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Maggy 02-07-2020 00:14
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041944)
Ah, well, at least tin foil futures should be a good investment...
:rofl:

RichardCoulter 03-07-2020 00:57
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There was an article on Radio 4 today that said that increasing BAME people amongst the workforce was not enough.

An organisation called 'Voice For Change' said that BAME people are under represented in the charity sector and that there are too many instsnces of people being appointed that were physically diverse BAME people, but mentally they were the same as their white counterparts and that this results in racism.

nomadking 03-07-2020 01:07
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36042083)
There was an article on Radio 4 today that said that increasing BAME people amongst the workforce was not enough.

An organisation called 'Voice For Change' said that BAME people are under represented in the charity sector and that there are too many instsnces of people being appointed that were physically diverse BAME people, but mentally they were the same as their white counterparts and that this results in racism.
:confused: "Voice For Change" appears to be a domestic violence organisation.


No shortage of BAME-only charities.

RichardCoulter 03-07-2020 03:39
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042084)
:confused: "Voice For Change" appears to be a domestic violence organisation.


No shortage of BAME-only charities.
I assume that they were talking about charities as a whole as opposed to their own.

I think that what they mean is that it's not enough to appoint black employees, but that these BAME employees have to have a black mentality/outlook as opposed to thinking the way that white people do.

I've heard black people describe such people as a cocunut or a bounty (after the chocolate bar) ie Brown on the outside, but white on the inside.

This could be viewed as attempting to marginalise the views of people that aren't the same as their own to suit their own agenda, or do they have a point?

Paul 03-07-2020 03:44
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I read an article the other day that said BAME dont like the tag BAME ...

I honestly think they just look for ways to be "offended" to get whatever they want.

nomadking 03-07-2020 04:17
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Heaven forbid, that any "mentality" is devoid of all racial considerations.:rolleyes:
The term "BAME" is racist and divisive. It engenders a "us v them" approach. Silly to regard "BAME" as a single homogeneous group.


Classic example of how much of a load of baloney it all is.
Link
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Countryfile has sparked a debate on racism with a story suggesting people from the BAME community feel unwelcome in the countryside.
Last night, the BBC show aired a piece fronted by Dwayne Fields in which he investigated a report by Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
The report, published last year, focused on how people from black, Asian or minority ethnic communities as well as white people felt the UK's national parks are very much a "white environment".
Completely ridiculous.

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 10:31
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042090)
Heaven forbid, that any "mentality" is devoid of all racial considerations.:rolleyes:
The term "BAME" is racist and divisive. It engenders a "us v them" approach. Silly to regard "BAME" as a single homogeneous group.


Classic example of how much of a load of baloney it all is.
Link Completely ridiculous.
Absolutely spot on.

BAME: Black Asian Minority Ethnic. For that read "Black". The prejudice against black people by certain institutions (like the police and such as it may be) needs to be dealt with alongside what I fear will be futile work to "level up" - another convenient phrase that will lead to nothing.

This is a problem steeped in psychology. How do you break up sink estates and the tendency for racial groups to ghettoise? The Asians do this and seem to do reasonably well and don't seem to react to a US policeman's knee on a person's neck. Likewise a significant rump of Jewish people in various cities. So it's the black dominated areas that are problematic and why is this? It's not institutional racism because they tend to be in areas where the politics is in their favour.

"BAME" is one of those artificial woke words; I think I dislike woke-ism more than the lycra brigade when they are out on the roads. Woke-ism is shallow and doesn't get to grips with any issue other than to winge and point fingers.

Damien 03-07-2020 11:06
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042106)
"BAME" is one of those artificial woke words; I think I dislike woke-ism more than the lycra brigade when they are out on the roads. Woke-ism is shallow and doesn't get to grips with any issue other than to winge and point fingers.
BAME is just a shorthand to refer to a minority ethnic group. I.E Non-white. It can be used in many different contexts from 'woke' to 'non-woke'.

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 11:26
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BAME is just a shorthand to refer to a minority ethnic group. I.E Non-white. It can be used in many different contexts from 'woke' to 'non-woke'.
It's an artificial construct designed to rope in groups who are not involved by associating them with the "B" aspect

tweetiepooh 03-07-2020 11:41
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Twitter drops terms master, slave and blacklist.

This is getting a little daft, are they also going to drop whitelist as well, what do you replace these with?

Etymology
Blacklist
Origins of the term The English dramatist Philip Massinger used the phrase "black list" in his 1639 tragedy The Unnatural Combat. After the Restoration of the English monarchy brought Charles II of England to the throne in 1660, a list of regicides named those to be punished for the execution of his father.
Whitelist is more recent and is just the opposite of blacklist.
The terms were not coined with any idea of race.

Could use green/red list? But does term "red" in the negative have implications for other groups and the positive use of green an bias towards non-industrial?

Carth 03-07-2020 11:48
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It's all getting boring to me, BAME, LBGT, Rainbow are now just 'triggers' that generally make me sigh and skip the article.

Not enough women in sport, TV, the boardroom,
Not enough black people in sport, the police, TV, films, business
Not enough 'gender confused' people everywhere

Not enough aliens in Area 51
Not enough dogs in catteries
Not enough pubs and strip joints in Saudi Arabia
Not enough Oxygen in deep space
Not enough wheels on a unicycle

Not enough alcohol to numb myself

papa smurf 03-07-2020 12:03
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36042142)
It's all getting boring to me, BAME, LBGT, Rainbow are now just 'triggers' that generally make me sigh and skip the article.

Not enough women in sport, TV, the boardroom,
Not enough black people in sport, the police, TV, films, business
Not enough 'gender confused' people everywhere

Not enough aliens in Area 51
Not enough dogs in catteries
Not enough pubs and strip joints in Saudi Arabia
Not enough Oxygen in deep space
Not enough wheels on a unicycle

Not enough alcohol to numb myself
Too many woke folk
too many offence junkies
too many people waving bits of cardboard around

heero_yuy 03-07-2020 12:38
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nomadking 03-07-2020 13:13
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But strangely enough, not too many black footballers(soccer and American), too many black basketball player, etc.


BBC becoming more like the BET channel.

Pierre 03-07-2020 13:43
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042154)
But strangely enough, not too many black footballers(soccer and American), too many black basketball player, etc.


BBC becoming more like the BET channel.
Not enough white 100m sprinters - I'm campaigning for that.

Also not enough Black swimmers - I'm also campaigning for that.

I'm also campaigning for:

Not enough female Bricklayers

Not enough female refuse waste collectors

not enough male pre-school nursery carers

also there is a complete lack of male representation within womens tennis and vice versa, wholly unacceptable. they allow it in athletics.


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