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Message popped up last night (LE11). Mostly looking forward to the speed increase!

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Well, I'd ask for a better implementation of default padding; i.e., user defined. The way they've done it, as they would say in Tivo's origin country, 'just sucks'!

The rest, I welcome.

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Nottingham down for an update on 17 Nov 2011 but still sitting at 15.1 so probably take the 2am with a pinch of salt - perhaps its 2am tomorrow morning ?

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Thats a bit harsh on the implementation of the default padding but yes l agree the rest is very welcome and at the end of the day Tivo still knocks spots off anything else.

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Today is the 16 th.

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Ha ha ha

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The padding isn't the issue, but having an express series link that defaults to only saving ten episodes on a box that has 1 tb of storage is crazy, and means I'll still have to do it the long way round. They've just spent a long time working on it and the end result, for me at least, will be of no benefit. Shame. Looking forward to the increase in speed very much though.

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Not really IMHO. As I've said before, I reckon they used an apprentice ---- on his first day ---- to do that bit. There is no other logical explanation!

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Well as one of Muppetman's apprentices;):D l hope l don;t get the blame but remember we are not going to be happy about everything are we.

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Info I posted last week was right at time of posting - you can find this info on my blog at http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/ (Use link at top of blog called ''TiVo updates dates''.)

But all the dates on my list is still subject to change.

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Yes l have been looking at your blog since it relaunched and as usual its a excellent read MB.:)

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When I used to have the old original Tivo, if an update was on your Tivo waiting to be installed at 2am it would say in system info " Update Pending" , you would know that your Tivo would be updated then.

Will something like this happen on Virgin's Tivo?

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But default padding is also not as bad as others are making it to be and in fact is what I want. I manually set padding on every series link set up effectively reflecting what will be default now.

Works fine for me except for 2 points (a) overlap of 3 recordings of 1 at 8-9 and 2 at 9-10pm means 3 tuners used during overlap so stops me watching live TV on other channels – clipping needs to happen to drop padding on back to back programmes like V+, (b) default includes 10 episodes but I have 1TB box and if a series is more than 10 episodes and I record them all before watching, I will lose recoded episodes to the deleted folder.

So not perfect agree but padding is a basic need to make sure you capture a programme, the issues above need to be address not padding set by default, although I also think Tivo needs to allow you to set those default values not the box.

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Got a letter and message this morning.

:)

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I use zero padding for any evening show when 3 tuners are sometimes needed just for the 3 shows, so no free tuners to cater for padding requirements. And, I haven't had any real issues with this method. Now, I will have to go into every recording I set up and delete the padding.

It's so obvious that different people use different padding settings, so not making the default padding user defined is, in my view:

lack of understanding/stupidity/incompetance; take your pick! :)

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Interesting, so you take the risk of missing the start/end of a programme to avoid the consequences of overlapping recordings while I take the opposite approach.

As you say, everybody has a different approach so agree Tivo needs to give that user defined flexibility. However, from my perspective a padding of 0 as with V15.1 software is a default I don't want!

Forgot to mention that we use the +1 channels to avoid the impact of overlaps, be it that I have to watch a programme in SD instead of HD. That has reduced the issue of 3 tunrs having to be used when I actually want to watch another live channel to around once per month from what was once per week before. Its only for a few minutes when it does happen so we put up with that knowing with the padding set, we are virtually gauranteed to capure all of a programme even if it is running slightly late (a frequent case for BBC and Sky channel programmes I find).

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I got the letter this morning too, on the back it says Spotify on TiVo launches 29th November.

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Great news.;)

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Yep posted it in the coming soon thread.

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Also got the letter this morning updating between the 17th and 24th November, cool!

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Ahh, didn't spot that. :)

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Virgin Media has given out the list on when TiVo users will get their box updated.

Some areas has been moved back by the few days.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...9&postcount=65

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Thats a odd change to make, bump Birmingham up by a few days on its own then do huge geographical areas in very big groups.

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I assume any area not shown on the linked on that list will have already been updated?

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Thanks MB Darlington last as usual :rolleyes:

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l see my area will be on the 24th from the Newton Abbot area.

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Will the new update be preloaded on TiVo boxes that are being installed after the 25th November?

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I should have mentioned that we don't have TiVo at the moment but will get it soon i think.

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The box will pick it up as part of the installation

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Will it still take an hour then to update? Could be a long install time for the engineer in that case.

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No, that's only when moving from 15.1 to 15.2. Besides, it's "up to" an hour. In most cases it is a lot less.

