Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Sales tax receipts goes to the governments, not Netflix, how is that relevant here? Of course prices are different and its not straight forward. I already mentioned last week the new Indian mobile tier for a few dollars. Some tiers may be around $10, some under and some over, but I was roughly using your £8.99 as a base figure.

On debts, the banks recently gave Netflix another $2billion, so I don't see plug pulling anytime soon.

On your last point, agree. The tech giants have massive amounts of cash and can blow anyone out of the water if they so choose, but I would see Netflix probably getting acquired by one of them in the future, rather than them trying to compete head on with Netflix. I actually think that all the "old" media cos will get acquired by the big tech cos in the end because essentially they're all operating in the same space now.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

They could blow anyone out the water, but again we are conflating “deep pockets” and business models. They’re not charities, they’re capitalist enterprises.

Netflix getting acquired and restructured into a bigger player is essentially accepting my point that the current business model is fatally flawed. A profitable company could generate tax efficiencies from the debt, and the customer base is its only real asset.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

But as you know full well, they're in their growth stage. Remember how long it took Rupert Murdoch to make actual money out of Sky after he launched it.

You seem to be almost wondering why Netflix aren't paying dividends like "proper" companies and that is because they're busy growing first. They have a massive first mover advantage here, the same as Sky did.

If you're expecting dividends from Netflix, try again in about 5-7 years, if you're lucky.

I do not accept at all that their business model is fatally flawed. 151m customers and billions in annual revenues suggest otherwise.

On deep pockets, fatally flawed, business models etc, the best example is Amazon. It took them a long time to generate a profit because they were grabbing as much market share as they could and that is exactly what Netflix is doing now.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

They’re in their growth stage but it’s already stalling in North America.

I’ve no interest in whether Netflix pay dividends to shareholders or otherwise. It’s easy to pluck a successful company out the air and predict that’s what Netflix are doing. Just as easily I could pluck a name from the .com boom in the 90s that was valued at billions and no longer exist.

Their position in the market is thus far untested. It’s very much an assumption that it can stave off any competition as and when it arrives. All at a time it is experiencing slower growth, having to shell out more on rights and implement price rises for what many consider to be a low value add on to a primary subscription.

---------- Post added at 23:39 ---------- Previous post was at 23:22 ----------

Ah, you’re literally sitting here talking up your own stock portfolio.

Makes sense now.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The North American figures were expected to stall, as I'm sure you know.

Their position in the market is number one and for a while and maybe again, they became the world's largest media company. I don't see how that is untested. What test would they have to pass in your view?

They compete everyday with other media companies for eyeballs, Disney et all still run tv channels and subscription services. And I'm not assuming that the other streamers may not hurt them, they may when they're up and running, but that's not happening yet or anytime soon.

Slower growth? Are you going by the last quarter's results here?? They're American growth is slowing and that was expected, but intentionally they're still motoring along. Yes they pay more for rights, as does everyone else and yes, they do implement prices rises from time to time, just like "proper" companies do.

151 million customers pay for Netflix, whether they consider a low value add on or not, they still pay.

---------- Post added at 23:45 ---------- Previous post was at 23:40 ----------

You think me talking here on a Saturday night on a UK forum, will affect the share price of a American company?:) If only I had that power!

I also own Disney, did own Sky, own Discovery and others. As I'm so powerful to move share prices, I'll talk about all of them now.:D

What exactly is your beef with Netflix?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The figures weren’t expected to stall, hence the share price dip and statement on the matter. It’s historical revisionism to claim this is all trundling along as expected.

These will be the same paying customers, and eyeballs, that get dismissed when I point out they both pay for and watch linear television.

As you know low value add ons are more at risk to competition and, in times of recession, changes in consumer habits.

I don’t see how you can find much of what I say controversial when just five months ago you said similar.

I wouldn’t say the events between then and now make option 1 less likely.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I don't watch ads, life is too short, FF is such a wonderful thing

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Oh it is, but atleast with streaming services you don't even have to do that currently.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

So he should stop watching all the programs he enjoys now, subscribe to a further service he doesn’t at present want, all to avoid the minor inconvenience of hitting fast forward and play three times an hour.

