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Media Boy UK 08-08-2014 12:43

Re: The Scottish Football Thread
 
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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35720188)
Because of the double standards den. Debrecen got a fine for the same offence, so why didn't UEFA issue the same one to Warsaw? And not only that, Celtic were already 6-1 down on aggregate so what advantage, if any, did the player give Warsaw?

This is what I don't understand, the fact that punishments are differing between teams. Either a fine or a 3-0 win to the other team, not choose which one to give depending on which team it is that breaks the rule.

I think UEFA was thinking about keeping their UK Broadcasters (Sky and ITV) happy - having some UK teams in this round.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35720189)
Its does not matter if the scoreline was 36-0 Mark as clearly a rule was broken and thus UEFA had no option but to chuck them out of the competition.

But Celtic only won on the away goals - UEFA says they won 3 - 0 on Wednesday night.

Hugh 08-08-2014 13:05

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28701951
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Celtic reinstated to Champions League after Legia Warsaw error

Celtic have been reinstated to the Champions League after Legia Warsaw were kicked out of the competition for fielding an ineligible player.

Legia won the third qualifying round tie 6-1 on aggregate but brought on Bartosz Bereszynski in the second leg, while he was supposed to be suspended.

As a result Celtic were handed a 3-0 'walkover' win for the second leg, taking them through on away goals.

LondonRoad 08-08-2014 14:33

Re: The Scottish Football Thread
 
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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35720188)
Because of the double standards den. Debrecen got a fine for the same offence, so why didn't UEFA issue the same one to Warsaw? And not only that, Celtic were already 6-1 down on aggregate so what advantage, if any, did the player give Warsaw?

This is what I don't understand, the fact that punishments are differing between teams. Either a fine or a 3-0 win to the other team, not choose which one to give depending on which team it is that breaks the rule.

Not the same offence. The punishment for fielding a player who is ineligible through suspension are clearly defined in the relevant UEFA article I already quoted.

This didn't apply to Debrecen. The player in that case was ineligible but not because he was serving a suspension.

MalteseFalcon 08-08-2014 14:49

Re: The Scottish Football Thread
 
Regardless of the reason why, Debrecen fielded a player who was ineligible.

LondonRoad 08-08-2014 14:54

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35720226)
Regardless of the reason why, Debrecen fielded a player who was ineligible.

..but you can't disregard the fact that is not the same offence, nor is it covered by the same UEFA articles.

Therefore your comparison is invalid.

colin25 08-08-2014 16:05

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35720172)
Celtic played badly and dont really deserve to be back in.

But Warsaw broke the rules and the punishment is clearly outlined.

There is nothing back door about this decision. Warsaw obviously thought they could get away with breaking the rules.

Agree it is not back door.

I think it was incompetence, more than cheating. Rather silly to forget to register a player to play for a game, so they could show they could be banned

LondonRoad 08-08-2014 16:12

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35720257)
Agree it is not back door.

I think it was incompetence, more than cheating. Rather silly to forget to register a player to play for a game, so they could show they could be banned

I would imagine that the Legia Warsaw fans must be gutted. Feel sorry for them.... apart from those that behaved like Racist asses over there and over here. ;)

colin25 08-08-2014 16:46

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35720258)
I would imagine that the Legia Warsaw fans must be gutted. Feel sorry for them.... apart from those that behaved like Racist asses over there and over here. ;)

Yes. I don't have any issues with the fans, or even the club. But if you make a silly mistake, you still need to pay. Doesn't matter if its 4 minutes or playing 4 minutes or 4 games, the rule is known

Stephen 08-08-2014 18:02

Re: The Scottish Football Thread
 
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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35720226)
Regardless of the reason why, Debrecen fielded a player who was ineligible.

They were ineligible for two very different reasons and as such two different rules and punishments apply.

Henkesghost 08-08-2014 21:31

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Can smell the hurt on here as ever :D:D:D:D

adzii_nufc 08-08-2014 22:02

Re: The Scottish Football Thread
 
Taking from one and giving to the other. Crock of crap to be fair. You replay the game on the basis Celtic were slapped. Kick a team out for fielding a suspended player whom had no effect on the outcome but do absolutely nothing when a player single handedly cheats to deny the Irish a place in the euros. Gotta love that balance! Whomever wrote the rules needs a good spank.

Stephen 08-08-2014 22:12

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Outcome doesn't matter. Warsaw shouldn't have played him at all.

They broke the rules, end of.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-08-2014 00:01

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It seems to me that Celtic can get away with murder. Spurs played them recently, and hammered them. And apart from the fact that Celtic fileded and entire youth side. They klet down both sets of fans and dont give a damn.

Trouble is some Celtic fans think this decision is bad and have said they dont deserve a second chance.

No one has even come out of Celtic and said anything - l wonder if they knew what was happening. And kept it quiet.

Even my wife voted on a forum that she felt Celtic had got a back door entry.

Stephen 09-08-2014 01:52

Re: The Scottish Football Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35720351)
It seems to me that Celtic can get away with murder. Spurs played them recently, and hammered them. And apart from the fact that Celtic fileded and entire youth side. They klet down both sets of fans and dont give a damn. Trouble is some Celtic fans think this decision is bad and have said they dont deserve a second chance. No one has even come out of Celtic and said anything - l wonder if they knew what was happening. And kept it quiet. Even my wife voted on a forum that she felt Celtic had got a back door entry.

Sorry Arthur, there was no back door.

Warsaw broke the rules and were punished. Celtic got away with nothing more than what the rules stated.

As for the friendly with Spurs, thats all it was, celtic didn't have to play the main squad.

LondonRoad 09-08-2014 09:14

Re: The Scottish Football Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35720351)
Spurs played them recently, and hammered them. And apart from the fact that Celtic fileded and entire youth side. They klet down both sets of fans and dont give a damn.

Trouble is some Celtic fans think this decision is bad and have said they dont deserve a second chance.

No one has even come out of Celtic and said anything - l wonder if they knew what was happening. And kept it quiet.

It was a friendly in Helsinki between a Spurs XI and a Celtic XI. It's absurd to expect Celtic, in between 2 champions league qualifiers, to send their strongest team.
We did the same a year ago against Liverpool in Dublin. I don't recall any sour grapes there.. maybe Scousers understand football.

Anyway, the main reason Spurs won was because our admin team were too busy to check the eligibility of all those that played that night. It might turn out it was a 3-0 victory for Celtic.:D


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