Re: smoking and the pub
 

Now now, that's a little reductionist ... it is not simply about protecting bar staff. It is about protecting everyone, including smokers themselves by providing added incentive to quit. That's a far larger constituency than the 54 in your caricature.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I should be so lucky :rolleyes:

Yep, the pubs in Swindon are a lot better and more ventilated than in Scotland apparently, but the traffic jams stink - literally. I spend the best part of an hour each day in traffic... I wish I could spend the same amount of time in the pub too :D

Re: smoking and the pub
 

You're right, we are going round in circles, because no matter how strongly you try to assert the right of the smoker to choose where and when he lights up, you fail to account for the right of the non-smoker not to breathe in the smoke.

Suggesting that the non-smoker should not go to the pub simply will not do. Why should the non-smoker be denied the right to go to the pub? It's as if the willingness to act in the best interests of our health is being portrayed as some kind of moral cowardice!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

1. Currently, yes. (Although do we know this for sure?). Anyway, if smoking becomes banned in pubs, this could very well change.
2. I want to be able to go out in an evening just like everybody else, and not have to worry about damaging my health through passive smoking.
5. But as we have said a thousand times it is not always that simple, some people do not have a choice.
6. I am not denying you the right to enter or dine anywhere.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

It would be worth it if 1 life was saved.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

:tu:

Exactly!!! Never mind all of this only 54 bar staff die every year due to passive smoking. That's a hell of a lot of people!! And yet smoking should still be allowed in public places because otherwise it's an infringement of people's right to choose? ********!! There are 54 families out there mourning the loss of a family member, sod your right to choose!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

One thing missing in the thread is tolerance. Everyone has made their rights known but what about consideration?

It's not a simple question of person A wanting X and person B wanting Y. The issue is weighted in that person A wants X but person B does not want to be damaged by X. However person B's desire does not harm anyone just slightly inconvenience them. In this situation tolerance is needed and not selfishness..

Re: smoking and the pub
 

1. The group is self-selecting, because many non-smokers stay away. It is not a valid, representative group for the purposes of gathering opinion.
2. So a minority of the population make pubs effectively off limits to the majority, whose only crime is to care about their health. Conversely, no-one is forcing you to smoke, apart from your own addictive habit - which you can still indulge in outside, where it affects no-one but yourself.
4. We probably went over it a few dozen times already anyway, don't worry, I'm sure it'll be back ;)
5. So, Johnny Chav, who left school with no GCSEs and no prospects, finds this is the only thing he is fit to do, but he's expected to turn it down (and lose what meagre benefits he might be entitled to as a result) because he cares about his health? You're living in cloud cuckoo land. A great many people are not privileged with the flexible job prospects that some of us have.
6. The only effect on you is an average five minutes added to your life for every fag you don't smoke while sitting in a non-smoking establishment. So sue me. :D




3. Told you it'd turn up!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/0001171.html

Well I'm giving up right now :D

Re: smoking and the pub
 

So bar work is only for thickos then Chris? :rolleyes: How snobbish and judgemental do you get?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

It's a good point. More tolerance in all aspects of life. :tu:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

That is not what I said, not what I intended to say, and if you could stop being Miss Angry for a few seconds this afternoon it would be abundantly clear to you.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

You were implying that if you don't do well at school the only kind of job you'd be able to do is bar work. Or did I read it wrong?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I'm afraid that's how I had interpreted it too... although I'm sure that was not what was intended :(

edit: oops, meant was not intended... my bad :)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

He wasn't saying that bar work is only for thickos. That is twisting the words. As far as I understood, the basis of what he was saying that it is difficult to get work these days without qualifications, but bar work is one of the few things you can do. That doesn't mean only people without qualifications do bar work.