I’m not sure what planet the streaming fundamentalists are on. I say this as a subscriber to three streaming services! (I’d forgot about one).

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

In theory that might happen, however the apathy of customers in general will mean most will add a streamer to get content they particularly want and then fail to cancel when that ends - reviewing when they get notification of a price rise.

I cannot see Amazon adding many long term customers on the back of 2 midweek rounds of PL in December (except those detailed in previous sentence).

I suspect many will take the free month and cancel as I will do.

---------- Post added at 10:50 ---------- Previous post was at 10:47 ----------

Currently is the big word - if linear services do decline dramatically advertisers will be looking for new avenues and streaming will be the obvious opportunity. I suggest this means anyone who wants streaming without ads will then need to pay a large premium.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

A good proportion of those taking the trial will decide to continue to take the service.

It seems to me that Amazon is being very cautious with the Premiership football rights. They are clearly testing the waters with a view to taking a big decision in the future. If they do take the plunge and make a serious bid against Sky and BT next time around, football fans will not be able to take their free month trial and cancel. They will sign up at least for the full season, and they will have been drawn in.

It will be very interesting to see their pricing policy if that happens.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

So many people on this site with business degrees, Are many of you CEO,s on multinationals be any chance ?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I haven’t seen anyone claim they have a business degree. Neither is one required to run a business, and there’s some bad CEOs around.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Of course not, he was making a comparison based on ease of use.

I, too, still watch scheduled TV, but via recordings, and all three of my recorders are pretty full. But I know that will change over the next few years. The number of shows I am keen on seeing now has fallen and it continues to decline. I hardly recorded anything this week and it is becoming more difficult to find good programmes.

However, the day will come when everything is on the streamers and I will no longer need my recorders. That day cannot come soon enough for me.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Some are doing that now as they tend to subscribe for certain series and events and then cancel.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

We are already paying a price for ad free services. If streamers start to include commercials, the most likely effect will be to reduce or eliminate existing subscription rates.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Will they? If they are doing so for Premiership football it’s eleven months till the next fixture. I’d say it’s speculative to say many will retain the service. Amazon Prime is already a popular product for those who want fast/free delivery anyway.

Of course they’re cautious it’s a huge sum of money and a huge risk without guaranteed profits at the other end.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Actually young man l certainly don't have a business degree but l do have GCSE's in English , maths , geography and history.;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

That is true, but if Amazon acquired Premiership rights from Sky/BT, that little weeze would be well and truly scuppered as those slippery customers won't be able to watch matches for the remainder of the season.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

He can work the Internet it’s not rocket science. Another way to experience life without adverts is to watch a BBC programme.

You could just self select into streaming now?

Ah right Mrs Old Boy won’t let you. :)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Ifs , buts and maybes but its been ifs , buts and maybes for many a year now...

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Oh, that one again. Look if Sky and BT can make money out of it, then so can Amazon. Your argument ignores this reality.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

True, but we come back to the 7 billion dollar question of how they make that work.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Strange that he has such a great inertia to make the full switch to streaming as he has said it for many a year now.;)

---------- Post added at 11:13 ---------- Previous post was at 11:11 ----------

And your thought process ignores the realities of why Amazon such a big streaming company has not blown Sky and BT out of the water long before now.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

That the all mighty Amazon with billions at their disposal didn’t make a single meaningful bid despite the value of the rights dropping last time round.

You seem to ignore the point of the rights auction. If Sky/BT can do it anyone can appears to be your attitude. There comes a point where someone thinks they can and everyone else thinks it’s not worth the risk - the winning bid. The Sky/BT bids last time.

That’s the cold, hard, reality Old Boy.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I subscribe to Netflix so don't really have any kind of a beef , that said I wouldn't be buying any shares in it anytime soon for the reasons stated.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The cold, hard reality is that Amazon is testing the waters. They will want to know if they can introduce a streaming service that is as good or better than conventional broadcasting. They will want to see how many actually watch the matches they have acquired over the Christmas period. I do believe they are serious about this. Only this week, they have introduced a new series 'Back of the Net' that each week will look back at the last weekend's Premiership action, hosted by Peter Crouch. Also on Amazon is a six-part series 'Take Us Home, Leeds United' and another weekly series called 'Inside Borussia Dortmund' which goes behind the scenes of the top German football club during Bundesliga's 2018-19 season. Why the sudden interest in football documentaries, I wonder? Answers on a postcard please....

