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Read the link in this post from above.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35031363-post880.html

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One would also hope that the system can detect two boxes or cards with the same id. active at the same time. In terms of a purely computer network, two MAC or IP addresses cannot exist simultaneously on the same network. Even pre-IPTV, there must be a parallel to this in a cable TV environment. Of course, detection of duplicate or spoofed ids. isn't possible with unicast satellite systems. Return-path strikes again!
Ah but now that Nagra3 is available on the VM network, it gives more motive, means and opportunity to those who wish to try cracking it!

Some additional points as I do my morning catch-up:-

Posts are now alternately referring to Customer Service and Card Sharing as CS. :confused:

I think the number of people who innocently buy modified cable boxes is very small or even insignificant. People who know little about technology tend to buy from a reliable source, even if it means paying full retail price. The advent of auction sites such as eBay has, perhaps, caused some people to 'buy the wrong thing' but, in the case of cable boxes, these are the ones who will innocently call VM and find out their mistake quite quickly. Yes, target the manufacturers, customisers and sellers of these 'after market' boxes (I like that! ;)) but almost all of the users of these boxes are guilty of, at a minimum, buying something from a suspect source that would indicate to them that it was stolen or in some way illegal or dubious at best.

VM have only just completed the merger of their disparate cable franchises and rolled out NGTV to all. This is the first real opportunity that they have had as a single entity to roll out Nagra3 across the whole network. Doing it any earlier as NTL and Telewest separately would have been more complex and more costly.

Nagravision Merlin is also known as Nagravision 3 - Now that's what I call magic!

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With a cardsharing client you don't need to spoof anything though. You have one "legitimate" reciever that runs the cardsharing server which decrypts the ECMs, and the rest aren't visible on the network as they don't talk back.

Satellite isn't unicast, which is a directed signal from one point to another, it's broadcast. Cable is STILL broadcast, despite the physical network and even under a full IPTV system will still be broadcast as the cable coming into your home is part of a shared branch in a tree network. That means that there will always be something on the wire that an STB can gain access to, even if it's just the same channels your neighbours are watching after a switch to SDV.

Not really, the UK market is relatively small compared to the European one which already uses N3. It doesn't even need to be cracked, as long as they cardsharing works then they're not going to care if it's cracked or not. Infact, people will be happy it's not because if it's cracked they profit from the upfront STB cost only, with cardsharing they can charge recurring subscriptions for access to the cardsharing server, so there's potentially more money to be made from it.

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May as well sign up with VM then - at least when the service fails you know who to moan at ;)

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With CS it`s usually 1/4 of the price (well on Satelite it is) which will probably sway things.

---------- Post added at 11:20 ---------- Previous post was at 11:19 ----------

I already have.

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No such Order shall be made unless it appears to Her Majesty that provision has been or will be made under the laws of that country or territory giving adequate protection to persons making charges for programmes included in broadcasting or cable programme services provided from the United Kingdom or, as the case may be, for encrypted transmissions sent from the United Kingdom."

So yes an order would need to be given..

Seems like you like the last say no matter how you/things look;)

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It was another poster who posted that link not me.;)

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That's from an entirely different section though?

The "order" that's on about is:

Which means that it's possible for sections 297 and 298 to apply to foreign broadcasters.

It has NOTHING to do with seizure of equipment.

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So please explain post #888 ?

Was you not trying to tell me a court warrant wasn`t needed as thats how I read it??

Instead of trying to out word/do me please read what you have written...:dunce:

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Post 888 is by Felim Doyle, not me;)

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I think he meant this quote which you have to admit was quite a broad comment to make without clarification

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Just to further clarify the legality on seizing anything, it's stated it's the same as seizing copyright material in section 100.

This reads:

That clearly states that anything that they'll be entitled to get a court order for the delivery up of, can be seized by the rights holder, OR A PERSON AUTHORISED BY HIM. Technicians would easily fall in to that category.

The first hurdle we get to is "subject to any decision of the court under section 114." does that mean you need a court order? Nope, it means that any seizure is subject to a later decision by the court under section 114.

Then we see the only qualifier on when a seizure can be made: "Before anything is seized under this section notice of the time and place of the proposed seizure must be given to a local police station." So, all you have to do is give notice to a local police station. You could easily pop out to the van, give the local station a call, and give notice that you'll be seizing the STB. That seizure is then subject to a decision by the court, where they can order the STB destroyed or if they feel it's not infringing returned to the owner.

So in short, you do not need a court order to make the seizure.

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I go with The Don's answer.

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I think though paragraph 3 would stop the seizure as a house is not public access, the rule in general was brought in for seizure of materials at places like markets, car-boot sales...etc.. Where the public has access to, a house is private.. (same as a business if the person in question also owns the business)

Masque I don't understand why you keep trying to squirm your way out of the comment which in essence is an honest mistake..

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Nope, because it doesn't state you can ONLY seize where the public has access. If you couldn't carry out the right in a domestic property it would be exempted in the same way as business premises are in that section.

Except a market or car boot qualify as "a permanent or regular place of business of his" and is actually exempted by that section so you can't seize there!

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I have seen account notes where a box has been taken from the property and the account holder has ordered new boxes with much more in depth notes regarding what actually happened, of course I cannot say much more about that due to DPA.

I think I got slightly confused above with all the variations and comments.:dunce: