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For me the comparison was more about Government time and priority, ratehr than a spurious, we shouldn't do anything about smoking because vehicle emissions are very bad too. |
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The weird thing was I wasn't even in the car :disturbd: |
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a) The majority of the population are NON smokers. b) My non-smoking does not affect you in the slightest. It is the smoke itself causing the offense, therefore it should be the smoke that moves. c) A non-smoking outhouse does not protect the bar staff. |
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Even so, maybe vehicle emissions should be a higher priority, but as vehicle emissions are a direct result of economic activity (so you can't simply ban, or even heavily restrict, vehicles), and are a social necessity for vast numbers of people, the issue is more complex and requires bigger, strategic solutions. Many such solutions are already in place - catalytic converters, low-sulphur fuel, lead-free fuel, emissions testing in the MOT, and so on - and many are in development or are encouraged by the Government through tax, such as LPG, fuel cell and similar technology. This smoking ban, on the other hand, has been identified as a very straightforward way of tackling a serious, but identifiable and containable problem. And as I have said countless times now, the existence of other problems does not in any way mean we should do nothing about smoking - especially if smoking is easier to target. |
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2. You have the choice of not entering a smoking establishment, no one is forcing you 4. Where's 3? 5. Not working in a smoking establishment protects anyone who doesn't want to work there due to the smoke. 6. Your wishing to deny me the choice to enter a smoking establishment and eat affects me. 3. Ahh here it is |
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Even so, I reject the suggestion that just because we are talking about smoking now, it means that no-one has done anything about vehicle emissions. Without wishing to repeat myself, I said in a previous post above, the emissions problem is vastly greater and more complex. Nevertheless, a lot has been done. Nobody is saying we should do nothing about emissions until we understand the problem better. What I said earlier was that I will not accept the casual abuse of statistics that has been posted, comparing air pollution death with passive smoking death among bar staff, when we have no background or context within which we might understand if the comparison is even valid. |
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Seriously, you're quite right. Smoking is a smelly habbit, especially for non-smokers. :angel: __________________ Quote:
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I don't disagree that the ban would prevent people from having a smoke in the street, but what I'm saying (and have been all along) is that the ban takes away the fundamental choice that you and I and everyone else, as adults, currently have over what we are allowed to do and when and where. I believe vehemently in adults being given the option to choose what is right for them, this applies to smoking cigarettes in a pub, drinking alcohol, having an abortion, believing in God, standing for parliament as a member of the BNP, etc... etc... etc... However, I'm aware that some people feel that it is acceptable to have your rights removed like this. Personally, I'd like to have the choice to smoke outside or inside the pub... or even not to smoke at all if I chose to. I'm getting a sense of dÃÃâ€*’©ja vu :spin: |
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Ok, smoking is easy to target and I'm all for segregated smoking areas with adequate ventillation to address the concerns of bar staff but I get the feeling that the hype over the smoking ban in pubs is more to do with the fact that non-smokers just don't like it. How much would it really affect non-smokers if there were separate smoking areas in pubs, unless you're there more than you really should be. ;) |
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