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NTLVictim

16-06-2008 22:58

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by serial (Post 34576962)

http://www.aboutus.org/CandlesTicker.com

Contact: Ali Ulvi Hicbikmaz

LOL

Ali? You're a pezevenk.

And no I'm not Turkish, but I used to work with a few.:D

bluecar1

16-06-2008 23:12

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by NTLVictim (Post 34577016)

Ali? You're a pezevenk.

And no I'm not Turkish, but I used to work with a few.:D

that was quite tame

http://www.babylon.com/definition/PEZEVENK/English

NTLVictim

16-06-2008 23:16

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by bluecar1 (Post 34577040)

that was quite tame

http://www.babylon.com/definition/PEZEVENK/English

Bearing in mind what I could have said in Turkish, yes.:cool:

ImaJack

16-06-2008 23:20

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by oblonsky (Post 34576814)

As a demonstration of support, can anyone who has been with this since the start but been quiet recently respond to this thread with these simple words:

I'M STILL HERE

O.

Yep, I'm still here, I read every post although the technical details will forever elude me, my skills are not those of IT.

I'm still as choked off about this issue as I was when it first came to my notice in March, and even now I'm astonished and extremely p****d off that BT, my ISP (sorry my ex ISP:)) are still going ahead with it.

I still offer my support to those opposing Phorm/webwise and BTs involvement in it.

icsys

16-06-2008 23:50

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Anyone heard any news of the long awaited PIA?

I believe it was expected to be phinished last Friday. Has it phinally been handed to Phorm yet?
I expect if it turns out to be unphavourable that it will be philed away.

Seriously though, the longer it takes the less relevant it is likely to be.

vicz	16-06-2008 23:55

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Privacy_Matters (Post 34577015)

Ok, I get a message from my virus software that somone is trying to connect remotely to my PC.

So I check the logs....

I have had over 200 attempts to access my PC, all randomly selected from about 20 IPS*, all trying different ports.

My logs contain a total of 30 attempts IN A YEAR, then over 200 in 4 hours!!! WTF?

Anyone else record anything strange today?

* I've checked the IPs on Ripe, and there are common factors: 1/. about half are within VMs Network 2/. a quarter from Germany 3/. a quarter from the Ukraine

Just a few port scans over the last few days. (On VM). You must be popular! ;)

Have you checked here https://isc.incidents.org/trends.html to see what's hot at the moment?

wecpc

17-06-2008 00:01

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Privacy_Matters (Post 34577015)

I had the same prolem a couple of weeks ago, when my router detected loads of 'port scans' on all different ports which where all blocked. So I subsequently re-booted my router to get a different IP address and so far no more problems.
They all originated from Shanghai China and was the same IP in all cases.

Colin

warescouse

17-06-2008 00:08

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by oblonsky (Post 34576960)

Ask any marketeer what their understanding of "opt-in" is.

"opt-in" means the tick box says "tick here if you want to receive junk mail"

"opt-out" means the tick box says "tick here if you do not want to receive junk mail"

Now I suspect that someone in BT/Phorm has interpreted the ICOs recommendation to mean that users can be plagued by these interstitian *demands* for consent whenever they delete their cookies so long as the screen says

"Join webwise today, it's fun, free and makes the world a better place, tick here if you agree".

Clicking cancel will opt you out and BT/Phorm hope this satisfies the lawyers.

As a technologist and protocols expert I have to seriously disagree. Opt-in to my mind means a clean connection until I take the action of visiting the BT website and chosing to turn Phorm on.

BT and Phorm to my mind know this is a non-started and are looking, I would imagine, for a compromise which allows them to prove to the ICO that it is "opt-in" whilst actually getting enough customers to make it worth while, i.e. coming up with a fudged definition of opt-in.

Totally correct but in a nutshell.

If the subscriber chooses nothing, and clicks OK what happens next determines whether it is optout or an optin system IMHO.

If the user does nothing apart from clicking OK and he is still opted out (the status Quo). It is an opt in system.
If the user does nothing and clicks OK and he is automatically opted in.
It must be an Opt Out system.

Dephormation

17-06-2008 00:15

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

More rumour, this received from a trusted friend...

"BT recently asked all their staff from across the whole group (not just BT retail) what they thought of Phorm/Webwise. Not a single person from within BT responded with a positive comment."

Anyone with friends in BT able to confirm?

Florence

17-06-2008 00:20

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34577087)

Can't say I would be suprised after all thjey will also nmot want the stalking of Phorm on their connection..

I have heard a rumour that it is 90% certain VM will not go Phorm Told my informer if they do now roll out phorm then they are in deep brown stuff. :D

But he agrees we can't ease up on the campaign have to keep pushing or they will retry to stealth it in...

mark777

17-06-2008 00:30

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34577087)

I would love to believe it, but I can't see BT leaving themselves hostage to fortune by asking the question in the first place.

Similarly, I can't see them allowing the result to be known if it was asked.

icsys

17-06-2008 00:31

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Am I understanding right... that you heard a rumour that there is a 90% chance VM will not roll out webwise, and you told your informer if they roll it out they will be in deep brown stuff?

I must admit, there was talk a while back that VM were going to send letters to all customers about webwise. To date I have received nothing!

Wildie

17-06-2008 00:35

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Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34577087)

heard from a vm worker they not happy about it, them and the ones they work with in the support call centre.

Dephormation

17-06-2008 00:41

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/08/25.png

Yes, its a bit mischievous. But I thought it was funny. :) Goodnight for now.

mark777

17-06-2008 00:44

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 34577105)

heard from a vm worker they not happy about it, them and the ones they work with in the support call centre.

I remind them every week or so that if they turn phorm on, it will get the blame for everything that goes wrong.

It's all coming their way.

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