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That's why TiVo installs are timed to be longer than the V Box installs ;)

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Got the update,gutted that it's not fixed my HDMI problem,I am still outputting at 576p when I was hoping for 720p and 1080i.

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There is a new 'Twilight' app. I'm sure the Mrs will like that.

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Can't check the new 'You Tube'. It's been hanging on 'Please Wait' for ages and now that it's loaded there are no video's there whatsoever.

I'm enjoying my new Tivo so far! :rolleyes:

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Same here. I haven't used the youtube app for a while, but from explore this show, it worked great, showing a list of related videos. Now it's a completely different interface; is this a result of 15.2 or was it changed previously?

And one thing I can't seem to work out how to do is get back to the Explore this show menu I accessed Youtube from; previously, I just kept pressing the left arrow key. I'm probably missing something obvious.

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A service call is still 28mins for a Tivo, so if we need to swap a Tivo, techs dont wait to check everythings updated, theres simply not enough time given

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mine has been updated, i did have an issue when i got up but rebooted and all ok. Im gutted that the guide issue hasnt been foxed so when your on a channel and goto guide it starts from the very top

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I take it you've gone into audio output settings on Tivo and deselected everything except 1080i so it only outputs on this option. That is how mine is set but I think if Tivo auto detects a TV whose default is less than 1080i, it will select that, not sure if you can force it to a higher setting in that case.

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The twighlight app is on my 15.1 so I guess it's just a new app for all, my 15.1 youtube was also sticking last night so again may not be related to 15.2

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Woke up to find the TiVo 15.2 had landed here in Grimsby. The interface seems a lot snappier, paging up/down and switching channels (as has already been mentioned).

The only problem I've had so far is accessing the new YouTube App. I open it, no video loads, and it just gets stuck on the first screen. Hopefully, I'll have access to it a bit later.

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Google need to sort out the app, COME ON GOOGLE!!

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Got the update, only crap thing so far is the youtube app!

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The Twilight app has appeared on my box in Darlington and I have the 15.1 software.

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Apologies if these questions have been addressed before - I don't have the stomach to trawl through the previous 400 pages!

1) Is the box to box streaming included in this update?
2) Does it sort the issue with the Scart output not working when an HDMI cable is attached but the TV is off? I hope so because it will then allow me to archive without leaving my TV on all day!

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1 - The option is there but currently disabled
2 - Yes sorts this issue out

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This probably me being stupid, but I can't figure it out.

I go to 'Explore this show', select 'Bonus features', then the Youtube search, which brings up the new YT interface with related videos

But how do I get back to the 'explore this show' page that I came from?

The only way I can get out of youtube gets me to live TV

It worked fine with the old youtube interface.

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Does the left arrow or clear not take you back ?

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Tried the left arrow, but not clear; I'll try that.

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Brilliant, thanks; clear works.

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Yeah tried that mate,it says all other formats are unsupported. I'll have to persude the Mrs that we ought to have a bigger screen TV for Christmas.

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YouTube working for me now - like the fact you can watch YouTube movies in HD - they look great on a large(ish) TV. Just wish there was a way to go into browse mode from the YouTube start screen. It looks like you have to do a search first, before you can browse.

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Very odd,I now have the original You Tube UI. Has it been rollled back to the 15.1 version?. I tried playing a video I posted in 1080p and it is not in HD now.

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If anyone is interested I have created a simple TiVo net remote for Windows 7 which works with the VM TiVo (except for the coloured buttons as I cannot find the code for those yet).

Feel free to give it a try, have not managed to test it on anything other than my laptop, so let me know how you get on.

Basically a picture of a Vm Tivo remote which you can click on the buttons to send to Tivo.

You can also type on the keyboard to send text to search boxes such as when searching all tv. Typing numbers sends the Number to the TiVo.

Software here http://www.andypwheeler.pwp.blueyond...emoteV0.01.zip

Let me know how you get on. Plenty of improvements can be made after reading up on what can be sent.

You will need to have your TiVo connected to your home network, and have Network Remote Control enabled on your Tivo.

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When installing the TiVo commander app on my 1TB TiVo,, the app comes up with a ! and states @this app only works with a tivo premiere device, not series 2, series 3 or HD@ and does not connect. it finds the tivo, but just wont connect, i have put MAK in, and also the IP, it just hangs there!? any ideas?

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Have you enabled Settings -> Network Remote Control on the TiVo?

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I had this.

Turned things off and on in the network menus - rebooted the router - and it then worked.

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So now the update is almost rolled out, they said there were going to be subsequent updates released in quick succession. What features will those updates bring ( apart from red button! ) ?