As for your 'anyone can do it' jibe, it is pretty obvious that any company wanting to bid for the Premiership rights needs big trouser pockets. Amazon's are way bigger the Sky's and BT's, so I really don't understand this mental block of yours which compels you to continue denying that this could happen. It could, and I think that is obvious to most people. There is no barrier to prevent it, apart from your own dark imagination.

Let's agree to disagree. I can't bear to keep going over these same old arguments. I am never going to convince you, and you are certainly not going to convince me. Only a few short years before we see the truth of the matter.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

You really like to put words into other people mouths don't you! :rolleyes:

I have never said anything of the sort it was just suggested he could try a free trial seeing has he has never tried a streaming service before, that was it.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

That reality is neither particularly cold, nor particularly hard. They've been offered rights at a knockdown price where neither Sky or BT were exercised enough to meet the reserve price in the first round or come back in at round two.

So many questions as to the viability of the high cost, high risk business model. Glad to have you on board.

There's a massive gulf between low cost football documentaries and high value football rights. If they want the Bundesliga and the Premiership that's even greater cost (and risk!)

They need a viable business model!

And what changes between now and then?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Den, we've been over and over this. I do subscribe to streaming services and a lot of my viewing comes from there. However, at the present moment, there are also some good programmes scattered amongst the junk that I want to see. So it is too early at this stage to make any decisions to ditch the scheduled channels. 2035 is still 15 years away - you need to pace yourself. A lot will happen between now and then.

While true to say that Amazon hasn't 'blown Sky out of the water' as you put it on football rights, the fact is that they have chosen not to do so up until now. There are many reasons for that, including the technical difficulties with streaming such as latency and broadband coverage, but as these difficulties get resolved, the idea becomes more attractive.

The fact that they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they never will, that is a really pathetic argument. Everything has to start somewhere.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I really think there's an under appreciation of the gravity of the most recent Premier League rights auction.

Let's pretend we're the strategists at Sky.

JF: Right Den it's that time again, how much are we putting in for the Premier League rights?
Den: Less than last time. (both laugh excessively)
JF: Okay stop clowning around. Get a coffee and come back and we'll discuss it seriously.
Den (returns with two coffees): Right, less than last time I wasn't joking.
JF: But all I read is these digital marketing blogs telling me streaming is the future. Scudamore is saying Amazon are in.
Den: Not happening mate.
JF: Seriously?
Den: Nah, BT is the only credible bidder, and we've got our cushy wholesale deal so they're not going to push.
JF: Virgin?
Den: Nah, cheapest way they get the Prem is through BT, and us. Wholesale deal is due next year so they'll not rock the boat.
JF: Okay we will need to run this past the boss.

The Boss: What? I don't pay you two to come up with rubbish ideas. Give me something credible.
JF: This is credible.
The Boss: Not even inflation? Not even 1% a year more?
Den: Not a penny more. Less.

Scenario continues until someone at the very top signs of essentially betting the business model of the whole UK and Ireland operation on there being no Amazon, no Facebook, no Google, no Apple in the auction.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Have you ever thought about being a script writer.;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I would not recommend jfman as my strategist to plan my meals for the week, let alone to advise me on streaming services!

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Strange how your deadlines seem to change year depending on which year fits your narrative OB.;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

If it's any consolation I wouldn't trust you to budget for the week. We'd run out of money by the Wednesday because you didn't realise we didn't have infinite income and that the limited income had to correspond to outgoings.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Don't forget about Amazon run their business with a clear business model though as its strange that they have had many chances to blow Sky and BT out of the water up to now but have chosen not to do so based on the simple reason that it does not fit their profitable business model.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The views posted here seerggest that posters at the very least are on the top tiers of business.cleary knowing more that the CEO,s currently in place. I make no claim to understanding the business model that is being used. What l prefer is an other matter but if it makes business sense is very open to questioning .In fact l very much doubt my preference would make much money. Give up trying correct typo !!!! I hate tablets on the train !! And auto spell check !!!!!!!

