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Sephiroth 11-08-2018 14:23
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Rep should have read “Dmitry in Dr. Strangelove!”

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Why hasn’t OB been on to tell us that May’s approach is making the EU 27 rethink (yesterday’s Torygraph)?

Pierre 11-08-2018 20:33
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What name did you Google? I get loads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Dm...hrome&ie=UTF-8


There is the link to his page at the organisation for which he now works (his bio says he worked for the Australians at the WTO): https://www.ictsd.org/about-us/dmitry-grozoubinski

An Economist article in which he is quoted: https://www.economist.com/finance-an...a-looks-likely

Also he seems to be all across a number of Australian Government websites with a gov e-mail address.

Also LinkedIn, Twitter, other random stuff....
Fair enough, obviously a cock up at my end. Which doesn't sound right once you've typed it.

heero_yuy 13-08-2018 13:42
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Quote:
Quote from The Sun:


Brussels fears the EU will be worse off after no deal than Britain, it has been revealed.

Officials working at the European Commission have said that getting it ready in time and legally watertight was "not easily done" because of the make up of the EU, and its own elections.

The EU would have to take emergency measures to make sure that they were ready in the case that no deal was reached - to keep trade routes open and planes flying.

But the European Parliamentary elections are set to take place just weeks after Brexit - meaning officials won't be around to deal with any issues that could arise if there's no transition period.

"It will be very difficult to co-operate,” a senior EU official told The Times. "In most areas where we will need to act there will be national vetoes in play. All countries will be able to block."

As a big bloc of states too, the EU can't make decisions quickly on behalf of other countries - which Britain would be able to do.
Original Times story on red link. (Paywall)

ianch99 14-08-2018 15:36
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Another article, by Gavin Eslar, worth the read:

Veteran BBC journalist GAVIN ESLER delivers an excoriating blast against broadcasters, Leavers and the lies that have left the country a more divided, poorer place.

You may, and some will, disagree with his views on Brexit but please listen to some of the points he is making about the people who have orchestrated this whole campaign.

heero_yuy 15-08-2018 09:48
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330,000 more Brits are in work than a year ago – as record numbers of EU nationals quit and go back home.

Official figures yesterday revealed another surge in employment and unemployment at a 43-year low despite Brexit fears.

The number of people in work rose by 42,000 in the three months to June to 32.39 million – 313,000 higher than last summer.

And the Office for National Statistics showed the ‘net’ rise was almost exclusively accounted for by UK nationals getting a job.

The number of UK nationals in work has jumped by 332,000 since June 2017 to almost 28.8 million.
At the same time number of EU nationals in work has fallen by 86,000 in the past year – the largest fall since current records began in 1997 – as Poles and most other eastern Europeans head home.
British jobs for British people. What's there not to like?

Now what was it that the architects of Project Fear predicted, Oh yes: "Vote for Brexit and you’d start a recession the likes of which you couldn’t imagine, they said.":dozey:

Mr K 15-08-2018 10:12
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British jobs for British people. What's there not to like?

Now what was it that the architects of Project Fear predicted, Oh yes: "Vote for Brexit and you’d start a recession the likes of which you couldn’t imagine, they said.":dozey:
When you need care in your old age, those hordes of industrious British workers will be queuing up.... ( If they exist, they'll probably be nearly the same age as you ! ) And if the Polish brickies go home they'll be no new houses that we desperately need - we don't have enough UK labourers, just benefit claimants.....

heero_yuy 15-08-2018 10:46
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FFS stop being so bloody negative!

Maggy 15-08-2018 11:26
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Let us be civil

jonbxx 15-08-2018 12:15
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British jobs for British people. What's there not to like?

Now what was it that the architects of Project Fear predicted, Oh yes: "Vote for Brexit and you’d start a recession the likes of which you couldn’t imagine, they said.":dozey:
It's better than the Sun reported to be honest. Looking at the ONS figures;

UK Nationals 332,000 up
EU Nationals 86,000 down
Non-EU nationals 74,000 up

That's a net rise of 320,000 jobs. Don't know why the Sun didn't mention those non-EU national jobs there..

Interestingly, wage growth was softer than expected. Market economics suggest with higher employment, wages should grow but the growth after inflation went from 0.2% to 0.1%

Mick 15-08-2018 12:15
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When you need care in your old age, those hordes of industrious British workers will be queuing up.... ( If they exist, they'll probably be nearly the same age as you ! ) And if the Polish brickies go home they'll be no new houses that we desperately need - we don't have enough UK labourers, just benefit claimants.....
We wouldn't need "Polish Brickies" to build houses if there wasn't hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming to our tiny island every year.

So your ideology to solve the UK Benefit claimant issue, is to flood the UK workforce with unlimited immigrants, which in turn causes wage stagnation, low wages, creates a massive housing shortage, causes rises in house prices, which in turn has caused Homelessness.

Homelessness in the UK is increasing every year with thousands sleeping rough in cities and towns, but we seem to want to give Romanians/Polish/Bulgarians, and my issue is, there are many, who don't ever seem to want to work, they then breed and produce anchor babies/children with a nice cushy sum every month and a roof over their heads. Oh and they seem to have this habit of wanting to fight each other, late on at night for some reason. I have absolutely no issue with anybody foreign, coming here to better their lives, but as long as they come that is of benefit to our country and provide a service.

jonbxx 15-08-2018 12:38
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Yet somehow, the employment rate of EU nationals is higher than UK nationals and the unemployment rate is lower (the difference being 'economically inactive') See ONS report here - https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...rmarket/latest

ianch99 15-08-2018 14:59
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It's better than the Sun reported to be honest. Looking at the ONS figures;

UK Nationals 332,000 up
EU Nationals 86,000 down
Non-EU nationals 74,000 up

That's a net rise of 320,000 jobs. Don't know why the Sun didn't mention those non-EU national jobs there..

Interestingly, wage growth was softer than expected. Market economics suggest with higher employment, wages should grow but the growth after inflation went from 0.2% to 0.1%
But no-one has ever focused on this fact as it is just very inconvenient to the Brexit debate. Just look at the chart:

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As you say, where are the headlines complaining about non-EU migrant taking our jobs, taking our housing and clogging up GP's ?

Bircho 15-08-2018 21:36
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Got to say. Whoever came up with this is a genius
https://twitter.com/SarahDuggers/sta...122659328?s=19

Chloé Palmas 16-08-2018 00:40
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We wouldn't need "Polish Brickies" to build houses if there wasn't hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming to our tiny island every year.
That's an interesting theory ; sort of a "we need the Polish to build the houses so that the houses can be lived in, by the Polish"...

Kind of like with Trump:

"We're gonna kick out dim Mexicans!"

Q: How?

Trump:

"By building a wall!"

Q: Who is going to build the wall?

Trump:

"The illegal labor force of Mexicans!"

Illegals building a wall, to keep out the illegals...

ianch99 16-08-2018 12:23
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As Bircho has said, Genius!


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