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Or just correctly prioritise your series links. Remember that a high priority will clip padding off a lower priority.

IMO it's better to have the padding and use the clipping/priority, than not have it and miss the end of a show.

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My friend wants to replace his normal V+ box with a tivo and the question is how much would this cost for him.

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£49.95 install, and £3 a month if on XL or £2 a month less if on M+ or L, and either

£0 activation for the 500GB box or

£49.95 activation for the 1TB

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Thanks Ben and now he has to convince his wife to get it.

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Is anyone else having issues with the Comedy Central HD EPG? In my experience, this channel seems to have the most problems on TiVo.

My Two and a Half Men & Threesome series links are set to new only and yet seems to record every showing throughout the week even though the repeats do not have a new tag. The only way to stop this is to not delete the show after I've watched it so it forces the box to use the 28 day rule.

Is there anywhere to report issues like these as and when they come up?

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I don't record things I don't want to watch, so all my recordings are equal priority.

Also, changing the priority order seems to take tivo a long time to process, so deleting the padding is probably quicker. The point is, if the hadn't made such a hash of implementing default padding, and done it properly, everyone would have been happy.

V+ got padding spot on for me; it dropped it completely when necessary. So the vast majority of the time your shows were padded,

I've had no serious issues with zero padding on tivo, so that's how I will keep using it.

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Re. Comedy Central EPG:
I've had the same, but even by not deleting the episode didn't solve it. I ended up with about 10 of the same episode as they were all just generic Two and a Half Men with no episode info at all.

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Comedy Central are only providing generic listings to Tribune for South Park (new), Two and a half men (new) and Threesome.. it's a known issue.

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Thanks DF, I had noticed the descriptions have been the same every week for a while. As long as someone is aware/looking at it then it's not a major issue I suppose.

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You can't rely on the HDMI auto-detect picking up all the resolutions... mine never does. Tell TiVo specifically which resolution you want by going to Settings -> Video Output - Video Output Format and using the Test Formats option. Any modern 1080i/1080p capable set should manage all of them.

When it's done that and all the resolution boxes are checked, deselect all but the one you want to use (in my case I use 1080i, as 1080p is only 25Hz and all the channels look jerky). Best way to go, in my experience.

Oh, and don't forget to put your TV into Screen Fit or Just Scan mode so you don't get overscan on the HD channels, cutting off the edges of whatever you're trying to watch. No point having a HDTV if it's not setup properly... seriously, I've seen some so badly configured that the results are worse than going into a CRT TV!

It doesn't quite work like that.

TiVo works on a "first add, first record" basis. This means the first show you add as a Series Link is considered top priority, and each one after that has a lesser priority. If you want to give a recently added Series Link (or Wishlist) priority over an older, higher one or generally change the order to make sure your favourite content is always at the top and doesn't get ignored in favour of lesser priority ones when more than three things are set to record:

HOME button, then My Shows & Recordings -> Manage My Series Links. Number 1 on that list is highest priority, with each show below that having lower priority the further down the list it is.

When reorganising this list, be prepared to see the Please Wait... prompt for several seconds (or minutes, if your Series Link list has lots of items) while TiVo makes changes to the scheduler.

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I know how tivo works re priorities. And emboldened above is the long processing time I was refering to.

By using zero padding, I rarely have to go into manage my series links to deal with the priority system tivo imposes on us ;)

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Ah... all depends on the style in which you use the box, I suppose. It's good that it can be used in various different ways. ;)

I wonder if the updated YouTube app is broken, as some have said. If it is functional I hope it's been reworked a bit, because on the current non-Google one if you press Info while watching a video there's a blue menu that's clearly a relic from the original TiVo Premiere HD that was missed while it was being reskinned in red for VM. :D

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15.2 software updated this morning.
Seems much quicker.
PIP now works on Sky, and I've got rid of the dreaded PIN

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I did all that last week Z but all other formats are unsupported on my Evesham TV. Shame as Sky HD and my WD Live Hub media player were fine in HD.

Thank you for trying to help anyway,much appreciated.

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Damn man, that is a shame.

It's probably a silly question, but are you using a fairly recent HDMI cable of version 1.3b or above? I'm no expert when it comes to the HDMI standard, but I have read that in order to ensure maximum compatibility you need a version 1.3b cable or above, and obviously for the devices at either end to have similar versions of the HDMI port.

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Yeah,tried 3 different HDMI leads and Virgin tried 6 different Tivo boxes before they could find one that would even output at 576p :(

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Update received in Plymouth this morning. First impressions very good! Box definitely much snapier and so nice to turn off the dreaded pin for recordings. Having the Sky channels in the mini guide window improves the user experience too. Can't say I'm really noticing much difference in SD picture quality though, minor improvement maybe.