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

2035 remains the goal. I said back in 2015 that in 20 years' time, the linear channels would no longer exist. I'm not altogether understanding what you think has changed. 20 years from 2015 is 2035 unless my maths is letting me down.

---------- Post added at 13:21 ---------- Previous post was at 13:19 ----------

Tell that to the Netflix and Amazon CEOs. Clearly, you know so much more than them. I am sure they would greatly appreciate your counsel and wind up their companies immediately.

---------- Post added at 13:23 ---------- Previous post was at 13:21 ----------

No, for the simple reason that there have been so many technical difficulties with streaming.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

One of us will have probably gone the way of the dodo by then ;) so your answer is a bit like a politicians answer which has no clear ending to it.

---------- Post added at 13:31 ---------- Previous post was at 13:29 ----------

And that is suddenly going to change....

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Whether you and I are around at the time will make no difference to the outcome.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Well, I was a Head of Technology* for a multi-national Financial Services Company, and the CEO drove it into the ground, so, like every walk of life, CEOs are only humans, and prone to mistakes.

*also been a Senior Programme Manager for a multi-national Telecomms Company. iT Director at a University, and a Head of Programmes for a multi-national Utilities company, and my Masters is in "Computing in Business’ - does that count?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I don’t see why Amazon would need my advice. I’ve stated making profit from a Premier League auction in the three year window as challenging and they didn’t bid in the first round - they seem closer to my way of thinking than yours from my vantage point here.

Nor did Netflix. I’m sure they’re fully aware of the challenges facing them as well and will be monitoring the situation quarter on quarter.

You yourself seem to see the challenges as well, was it not you that suggested in future platforms like Virgin will become ‘content aggregators’ and that will generate increased revenue for the streamers? Not that I see how that as wildly different from the present - only the delivery method you seem to be contending will change.

So many difficulties, so few solutions.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

And the outcome won't fit your very narrow narrative as it has quite clearly failed to do in these last 10 years but there is nothing like moving the goalposts when it suits your convenient agenda.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

It would be a smash hit on the comedy channel.....;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

What exactly has changed? My goalposts are in exactly the same position as they have always been.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

No they are not, as you well know. Not for the first time, I feel compelled to remind you what you said the first time you brought this subject up, early in 2015:

Post 63, in this thread: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33699901

“10+ years” on from 2015 (ie sometime after 2025) is a freaking great big difference to around 2035, as you’ve been postulating more recently.

I know you’ll never admit it but the arguments presented here, and the realities in the TV marketplace, have forced you to shift your goalposts significantly. Which is no shame, by the way, it’s a perfectly reasonable outcome of any discussion.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

So, when do you think significant changes will arrive, Chris?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Ah, is that the source of the confusion? What I was referring to was access to broadband at an appropriate speed. I did say that very clearly in the quote.

I have always said that I believe that scheduled channels will be no more by 2035. The evidence of that is there on my past posts.

---------- Post added at 19:23 ---------- Previous post was at 19:19 ----------

Ok, then, Den, indulge me. What exactly did I say would happen in those 10 years that has not happened?

Sky Atlantic is the only forecast that didn't come about that I can think of, old chap.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The Premier League TV rights you predicted several times would be bought by one of the big streaming companies , Well that has certainly not happened as anybody can see.

You also predicted the demise of Linear TV but alas that prediction seems to be akin to changing the goalposts when it suits your convenient narrow agenda.

Then you yourself have predicted that you would abandon being a Pay TV customer to switching totally to subscribing to streaming subscriptions but alas that seems to have tanked lately as its obvious that someone else is wearing the trousers in your household.;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Indeed, as far as I can tell there’s never been more linear channels on Virgin than there are today. Now if we follow that obvious direction of travel ;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Really? Do you know what these channels are? Thx.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I’m just going by the headline figures on their website and the total channels referred to on the box.

I don’t watch much TV - I couldn’t name every series on Netflix or Amazon Prime either. :)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

There is a nice list for you to look at here MM.;)

https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...-channel-guide

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

My eyes are bleeding at the diverse range of content on there. ;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

To be fair most of it is bollocks and passed over when channel flicking.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Hate to play devils advocate Den but technically Amazon have got some EPL rights now even though it isnt much...

