy any hardware that’s not essential. They’re never going to buy a fire stick, a Roku, Britbox or Now TV.

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The date - 2035 - has not changed. Only in your own imagination.

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Yes, true in a large part. But in the next decade, there won't be so many people left who don't have a connected TV, so they will be able to access the BBC i-Player, All4, ITV Hub and My 5 or their successors. The government only has to make it a mandatory requirement for TV manufacturers to offer these basic streaming facilities to make this work.

My thought on this is there will be just the one service available for this purpose - Britbox UK with ads.If we no longer have TV channels, the i-Player and hubs will disappear.

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You got your date wrong as it was 2025.;)

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You had Amazon blowing Sky out the water at the last auction, did you not?

Certainly you fell for the reports, presumably leaked by the League to drive up prices, that Amazon were expressing a high level of interest. I wouldn't describe not bidding more than the publicly available 2016-19 bids as a high level of interest, but each to their own.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...82&postcount=9

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Even my decrepit memory can remember that...

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So now we need Government intervention to deliver streaming only solutions by 2035? Well, at least you are recognising that the market isn't the answer. Why would worldwide television manufacturers want to develop software solutions for every single TV market in the world as preferable to offering tried and tested DVB-T tuners and some software solutions in market where this is desirable.

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Once again, and as I explained earlier, 2025 related to broadband coverage, not the demise of scheduled linear channels. Do wake up, Den.

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I said this round or the next round. Accordingly, it is too early to come to the conclusion you have made.

Amazon's high level of interest would have prompted them to bid for the 'bargain basement rights' to test it out.

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To keep their streaming services up to date. Nothing wrong with that.

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Just like a clever obfuscating politician the story changes on a daily basis....

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There's everything wrong with mandating to television manufacturers that they have to continue to support apps that are ten years old on hardware that is ten years old when there's no commercial incentive for them to do so.

They won't want to do it and actually it'd be virtually unenforceable. Are we going to start a trade war with TV manufacturers?

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What’s changed?

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Now I know that this is all a big wind-up on your part. If it’s the law, they have to comply.

Maybe they will set a timeline on it. After all, if your TV or washing machine stops working then it stops working and you have to get another one. I’m not clear on why you think this is any different.

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A law has to be enforceable to ensure compliance. Do people exceed the speed limit? Do people illegally stream television? Of course. Yet these are illegal.

So if a retailer, such as Amazon, is shipping televisions from abroad will we ban them from entering the UK unless there's a guarantee the software will be maintained for ten years?

Add into the mix I'm sure the nations that are major manufacturers of televisions wouldn't particularly like this kind of rule for one small country. It'd never get through trade negotiations.

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A sensible government requirement might be that if one of the designated apps fails to work within, say, ten years, then the manufacturer would have to replace the TV. Hardly onerous.

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Far from sensible that's frankly ludicrous - and simply not going to happen in any way shape or form.

The ability to compel a manufacturer, presumably based abroad as we don't make anything in this country, to adhere to such an arbitrary requirement simply does not exist. The retailer perhaps, but they are just a middleman so why should they suffer?

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I have a connected TV. It's a 2014 model. When I got it, it supported iPlayer, Netflix and YouTube. None of these work any more. This could get quite costly (if I was bothered about streaming; luckily I'm not)

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I think it would be reasonable to take the view that if the streaming services advertised as being on there break after five years, the item was not fit for purpose.

I don’t think consumers should have to put up with this.

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Arbitrary requirement? Come off it! I could see you being well pleased if any expensive device you bought stopped working within five years!

Any trade deal will cover standards expected of manufactured goods. This is no different.

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Surely it's the fault of the streamer for updating something within their delivery to a way that is incompatible with existing hardware?

It'd make more sense to impose a fine or levy on streaming services that don't maintain minimum standards to accommodate the vast, vast, majority of hardware in the market.

The Netflix app is ultimately Netflix software, be it on an iPad, a Sony TV or a Fire Stick. You wouldn't penalise a PC manufacturer because Microsoft stopped updating an old version of Windows.

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Now that is what I call a reasonable suggestion. Happy with that.

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We had a youtube app problem on our 2014 Sony a year or so ago: It had stopped working, the solution was to delete the browser cookies. Youtube had changed their layout but the set didn't pick it up.

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The good thing with Virgin/Sky is with Netflix . Amazon Prime and Youtube on their STB one does not encounter that problem.

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WWE changed their app layout a month and it is no longer supported on out 2017 Panasonic.

We did get an email from WWE as they had detected we had been using it to say it would not work.