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Yes its certainly much smoother and quicker after last nights update.

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Update here this morning newcastle staffs very nice and smooth nice to see the tivo guy now in all menus would have been a nice touch to see him in the banner,all 3 boxes updated okay the 2 500 gig boxes are working great no red rings well done vm and tivo.Will give multiroom streaming a try at a later date have look in the menu and it shows all three boxes.Now bring on spotify,one other thing is someone said on recorded film in my shows the date no longer appears on mine they still do.

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can the cable BB modem instead tivo be upgraded from 10mb to a higher speed, just like a norm VM cable BB modem?

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Tivo's internal modem could be increased to 20meg.

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thats ggod then so at least its not hardware limited and fimeware can increase it, thats something else that makes the box far better than sky+hd, even if sky made a box simular to tivo they wouldbe tne able to increase internal modem's speed

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last night i wanted to record a program but it had already started and it also nearly ended so thought darn but then i saw it was buffered in the turner so hit record with only about 3 mins of the prog left and started watching it later on, i forgot about that feature and so far is in my fav top 5 features for the box

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Wow, where did you hear about that? It's a good thing to have available to VM if they ever need a speed bump. :)

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hopefully one of the VM staff can confirm if this is defo 100% correct

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I'm not staff but I believe passingbat is 100% correct I remember that being confirmed on here.

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thats good then so thats another thing tivo willl ahve over sky box if they make a new one

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I can confirm it can handle 20meg

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do you reckon it would be able to handle 50meg or even 100meg?

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Why would it need to ? HD video even at 1080p streamed from a service such as Netflix doesn't require that sort of Bandwith.

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im not saying it would need to but just wondering if it could handle it, you never thou, technology these days moves od so quick and so does streaming

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but so does video compression, so you need less bandwidth not more. A few years ago it wouldn't have been possible to get decent HD on a 10meg connection.

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true point buts its just good that the tivis modem can be updated

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The modem does not need to be upgraded, it can do 20 meg it's the config file that it uses it that limits to 10. But as has been stated 10 on a managed network will be more then ample.

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i not saying it does im saying its good that it can be if it is needed

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From what I know both TiVo types are identical apart from hard drive size and have the same modem. This is a DOCSIS2 modem not a DOCSIS3 like Super Hub or VMNG300, so from the way VM arrange their network it should be capable of the same speeds as the old small blue/black Ambit 250/255/256 modems which is 20Mb maximum. Can't see a need for the speed to be doubled in the foreseeable future but who knows what VM have in store?

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True, you can stream 1080p content with 5.1 surround sound now on sub-10Mb connections from Xbox Live, so while 20Mb would be nice, I can't see much need for it....yet.

And on the subject of streaming, my new blog may be of interest:
http://uktvstreamingservices.blogspot.com/

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I take it that at the moment like all HD content it is still compressed as Mpeg2 on all VM boxes including TiVo? With Mpeg4 compression in the potential future TiVo would need even less bandwidth!

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Yup, all VM streams whether SD or HD are MPEG-2, to ensure compatibility with the half a dozen different STBs on their TV network. Can't see this changing for at least a couple more years.

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is Mpeg 2 better than Mpeg 4

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I suppose that VM only actively support 4 box types at present, the 2 new cisco boxes including TiVo and fault replacement for both Samsung V+ and it's SD counterpart! For all other boxes once faulty are decommissioned!

In the future I wonder if VM could transmit in 2 different video compressions simultaneously, mpeg4 to newer boxes and Mpeg2 to the older ones?

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No difference really , Mpeg4 is more compressed. A TIVO 1TB box recording HD can do 120 hrs as opposed to a Sky+HD 1TB box which can record 240hrs HD so there are advantages for the customer also.

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That would take up a lot of bandwith, the plan is to move everyone over to TiVo and that is MPEG4.

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No, it's an older standard. Good for the time, but deprecated now.

MPEG-4 offers superior compression for the same bitrates, and that compression has variable macroblocking (MPEG-2 is fixed at 8x8) so any aliasing will be much less obvious due to this and some other techniques such as CABLC which increase efficiency.

For quick reference, MPEG-2 is used on DVDs and MPEG-4 on Blu-ray. Basically if all Blu-ray content were encoded in MPEG-2 at roughly the same quality settings the files would be roughly four or five times the size!

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There are actually some Blu Rays that were encoded in Mpeg2 believe it or not.