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

But that’s the thing, it’s financially viable to transmit hundreds of channels of all kinds of bollocks 24/7. Probably most of it has a tiny number of viewers. That’ll continue to be the case and why linear services longer than many expect.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I imagine a lot of the content shown by streamers is either bollocks or repeats

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Thats the ones they snapped up for next to nothing as no one else wanted that package.

---------- Post added at 20:18 ---------- Previous post was at 20:15 ----------

This is a fair bit of crap on all of them as people subscribe generally on the basis that there are a few very good series worth paying for.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

It’s just telly by a different delivery method.

A small amount of excellent stuff, a lot of old stuff.

---------- Post added at 20:20 ---------- Previous post was at 20:19 ----------

As with all pay-tv.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Well probably as everyones taste is different but there is a bit more control on what gets streamed i think.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Spot on...

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

You have totally ignored the timescales I attached to those statements! I think you have a perception issue, Den. :D

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

l suppose your idea of a timescale is how long is a piece of string...;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

No. 2022 for the Premier League and 2035 for the demise of linear channels. That is what I have said, very clearly, throughout. It beats me why you are so confused about this. These are the only years you have to remember, and by the way, they haven't happened yet!

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Very clearly as a description of something is a bit different to what you famously quoted here 4 and a half years ago then..

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Someone set me a reminder to come back here in 2022.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Again, Den, that is about broadband coverage, not the demise of linear channels. Are you deliberately trying to confuse everyone?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I think you are confusing everyone by repeating the same points with revised dates.

If broadband isn't solved for ten years from 2015 why will the Premiership in 2022 be any different from 2019?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

No confusement on my part as that lies elsewhere...

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

So you say, every time I remind you of it. I suspect you’ve said it so often you’ve convinced yourself it’s true. However I provided the link to the thread from 2015 so anyone sufficiently curious can read the context and the wider discussion and see for themselves that when you first climbed on this hobby horse of yours, you really did think it would be all over for the linear channels in around 10 years.

Of particular interest is your response to the point made about the 10-yearly BBC charter review process which, by its nature, would tend to prolong the presence of linear TV channels in decade-long blocks of time. You engaged with that point but somehow managed not to say anything about being misunderstood with regards to predicting the end of linear broadcast in 10 years from 2015.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Had you gone on to read further, in post #129, I clarified my position on that, as clearly there was some confusion about the 10 years. I stated:

Things will look a lot different by 2025, but the process won't be complete by then. I would think in 20 years, the number of linear channels will have diminished to a handful, if that. There simply won't be enough people watching in this way to sustain the advertising.

It is there for you to see in black and white.

As I said, the quote you brought to our attention above was clearly referring to broadband, and even then, a short time after that, I clarified that full broadband coverage may take a little longer. However, I have stuck to the 2035 prediction I made regarding linear channels and that has not varied. I did not say anything about that 'contradiction' because there wasn't one. The 10 years referred to broadband coverage, which I said would make things look rather different.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

How will people consume news - you know the popcorn out stuff - disaster coverage of tsunamis, missing teenagers, earthquakes, volcanos and explosions in white countries other than on a 24/7 linear channel?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I watch Sky News Live via youtube. Streaming for news already exists if you want it.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

It's still a linear broadcast, it's the method of delivery that's different.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

OB ... that’s the point at which it became clear you were changing your mind. It wasn’t you who brought broadband infrastructure into the thread. Fast broadband availability was the first and most obvious objection to your original claim. It was put to you and you took it on board, even though it now pains you to admit it.

Post 128, which you were answering in post 129, asked “I thought it was 10?” - because up to that point that was your argument and everyone participating at the time understood that to be the case. Your wee body-swerve in post 129 was a neat attempt to claim you had always believed what in fact you had recently been persuaded of by others, but nobody bought it then, and it’s clear from recent comments in this thread that nobody’s buying it now.

You’re caught bang to rights. Just admit it (I know you won’t).

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Have you never heard of the BBC i-Player? That carries live programmes as well as VOD and works perfectly well.

---------- Post added at 15:22 ---------- Previous post was at 15:15 ----------

Chris. Post #129 was just a few weeks after the one you flagged, and this was way back in 2015! I accept that maybe the posts could have been clearer, but I was not really concentrating on a specific timespan until then. The 10 years clearly referred to broadband, and that is made perfectly clear in the very post you highlighted.

Whatever you believe, I would not have been so daft as to say the pay tv channels will more or less all be closed down in 10 years. If that's the way you and some others read it, I accept that, but it was not what I meant. I have said 20 years consistently since 2015 and you will not find any post from me that says differently.

---------- Post added at 15:26 ---------- Previous post was at 15:22 ----------

Well of course it is a linear broadcast. Nobody said it wasn't. And yes, it is the method of delivery that is different. I'm not sure what point you are making, since I think we are all aware of that.

We are essentially debating the ease of access to VOD material - v - scheduled tv channels.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

There's no need to be cheeky because Chris is mopping the floor with your incoherent argument.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I wasn't being deliberately cheeky, just factual! :D

As for incoherent, now that's cheeky.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Here's Amazon the great market disrupter going to bring cheap Premiership football from all, deep pockets and blowing Sky out the water. It's a full house in the bingo card all in one place.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...4&postcount=44

Now they didn't bid, the rights value fell (as predicted by Sky) but it'll all be different in 2022, with no explanation why?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

It's strange that you seem to think that because something has not happened yet that it never will.

All of this has already been explained, jfman. Clearly, there's not much news around today. :rolleyes:

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The rules of CF:

Old Boy has only ever said things that later come true. If it didn’t come true, he never said it, even if he did.

;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

:o:

You just need to read the posts. And read the words as they are. I hope that's not too much to ask.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Which many of us have done.;)

---------- Post added at 19:08 ---------- Previous post was at 19:07 ----------

Very much in clear English and fully understood as well.;)

---------- Post added at 19:10 ---------- Previous post was at 19:08 ----------

l think its not too much to ask that you read your posts OB clearly and concisely without missing out the inconvenient bits.;)

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

If I were an Amazon shareholder I’d be furious, given how easy it is to turn a profit on £5bn of football rights, that they hadn’t even bid this time around. Not even a meagre “what Sky paid last time” bid, let alone a “blow them out the water one”.

If something hasn’t happened (and indeed, might never happen!) my main question would be what factors would have to change and when to make it happen.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The whole streamers winning the PL rights in the UK was bigger up by Scudamore (the then CEO of EPL) - presumably to try to scare Sky/BT to continue to substantially raise their bids (I suspect he got wind of their reluctance to do so and hyped up other interested parties to keep the rights going through the roof) this ploy obviously didn't work.

Yes, the streamers have 20 matches (all games from 2 midweek rounds in December) - minor package(s) no-one bid high enough for in the 1st round of bidding.

I have never seen a figure for how much Amazon paid, nor do I expect to as they pep rob ably signed a NDA to get them so cheaply.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I can confirm, I have often been called incoherent. :D

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Now TV HD and the addition of Now TV to the BT platform have been suspended indefinitely.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Any source of that Richard?.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

BT delay: https://www.invernessreds.co.uk/dela...tnership-deal/

Now TV HD delay: https://www.rxtvlog.com/2019/08/now-...st-trials.html

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Thanks Richard.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

I think we're looking at two separate things there, both are delays but suspended indefinitely makes it sound like Now may not come to BT.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

And if it ain't coming to BT then anybody who thought it would be coming to Virgin soon after obviously got their information completely wrong.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Haven't Sky said by the end of the year ?

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

What they say and what happens can be two sides of a coin MM.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

A Sky employee on the Sky Community stated it was looking like Autumn at the earliest.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

The Sky/BT deal has only been suspended for a few months. I believe there are technical reasons for this.

It is interesting to note that we won't be getting our UHD and additional on demand programming from Sky until next year either. I think the two are connected.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Which could mean probably towards the end of Autumn if then..

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

People are speculating that it might be because the new owners want to roll Now TV into Sky X. I hope not.

Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 

Media Boy Sources has reveal "Nowtv on BT this is still on schedule for end of the year."